# Pre-Order advice needed :) **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [May 31, 2008, 10:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pre-order-advice-needed/13313 "2008-05-31T10:03:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Edx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/4da419/32.png) [@Edx](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Edx)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2008, 10:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pre-order-advice-needed/13313/1 "2008-05-31T10:03:45Z")
Hi Im new! I found this website after googling for reviews of a [pheromone product](https://a314.com/shop/) that I found by clicking on some link, turns out people here werent too impressed but I started reading about all these other products and almost implusively bought lots of different things!! But Im glad there was a bug in the order system and I couldnt complete it because it means I can get my $15 discount and some advise. What I was going to get was: A314 Instant Shine Ammo Im 23 and I would like more attraction/interest from woman. Easier interations etc. i also read that Instant Shine boosts the users mood and general mood of others around you so that would be great as well, so I think Im definitely getting that. But as for the other two Im a little confused. With A314 I read that you need to walk the walk and not just smell the part, and Im not sure if I fit the part that of the description and maybe even put girls off me in the worst case if I understand correctly. But it seems to have a lot of praise, its expensive, and has its own secret forum! So Im sure its very good, but is it for me? I could afford 2 other products if i didnt buy this so I dont know. With Ammo I dont know if this is really for me. Some people say its amazing, while others suggest caution. Maybe they are just applying it wrong? Or maybe they are apready producing too much of, I think its, -none? Anyway little confused, or if its for me, or if Im better off with different things. I was interested but very weary of Instant Female Attraction because I dont want to make myself depressed (lol!) or make guys depressed. So I dont know about that one. Instant Honesty and Instant Openness sound greeat, but if I start thinking of them I feel a bit overwhelmed because now thats lots of products and Im not sure if really understand what the real difference is even though I have read lots of newbie guides on here! Do I really need either or these, or both? As for other things? Again lots of great sounding products but aside from Spaceland which just sounds like mad fun it may be an indulgence considering my budget and then theres stuff like Turn up the Heat and Instant Gentleman. urgh. I know Im going to buy at least 4 and I need to do a large order to justify the expensive postage, but still. Any advice at all? ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2008, 11:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pre-order-advice-needed/13313/2 "2008-05-31T11:26:02Z")
Hi You do know they have to-go size botttles at a lower cost so you can try a few things out before investing in a large bottle. A314 is oil and the oils only come in large but most of the sprays have the to-go’s. They have about 40 sprays each in them. Yes you need to be a little congruant to get the best reactions from A314. But you dont have to turn into James Bond or anything. Just smile more make eye contact and be willing to boss people around a bit LOL They will look to you to lead. A314 ups your status, it gives you a alpha leader aura. People will look to you to give cues that it is alright to approach the alpha. Smiling usually does it. Instant Shine is warm friendly upbeat and charismatic. Makes the user and the people exposed feel great and comfortable. Go’s well with A314 or any other product for that matter. Your 23 and should be fine with AMMO. It has 2.5 mcg’s of Androstenone per spray which really isnt alot. Its also buffered with two other pheromones to make OD less of a problem. Its sexy confident attractive and mildly arousing [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) can cause a down feeling, you wont go into major depression and it only happens in a very small percentage of men. Its calming and comforting and puts women at ease. Turn Up The Heat is also 2.5 mcg’s of Androstenone per spray but it comes on stronger because it is not as buffered. I would wait on this one. Instant Gentleman is great but only comes in the large size. Its mature worldly smooth sophisticated. I would wait on this one. Instant Openness and Instant Honesty are great and I suggest you consider one of them. I like Instant Honesty its social but on a deeper more intimate level. People feel conmfortable around you like they have known you for years. It also brings a feeling of closeness and intimacy which go’s over well with the ladies. IO is more fun and chatty I would suggest you get. A314 Instant Shine Instant Honesty to-go AMMO to-go Instant Female Magic to-go Instant Openness to-go Or if you not interested in the to-go’s IH A314 Instant Shine AMMO Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Edx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/4da419/32.png) [@Edx](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Edx)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2008, 11:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pre-order-advice-needed/13313/3 "2008-05-31T11:45:09Z")
Thanks Tisha! You always seem so helpfull, if they arent paying you they probably should be. Anyway, thanks I will consider your suggestions 😃 ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2008, 11:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pre-order-advice-needed/13313/4 "2008-05-31T11:53:26Z")
Nope I dont work for Androtics, I work for the forum members. SteveO looks out for me though. Plus this forum has such great friendly people in it. I think its all the mones we wear (snort) 😛 Tish ---
