# Prefer A314-styled oil application VS alcohol spray **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [May 23, 2006, 4:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/prefer-a314-styled-oil-application-vs-alcohol-spray/374 "2006-05-23T16:04:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 4\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![itwow](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/itwow/32/1493_2.png) [@itwow](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/itwow)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2006, 4:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/prefer-a314-styled-oil-application-vs-alcohol-spray/374/1 "2006-05-23T16:04:37Z")
I understand that Michael is working on the new 20+ products, so here is my question regarding mixing alcohol-based products into oil carriers, which I prefer to be applied directly to skin as opposed to sprays. The A314 timed-release oil works much better in my weather here. Anyone, please feel free to chime in. I’d like more info before I make my next order. Much thanks. > [@](#): > > If you want to mix the oil INTO the alcohol based products (The Instant and ExperiMone lines), only the plain oil option will work without issues. > > You’ll need 3 or 4 ml of surfactants added for the natural musk base, if you wish to add oil the oil directly to an Instant or ExperiMone spray. > > The surfactants will slow diffusion even further than plain oil. They will also disturb bacterial metabolism, if that’s an important (negative or positive) issue to you. > > If you want this, just mention it in the order details. > > As far as time released diluent goes, for what you want, I’d recommend the natural plant musk blend. > > On the other hand, if you wish to add ethanol based products TO an oil base, where the resultant mixture is no more than 20 or 30% of the ethanol based product, they should blend WITHOUT additional surfactants. > > MHarris Essentially, what I’d like to do is to “transform” the AR products I own (Instant/Experimone/Putative lines) into oil-carrier products, similar along the lines of timed-released A314. Which is, I apply the final mixture on the skin, instead of spraying it. > [@](#): > > **Oil diluents available from AR store** > > - plain oil (called dipropylene glycol), > - oil AND natural plant musks (helps to time release pheromones) > - plain Propylene Glycol (Propylene, not Dipropylene) #1 So, which is the diluent I need? #2 How do I dissolve 1 spray of, let’s say TAF into the diluent? Required ratio of TAF to oil? #3 Any special mixing, handling or storage methods? #4 If I use the dropper from the blue bottles, how many drops is equal to 1 full spray (approximation)? Thanks. i2w ---
**Author:** ![Homura83](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/homura83/32/1989_2.png) [@Homura83](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Homura83)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2006, 4:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/prefer-a314-styled-oil-application-vs-alcohol-spray/374/2 "2006-05-23T16:39:32Z")
Thats quite complicated.Just cover your alcohol based application points with the oil based A314 and this will do the trick. ---
**Author:** ![examine](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/examine/32/1665_2.png) [@examine](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/examine)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2006, 7:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/prefer-a314-styled-oil-application-vs-alcohol-spray/374/3 "2006-05-25T19:19:39Z")
> [@itwow](#): > > I understand that Michael is working on the new 20+ products, so here is my question regarding mixing alcohol-based products into oil carriers, which I prefer to be applied directly to skin as opposed to sprays. The A314 timed-release oil works much better in my weather here. > > Anyone, please feel free to chime in. I’d like more info before I make my next order. Much thanks. > > Essentially, what I’d like to do is to “transform” the AR products I own (Instant/Experimone/Putative lines) into oil-carrier products, similar along the lines of timed-released A314. Which is, I apply the final mixture on the skin, instead of spraying it. > > #1 So, which is the diluent I need? > > #2 How do I dissolve 1 spray of, let’s say TAF into the diluent? Required ratio of TAF to oil? > > #3 Any special mixing, handling or storage methods? > > #4 If I use the dropper from the blue bottles, how many drops is equal to 1 full spray (approximation)? > > Thanks. > > i2w I just started using TAF. What positive effects have you gotten from it? To me, it seems like a dark IShine. ---
**Author:** ![itwow](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/itwow/32/1493_2.png) [@itwow](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/itwow)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2006, 9:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/prefer-a314-styled-oil-application-vs-alcohol-spray/374/4 "2006-05-26T09:54:17Z")
The Experimones are difficult to pin down, especially TAF which behaves differently at different dosages. TAF seems to pull my calculated combos in unexpected directions. I’ve excluded TAF from my combos for now. > [@Homura83](#): > > Thats quite complicated.Just cover your alcohol based application points with the oil based A314 and this will do the trick. Thanks for the advice. Changing carriers could be too much work after all. I’ll just get DPG to dilute A314, but will this reduce the effectiveness of A314 in terms of diffusion & time-line on the skin? i2w