# Pre-op Rapunzel **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [June 29, 2008, 4:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pre-op-rapunzel/14594 "2008-06-29T04:55:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Warren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/97f17d/32.png) [@Warren](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Warren)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2008, 4:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pre-op-rapunzel/14594/1 "2008-06-29T04:55:40Z")
First I want to point out that this is all Tisha’s fault. Encouraging me to experiment with new pheromones is like throwing gasoline on an out-of-control blaze. I mixed more new things together here than I probably should have, but I got some interesting results. It was my intention to experiment with TAH. I have learned what to expect from TAL, but I have never noticed anything from the small amounts of TAH I have used. From my 2.5mcg bottles I used three sprays of TAL and twice as much (six sprays, 15mcg) TAH. I used three drops of A314, which is typical for me and it balances the female pheromones. I also used small amounts of other pheromones which are typical of my basic phero signature: 2 sprays Instant Honesty, Scent of Eros and one spray [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/). This would have been a good test of the female pheromones TAL and TAH, over-balanced to the TAH side against the background of what I typically wear. Then I realized my first stop was going to be in the rich, caucasian part of town so I mindlessly grabbed the P93 and sprayed myself with 10mcg of Blond Magic, which I’ve only just begun to experiment with. Well, I was getting frustrated looking for the shirt was planning to wear, finding which pair of pants I left my cell phone in, all that. You know… I’m ready to go, but I haven’t quite managed to get myself dressed. So I (again, mindlessly) grabbed the TAK I have been experimenting with as a calming agent and blasted myself with 15mcg of TAK – as though it would wear off in fifteen or twenty minutes when I walked out the door (which, of course, it didn’t). So I’m cursing myself a few minutes later as I walk down the street toward the subway. I feel really weird. Men never look at me and the women that do look my way have that sense of bewilderment that denec mentioned with TAH. I am getting very self-conscious and the TAK is making me feel very dissociated from my own body, awkward, clumbsy, strangely removed from the here and now. Fortunately I discovered that 50 ml of vitamin V is a partial antidote for this mixture. I generally carry a miniture of vodka in my jacket. Life is full of emergencies. By the time I get to the bank I am a little more comfortable with feeling weird. The teller is a young caucasion woman who (unlike people on the street) recognizes me. She is just beaming. Seeing me is better than Christmas! Wow. I can’t remember the last time someone looked so glad to see me. And I don’t know this woman other than as a teller who has taken deposits of money from me on two or three occasions. So lets review. I am hopped up on cuddly female pheromones. I have the A314 respect of an authority figure. I guess that makes me a princess. The P93 makes that a _golden haired_ princess. And I’m a man so all this princessness is trapped in a male body. Plus the TAK has lifted me out of reality and somehow put me above what is going on with the rest of the world. There is only one name for this mix: Pre-op Repunzel. When A.P.R. decides to introduce this as a consumer product, I think they should seek out a marketing agreement with Stolichnaya. Buy a liter of Stoli, get a bottle of Pre-op Rapunzel. Order Pre-op Rapundel, get a complementary bottle of vodka. I mean seriously, a man has to be pretty GD secure in his sexuality to intentionally go out into the world as Pre-op Rapunzel, stone cold sober! So leaving the bank I decided I might be happier with my own kind. Where am I gonna find cutsy female creatures with an inflated sense of their respectability and importance, who, nevertheless, manage to perfom on a level above the rest of us? Stupid query, no? The only real question is: Which nudie bar do I go to? The waitress was an attractive caucasian girl who I’d never seen before. I got an awful lot of prolonged eye contact and smiling, glowing attention. The first beer I ordered, she had inordinate difficulty making change. I think her problem was that she was trying to look at me while she was counting money. I got more attention from the blond dancers where usually I would get less. The P93 really highlighted the blonds and caucasians in general. I was very skeptical about the Caucasian Magic thing, but today’s experiences made a believer outta me. I definitely had a stronger empathic connection with caucasians, whereas usually I have a stronger empathic connection with asians. I am caucasian. My children are half Chinese. If I take Pre-op Rapunzel to the strip club again, I think I’ll wait until just before I arrive to add