**Author:** ![PhatSounds](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phatsounds/32/233_2.png) [@PhatSounds](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PhatSounds)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2008, 11:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pre-order-advice-needed/13313/5 "2008-05-31T11:56:15Z")
Thanks Edx for posting this & i will try my best to advice you here 🙂 Btw awesome advice that you get from our helpful & lovely Lady Tisha 🙂 She is really good at giving advices to users. Ok you say there’s some people weren’t impressed of a pheromone product? What is the name of that product don’t mind i ask? Ok regarding the bug, check your intro, lady Tisha has say about the bug problem. Ok so you are looking for more attraction/interest from women, ok this is the best recommendation of pheros here i can give to you\> AMMO(Take regular strength as i noticed your age is same as mine) + Instant Shine & Instant Openness(Try to get 2x strength for these two) but it’s up to you decide on this. And another thing when i say mix, i mean layered it just not to confused you there. Ok, i help describe A314 to you. A314 is used to give high respect & high status to its user. This phero is best suited in work & work situations but other situation you can use it but careful of its dosage or you will end up OD. Move your cursor to the word OD & you will find what does it mean. As for AMMO, it is used to give sexual attraction/interest to girls to the wearer plus other benefits as well with you mix it with Instant Openness & Instant Shine. And it is more buffered compared to Turn Up The Heat. So don’t worry about the dosage much compared to Turn Up The Heat. If you just wear the recommended dosage, you will be safe from OD. For [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) it is not attraction btw, it can make girls feel more comfortable & relax with the wearer. Yes i know about the effect of depression cause to guys but if you follow the recommended dosage & for my opinion spray at the back of your neck you can avoid that depression effect. As for Instant Openness it can make the user more chattier & more confidence. One point i would like to highlight is when you used this & talk with someone like your friend don’t be shocked that you will talk longer than before & so with your friend especially using the 2x strength. This did happened to me before. As for Instant Honesty, it can affect the ones talking to the user like talk ot some thing that not supposed to be said like secrets & such & also allows deeper conservation. Well you can use Instant Openness mix with AMMO & Instant Shine. As for Spaceland, i don’t know much of it sorry most likely you will get about this phero from other experienced users. And Turn Up The Heat is like i say careful of its dosages or you will risk being OD. It is best used for relationships & when you are close with the girl you like. It does give the sexual attraction but different than AMMO. And lastly Instant Gentlemen, it will make its wearer look more mature & make him look more older although he look young. That’s all i know. Ok listen to me Edx, pheros can only help you 20% but the rest of 80% is all up to you to make it happen. So even though you used pheros but you did not do any effort to it then, it’s pointless. I leave it to you to think about this. You did say you are on a budget why not trying getting the togos bottles first as they are cheap & easy to carry. Btw, it have 40 sprays each. I hope i managed to help you there. Wish you all the best in testing the pheros 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Daedelus76](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Daedelus76](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Daedelus76)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2008, 2:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pre-order-advice-needed/13313/6 "2008-05-31T14:37:35Z")
Androtics really needs to make “[Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/)” in the togo sizes. For people that don’t know where to start, androsterone or Instant Gentleman is a good, safe base. I believe pure androsterone is a little less smooth than Instant Gentlemen, but they both work (I believe you can also buy androsterone in “to go” sizes if you don’t mind a 1-2 delay in your shipment, but I could be wrong - 5mcg-12mcg/spray seems to work for me). $39.95 for a bottle of IG is not bad esp. compared to competitors products, who don’t even give you “sample” sizes except for a handful of products. You can also use Androtics products with other pheromones companies’ products. I find Instant Shine goes well with anything, such as Scent of Eros, WAGG, or Perception. None of these are high androstenone products, and only one actually contains Androstenone. Note though that except for WAGG, they are relatively slow acting compared to a spray. Also, adding Instant Honesty to a product “mix” (not an actualy physical mix, but just what you wear) seems to help make it more serious, you can get deeper conversations and it “darkens” the mood a little, it’s not effusively bubbly like alpha androstenol. Great if you want to probe people or get under their skin just a little, and even persuade them. I don’t want to offend anybody but androstenone I believe is overhyped by many pheromone experiencers. You have to have the right personality for it to work. Sometimes I like a little bit (and I do mean a little) with what I wear, but mostly I avoid it. I don’t believe it’s “sexually attractive” so much as dirty/nasty/kinky… it gives you a “bad boy” edge and seems to either appeal to older women… or “nasty” girls. It depends on how intimidating you are, and how much you already produce (I produce “enough” on my own, I believe). Ammo seems to have a low amount, but androstenone is not a “holy grail” and you’ld do well to try out “social” pheromones too. ---
**Author:** ![SoulCreator](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/soulcreator/32/236_2.png) [@SoulCreator](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SoulCreator)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2008, 5:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pre-order-advice-needed/13313/7 "2008-05-31T17:21:09Z")
Wow there is some great advice above, but if I were just to interject with my two cents; If your looking for easier interactions with women I would definitely go with some Ammo, and some Instant Openness, and perhaps some Instant Shine. A314 is a great product but if you are looking for easier interactions I might hold off on it. It’s great for giving you a high class, alpha male sort of vibe, but it also gives off a “I’m too important for you so don’t even bother” sort of vibe. Which means you would have to do more work to get things flowing with the ladies, so in the end might hinder your interactions rather than help them along. And by the way, I have heard some people on this forum talk about the wonders [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) has done for them. Personally I have a small togo bottle that I usually reserve for moments when I’m gonna be around a cranky/PMSing chick. But it might be something worth looking into if your looking to bring the mood of the ladies around you up, to smooth out those interactions. 😉 (P.S. Everything I suggested can be purchased as a togo bottle! Which I totally suggest you get for a first time purchase.) ---
**Author:** ![Edx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/4da419/32.png) [@Edx](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Edx)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2008, 2:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pre-order-advice-needed/13313/8 "2008-06-01T14:01:11Z")
> [@SoulCreator](#): > > A314 is a great product but if you are looking for easier interactions I might hold off on it. It’s great for giving you a high class, alpha male sort of vibe, but it also gives off a “I’m too important for you so don’t even bother” sort of vibe. Which means you would have to do more work to get things flowing with the ladies, so in the end might hinder your interactions rather than help them along. Thanks for all the advise people. But this is the kind of thing that confuses me! 😃 Tisha suggested it was okay to by A314 and all I really needed was a little push (like smiling or something). She suggested I get a whole proper bottle of it! But i read things like the above that suggest it might not be for me? Also, I was wondering what [Come Talk To Me](https://a314.com/product/come-talk-to-me-cttm/) 2 was like. Will that help with anything or is it worth it if Im getting the other products Tisha suggested? Also, what does Raw Power have that the other products listed here not have? Ed ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2008, 2:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pre-order-advice-needed/13313/9 "2008-06-01T14:11:20Z")
> [@](#): > > Also, I was wondering what Come Talk To Me 2 was like. Will that help with anything or is it worth it if Im getting the other products Tisha suggested? Also, what does [Raw Power](https://a314.com/product/raw-power/) have that the other products listed here not have? Raw power is oil based anone simular to the popular product Primal instinct. It has 10mcg’s of anone per drop and diffuses long and slow. Its sort of commanding and sexy. CTTM2 is half bnol (IH) and half anol (IO) its good but I suggest you work with IH and IO alone first. CTTM2 is harsher because it only has the primaty mones from IH and IO and not the buffers or stearing mones. I still believe you will be fine with A314. Just give more cues like I mentioned smiling, eye contact, and dont be afraid to take the lead in a situation and its fine. It is tougher for extremely shy people to get working but it still benefits them. You can alos stear it with some friendly chatty mones if you run into any trouble to. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Edx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/4da419/32.png) [@Edx](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Edx)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2008, 3:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pre-order-advice-needed/13313/10 "2008-06-01T15:58:40Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Raw power is oil based Androstenone simular to the popular product Primal instinct. It has 10mcg’s of Androstenone per drop and diffuses long and slow. > > Its sort of commanding and sexy. > > Come Talk To Me Mix 2 is half Beta Androstenol (Instant Honesty) and half Alpha Androstenol (Instant Openness) its good but I suggest you work with Instant Honesty and Instant Openness alone first. Come Talk To Me Mix 2 is harsher because it only has the primaty pheromones from IH and IO and not the buffers or stearing pheromones. > > I still believe you will be fine with A314. Just give more cues like I mentioned smiling, eye contact, and dont be afraid to take the lead in a situation and its fine. It is tougher for extremely shy people to get working but it still benefits them. You can alos stear it with some friendly chatty pheromones if you run into any trouble to. > > Tisha Thanks again 🙂 I will go with your suggestions in your first reply and I will try A314. One question again, while adding these to the shopping cart when I got to [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) there is an option for “Additional Notes:” with a space to put something, what does this mean? Is this what scent I want? If it is … which one is the most sort of popular? EDIT: Also, is it worth getting any in double strength as Phatsounds suggested? Can you just spray more on and get the same result? Ed ---
**Author:** ![PhatSounds](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phatsounds/32/233_2.png) [@PhatSounds](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PhatSounds)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2008, 4:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pre-order-advice-needed/13313/11 "2008-06-01T16:16:05Z")
> [@Edx](#): > > EDIT: Also, is it worth getting any in double strength as Phatsounds suggested? Can you just spray more on and get the same result? Edx, i suggested 2x strength so that you can get better effects used with AMMO. And for 2x strength, you can spray less instead of spraying more. If you spray more, most likely your togo bottle will finished sooner than expected. Easy to say getting 2x strength help you save money for the long run. ---