most of the mix, which can be uncomfortable in some real world situations. I’ll increase the TAH slightly and the P93 as well. And I’ll cut the TAK at least in half. Tater says bisexual women (e.g. strippers?) like TAH and TAL but not TAA. This was part of the inspiration for what became the Pre-op Repunzel mix. I have noticed recently when I wear TAA to the strip club it is a less enjoyable experience. At first this is counterintuitive as TAA can be very good in some social mixes. The best I can figuer the TAA qualities of decreased personal distance, balanced, centered, here & now are just too real and interfere with the fantasy. TAA is too kinesthetic and strip clubs are visual. It might be different for a lap dance place. I have not tried TAA and TAK together. I will soon. They strike me as having opposite effects. TAK is dissociative. TAA centers one in the physical self, in my experience. If TAA is bad for kinky women and strip clubs, perhaps a bit of TAK is good? I think I got too much today. That may be what gave the waitress problems making change. (Some of 'em are just dumb, but this one was distracted, not stupid.) ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2008, 11:10am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pre-op-rapunzel/14594/2 "2008-06-29T11:10:01Z")
😮 Sure blame me, It not like I dragged you kicking and screaming into the world of [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) LOL 😛 Excellant report by the way, I really enjoyed it. I love when the men dabble in the pheromones that have been labled female. There could be a gem just waiting to be found there. > [@](#): > > So lets review. I am hopped up on cuddly female pheromones. I have the A314 respect of an authority figure. I guess that makes me a princess. The [P93](https://a314.com/product/p93/) makes that a _golden haired_ princess. And I’m a man so all this princessness is trapped in a male body. Plus the [TAK](https://pheromonelabs.com/) has lifted me out of reality and somehow put me above what is going on with the rest of the world. There is only one name for this mix: Pre-op Repunzel. > > When A.P.R. decides to introduce this as a consumer product, I think they should seek out a marketing agreement with Stolichnaya. Buy a liter of Stoli, get a bottle of Pre-op Rapunzel. Order Pre-op Rapundel, get a complementary bottle of vodka. I mean seriously, a man has to be pretty GD secure in his sexuality to intentionally go out into the world as Pre-op Rapunzel, stone cold sober! My take on it without actually being there to see it of course… It didnt make you a princess, it made you a prince. Women Ohhh and Ahhhh’ed over you while the men kept there distance as to not be outshined by the prince. Skip the TAK and add a little tiny bit of anone and then change the name to Pre Adonis mix. Reps 😃 Tisha ---
**Author:** ![denec](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/denec/32/1730_2.png) [@denec](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/denec)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2008, 11:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pre-op-rapunzel/14594/3 "2008-06-29T23:42:46Z")
Warren, very interesting report, I am glad you had much better results. I just started to test [P93](https://a314.com/product/p93/) myself as well this weekend, very interesting putative. I see you experienced this as well > [@](#): > > So I’m cursing myself a few minutes later as I walk down the street toward the subway. I feel really weird. Men never look at me and the women that do look my way have that sense of bewilderment that denec mentioned with [TAH](https://pheromonelabs.com/). What do you think this bewilderment is exactly? Were you able to make any sense of it? ---
**Author:** ![Daedelus76](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Daedelus76](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Daedelus76)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2008, 12:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pre-op-rapunzel/14594/4 "2008-06-30T00:13:21Z")
15mcg of TAK does that much to you? I notice nothing from it at that dose that would make me feel wierded out, it’s almost completely normal. I’ve even done some stuff that requires mental focus with TAK. Not really a big effect. I think the TAH or TAL was probably affecting you more. That sounds like a high dose. Probably 2.5-5mcg would be high enough to get a “social proof” effect. Too much I believe probably goes outside the norm and people tune it out or don’t react to it normally. ---