**Author:** ![Edx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/4da419/32.png) [@Edx](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Edx)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2008, 4:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pre-order-advice-needed/13313/12 "2008-06-01T16:27:33Z")
Thanks Phat, I will see what Tisha says but that sounds like a good idea. Out of interest, how many sprays in a to-go bottle vs a normal size? ---
**Author:** ![PhatSounds](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phatsounds/32/233_2.png) [@PhatSounds](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PhatSounds)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2008, 4:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pre-order-advice-needed/13313/13 "2008-06-01T16:32:45Z")
> [@Edx](#): > > Thanks Phat, I will see what Tisha says but that sounds like a good idea. > > Out of interest, how many sprays in a to-go bottle vs a normal size? Your welcome Edx 🙂, anyway i think you should check my previous post on this thread for the answer to your question. ---
**Author:** ![Edx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/4da419/32.png) [@Edx](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Edx)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2008, 4:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pre-order-advice-needed/13313/14 "2008-06-01T16:55:09Z")
Ah 40 sprays. thanks 😃 ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2008, 11:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pre-order-advice-needed/13313/15 "2008-06-01T23:43:26Z")
Generally we suggest people start with regular strength products till they know there dosage but most people always use more then one spray of the socials like IO IH and Ishine so those are alright to upgrade if you want. Wait on any product with anone in it till you know your dosage. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Edx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/4da419/32.png) [@Edx](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Edx)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2008, 12:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pre-order-advice-needed/13313/16 "2008-06-02T00:02:55Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Generally we suggest people start with regular strength products till they know there dosage but most people always use more then one spray of the socials like Instant Openness Instant Honesty and Instant Shine so those are alright to upgrade if you want. Wait on any product with Androstenone in it till you know your dosage. > > Tisha Will do that then. As to my other question? \* One question again, while adding these to the shopping cart when I got to [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) there is an option for “ **Additional Notes:** ” with a space to put something, what does this mean? Is this what scent I want? If it is … which one is the most sort of popular?\* ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2008, 12:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pre-order-advice-needed/13313/17 "2008-06-02T00:34:17Z")
> [@Edx](#): > > Will do that then. As to my other question? > > _One question again, while adding these to the shopping cart when I got to [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) there is an option for “ **Additional Notes:** ” with a space to put something, what does this mean? Is this what scent I want? If it is … which one is the most sort of popular?_ No the product box just came with the shopping cart system and they used it for special requests before they had a link for that. Now if you want a scent change you go to the custom additions link on the front page left. [Custom Additions :: Androtics Direct/SmartMones](https://a314.com/) There you will see men’s and women’s additions. Those are really the only customizations they do now. There will also be a box on the last page right before you choose payment method. This one is for special requests or to provide info like you Telephone number and such. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Edx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/4da419/32.png) [@Edx](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Edx)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2008, 12:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pre-order-advice-needed/13313/18 "2008-06-02T00:42:30Z")
Thanks again! Well here goes Im makimg my $164 order hehe. minus post and packing of course. I will be reporting back. I dohope I get it before Thursday as I am going out, might be a bit of a long shot with overseas postage but Im crossing my fingers. ---
**Author:** ![SoulCreator](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/soulcreator/32/236_2.png) [@SoulCreator](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SoulCreator)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2008, 1:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pre-order-advice-needed/13313/19 "2008-06-02T01:23:39Z")
> [@Edx](#): > > Thanks for all the advise people. But this is the kind of thing that confuses me! 😃 Tisha suggested it was okay to by A314 and all I really needed was a little push (like smiling or something). She suggested I get a whole proper bottle of it! But i read things like the above that suggest it might not be for me? Well it’s not that I was trying to state that A314 would be a bad product for you, it’s just that when I personally wear it I find that people are slightly more reserved in my presence. Unless your going for women with really high self esteem, your probably going to do a little more work to get things going. I guess what I’m trying to say is that if your looking for a product where random people ( **Cough Hot chicks Cough** ) are going to come up to you and start conversations this one might not be for you. But then again a product like A314 might be the thing that helps you to get the sort of quality women you’ve been looking for. So if you wanna go for it don’t let my post be the thing to stop you, it’s a great product if you want respect, or to appear to be the leader of your group which definitely helps if your looking for attention from the ladies, just remember when your wearing it you have to be congruent with the vibe your putting off. Anyway you have my blessing, go get yourself a bottle of A314 😉