**Author:** ![Warren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/97f17d/32.png) [@Warren](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Warren)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2008, 4:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pre-op-rapunzel/14594/5 "2008-07-01T04:34:25Z")
Prince rather than princess? I cannot say I noticed any feminizing effects. But I cannot say with certainty whether they were there unbeknownst to me. I want to try this adding more TAH and see what happens. I kinda notice the TAL effects but haven’t been able to isolate anything that would seem to be specifically from the TAH. I would really like to know what the bewilderment is about. I really don’t have a clue. I haven’t had the opportunity to try to talk to one of the bewildered – they are usually giving me that look from some distance. I haven’t gotten it from anyone I know. If Tisha is right they may just be wondering why a prince is looking in the direction of some poor commoner. Or it could be something more humiliating! Where does the princeliness come from – if princeliness it is? Perhaps, instead of feminizing me, the [female pheromones](https://phera.com/) are like having a doting woman always in my presence. So I am a prince loved by his loyal subjects whereever he goes! I don’t know how -none would go with this. And I have never had any good experiences with -none to begin with. Gegogi and denec seemed to have the best results with -_ **r** _one and the gay hits with -none! I may try it eventually but I remain very sceptical. What does a pampered prince have to be aggressive about? Maybe I should try it with the posh pheromone? What was that, P91? I’ll order it when I order P86 and P88. When are they gonna be back in stock? I went for a massage this afternoon. I wore the Pre-op Rapunzel mix but swapped out the TAK and replaced it with three drops TAA oil. I believe TAA is good for massage because it is kinesthetic. With this mix I got bewildered looks from women, but fewer of them. Men were more willing to acknowledge me and smile. The female massage therapist was comfortable with me. I think this is a good mix for massage. Last time I used Instant Sexiness A and TAA, so this was similar and with similar results. If I look for a difference, perhaps the copulins in the Instant Sexiness were slightly arousing to me (which means for a professional massage TAL/TAH is the more comfortable choice). After trying the mix without TAK, I do think the effects I was attributing to 15mcg TAK above were indeed from the TAK. My previous bottle of TAK was only 2.5mcg per spray, so I have sensitized myself to smaller doses. Later I walked around in a very caucasion part of town (but plenty of noncaucasian “control subjects”). P93 is definitely Caucasian Magic. And I think maybe it works better with rich caucasians. I am more empathically in tune with caucasians and less empathically in tune with noncaucasians – less than with the caucasians and less than I would otherwise be without the P93. ---
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2008, 6:19am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pre-op-rapunzel/14594/6 "2008-07-01T06:19:42Z")
Great report Warren. I’m a fan of [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) and I often wonder how effective some TAH might with that. > [@Daedelus76](#): > > 15mcg of TAK does that much to you? I notice nothing from it at that dose that would make me feel wierded out, it’s almost completely normal. I’ve even done some stuff that requires mental focus with TAK. Not really a big effect. I think the TAH or TAL was probably affecting you more. That sounds like a high dose. Probably 2.5-5mcg would be high enough to get a “social proof” effect. Too much I believe probably goes outside the norm and people tune it out or don’t react to it normally. There’s never telling what sort of effects you might feel when you bring more than one pheromone into the mix. p79 is a great example of that, it really changes depending on what else you’re wearing. ---
**Author:** ![Warren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/97f17d/32.png) [@Warren](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Warren)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2008, 6:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pre-op-rapunzel/14594/7 "2008-07-01T18:02:36Z")
Phya I had IH in the mix with TAH. I didn’t notice anything unexpected, but then I haven’t really gained an understanding yet of what the TAH is doing. I’ve got P79 but haven’t tried it yet. Thanks for the heads-up. ---
**Author:** ![denec](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/denec/32/1730_2.png) [@denec](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/denec)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2008, 8:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pre-op-rapunzel/14594/8 "2008-07-01T20:20:00Z")
This is a great thread 🙂 I do love instant honesty as well. I do not have P79, but I wonder what about P74, [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/), P93, and some TAH ---
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2008, 9:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pre-op-rapunzel/14594/9 "2008-07-01T21:27:25Z")
Yea, I don’t mean it changes from triangle to circle or anything dramatic, but it gives you drive to do stuff, and that stuff depends on how you steer it. ---
**Author:** ![Warren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/97f17d/32.png) [@Warren](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Warren)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 9:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pre-op-rapunzel/14594/10 "2008-07-12T21:32:32Z")
I tried the Pro-op Rapunzel mix again this week with additonal modifications. I continued replacing the TAK with TAA. I upped the TAL to 10mcg. I left out the TAH completely. I have been trying to understand what TAH does. I don’t notice anything from it. So I left it out. Now, I know exactly what it does! I am not saying, necessarily, that I can describe it well, but I sure noticed what is missing. In the future I will be adding TAH when I use TAL. With TAL alone Rapunzel was a bit more b\*tchy, colder. I still felt like part of the sorority, but less chatty, more direct. I think TAL is the dominatrix pheromone. But I am not a dominatrix, so I felt ill at ease. Kinda oxymoronic, ill at ease with being confident? How is feminine confidence different from masculine confidence? TAH, as described elsewhere, adds a softness, gentleness that I didn’t really appreciate until it was gone. TAH also elicits that sense of bewilderment from female strangers. I still do not understand this. Last week (with TAH) I described the waitress, “an awful lot of prolonged eye contact and smiling, glowing attention.” What stays with me is that that eye contact was not straight on. She looked directly into my eyes, but her eyes moved widely, not too quickly, back and forth covering a span of 60 to 90 degrees. I’d say I was _bewilderingly_ attractive or fascinating to this young woman. I remember a look I got from a man, maybe in his thirties, last week with TAH in the mix. He looked at me out of the corner of his eyes grinning. My interpretation, “I know you just nailed the playmate of the month. Way to go, dude!” Of course, I hadn’t. It was just pheromones. This week, I also sprayed one spray of 2.5mcg TAF on my upper back. I didn’t expect such a small amount to do much and it was in the wrong place for much self effect, but I was going for a massage and I wanted the massage therapist to concentrate on my back, shoulders, neck – hence the placement. She told me there were four areas she wanted to concentrate on and started with my upper back, neck and shoulders. Did I ever get some deep massage! She found big knots where I didn’t know there were muscles. At the end of the hour she apologized that there wasn’t time for the other three areas! That was the TAF. They tell you to drink plenty of water after a massage. But I don’t like water so I decided to compromise and drink beer. With most of Pre-op Rapunzel fading away or diluted with massage oil and rubbed away, I gave myself two sprays of (free sample, thanks A) MX173. Okay, okay… I talk hard core, but I actually drank and entire liter of smartwater _en route_ to the strip club. With MX173 against a background of fading TAH-less Rapunzel, I got very direct straight on eye contact from all the women. I have never gotten so much eye contact at a strip club before. The women engaged in brief, polite small talk without becoming chatty or annoying or begging for drinks or tips. The dancers were aware of me and danced for me without that uncomfortable trying-too-hard thing you sometimes get when its not crowded. Overall, this was a very nice balance. I’d seen the waitress before, but we’d never paid much attention to each other. This time she asked me my name. There was a very attractive blond who I’d never seen before, who persisted in making eye contact several times from a stage quite a distance away. The MX173 created more social distance than regular A314, but not as much as A314 version LS. With version LS, many people just disqualify themselves and refuse to look at me or talk to me unless it is their job or unless they consider themselves to be high status. Most conversations were all business with no small talk at all. If I were to make a little joke or comment on the weather, it would be completely ignored, but people would jump to serve me immediately. Those who considered themselves high status were rather demanding of my attention/validation. With MX173 I felt that I was given more control over how close people would get, whereas with A314 LS they decided, irrespective of my wishes, whether they were unworthy of or entitled to my attention. ---
**Author:** ![Warren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/97f17d/32.png) [@Warren](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Warren)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2008, 5:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pre-op-rapunzel/14594/12 "2008-08-08T05:07:58Z")
My conclusions here are that the original Pre-op Rapunzel mix is actually a pretty decent social mix with a couple of small adjustments. The TAK needs to be balanced out with a roughly equal amount of TAA. The TAH and TAL need to be cut back. After a little experimenting over the past few weeks, it seems to me that the best amount of TAL and TAH is between 2.5mcg and 5.0mcg of each in equal amounts. This gives some princelyness without strange side-effects.