# Price out of whack for A314 15ml **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [March 29, 2009, 5:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/price-out-of-whack-for-a314-15ml/27539 "2009-03-29T17:06:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![mromar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e5b9ba/32.png) [@mromar](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mromar)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2009, 5:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/price-out-of-whack-for-a314-15ml/27539/1 "2009-03-29T17:06:58Z")
How come love-scent has the 15ml bottle for $69.95 where smartmone/androtics has a 10ml for that. Thats 50% less good stuff… Also if you want androtics 15ml.. than you better be willing to cough up $99.95. My question is to the folks and the mods .. what is the difference between the two… ? Has anyone used one from love-scent…? Heck I’d buy my stuff from androtics if at all possible. I love this bunch. Thanks in advance ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2009, 5:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/price-out-of-whack-for-a314-15ml/27539/2 "2009-03-29T17:11:57Z")
Because Love scent sells the old 9 mone version made by Androtics. Here is the store they sell the new version which has something like 17 mones in it. Its less harsh and intimidating, its smoother then the old one. More mones cost more money Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2009, 8:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/price-out-of-whack-for-a314-15ml/27539/3 "2009-03-29T20:36:45Z")
I’ve used both versions extensively and find no difference in target reactions. Of course there probably are subtle differences but for my purposes they are the same. I certainly can’t characterize either version as harsh and both are equally intimidating if not coupled with a smooth personality and complemented with androstenol and TAA. However there is a big difference in scent! MASSIVE. The Smartmones product smells like a friggen New Age hippie or headshop and causes a rash on my neck, chest and forearms. The oil is supposedly organic but too thick for easy dispersion. In contrast, the LS variant smells really nice, a mellow spicy scent and doesn’t give me a rash. The scent package also blends better with my fav colognes. The oil is a little thinner (nonorganic?) and is a lot easier to get out of the bottle. Whatever, Androtics makes them both so I think both are quality products and it’s nice to have a choice. I’d hate to smell like a damn hippie so thanks Androtics for giving picky guys an option. Wish LS sold the old version of [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) too. Hate the scent of the new one… ---
**Author:** ![Koomhamada](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/a698b9/32.png) [@Koomhamada](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Koomhamada)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2009, 1:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/price-out-of-whack-for-a314-15ml/27539/4 "2009-03-30T01:00:07Z")
A314 is expensive. I bought it but have not used it yet. I will use it I hope it worth the money. I am very happy with Turn Up The Heat and I don’t have the guts to switch right now. When I go to business meeting where all the audience are men I will use A314. > [@](#): > > If you don’t know how to smile > Don’t open a shop.🙂 > > Author is Chinese Guy ---
**Author:** ![Eslite119](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eslite119/32/176_2.png) [@Eslite119](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Eslite119)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2009, 1:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/price-out-of-whack-for-a314-15ml/27539/5 "2009-03-30T01:02:05Z")
The next batch of A314 will be the best! ---
**Author:** ![MHarris](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mharris/32/2107_2.png) [@MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MHarris)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2009, 1:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/price-out-of-whack-for-a314-15ml/27539/6 "2009-03-30T01:37:29Z")
Our earlier versions used some compounds which were sourced from the far east (mostly the rone, none, and androstenol; not so much the other compounds which we had to make here at specialized labs in the US). This was necessary so we could afford the margin necessary for resale through other stores. Ultimately, we became dissatisfied with the inconsistency of chemical batches from countries such as China. That’s why here, we go all out, and exclusively use American sourced [pheromones](https://a314.com/). (we’ve even switched up labs over the year, in an effort to make the good and the great, even better) While we have greater margins selling directly with which to invest in the quality of chemicals, sometimes a higher margin in and of itself is not quite enough to be able to afford the quality we truly prefer. The highest quality, American sourced version of a molecule is often magnitudes more expensive than the far east version, due to not just the cost of the labor, but also the starting materials and cofactors used in synthesis. US made androstenol, for instance, literally costs several hundred times more than the Chinese version. A dollars vs. cents per cents per mg type scenario (and it’s definitely worth it in the case of the more subtle & social mones) With many compounds, we feel it’s worth it. It lowers the amount and degree of variables to track. Specifically, we don’t have to worry about chemical quality being one of the variables being tested in a mix. We can focus instead on the mix itself, instead of worrying about the quality of each ingredient within the mix. When it comes to A314, however, I feel that Gegoggi is right. While our switchover has dramatically improved the quality and consistency of some of our products, the LS version of A314 is still excellent. We tried very hard to work with the options we had at the time to present a good product to them. That effort obviously paid off. Our present version perhaps feels a little more open and romantic than the original versions, while the LS version is a bit more commanding. Part of that is due to the increased quality of our social mones, while the other part is from tweaks to the formulation over the years. We’ve wanted to keep the compliance factor A314 generates high, while not completely locking the user into their own bubble. Some who like absolute control over others will enjoy the older versions more than the slightly more human feeling modern versions. Some also happen like the older cover scent & diffusion package, while others like our more recent ones. Different strokes for different folks. Both have different subtlies that are useful for different context, but the core effects are still very much similar. You’ll probably do well with either. ---
**Author:** ![tfrankz](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tfrankz/32/468_2.png) [@tfrankz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tfrankz)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2009, 6:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/price-out-of-whack-for-a314-15ml/27539/7 "2009-03-30T06:09:29Z")
Gegogi said Wish LS sold the old version of [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) too. Hate the scent of the new one… I second that. ---
**Author:** ![terry0400-40](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/terry0400-40/32/1915_2.png) [@terry0400-40](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/terry0400-40)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2009, 7:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/price-out-of-whack-for-a314-15ml/27539/8 "2009-03-30T07:06:23Z")
Ordered my 1st 15 ml bottle A314 from LS in October 2006 The stuff “itched my neck like all heck” and had a mild herby light scent, therefore could only apply to my forearms ect . My 2 nd 15 ml bottle ordered from Androtics in November 2006, This one was a pleasure to apply anywhere and did not cause neck rash as “others have mentioned” when using the L-S version. The Androtics version had a more enduring and pleasant smell that was not overbearing. Both versions worked exactly as well as each other when discribing the [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/) actions ect. ---
**Author:** ![magicj76](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/magicj76/32/1858_2.png) [@magicj76](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/magicj76)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2009, 8:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/price-out-of-whack-for-a314-15ml/27539/9 "2009-03-30T08:57:08Z")
A314 is definitely my favorite product, and the proof is that I ordered the Androtics 15ml with no hesitation at all. First, because at LS they don’t ship to France. Then, because with version 17 batch 6 had me make very bad comments at the beginning and finally revealed itself to work very well, in spite of regular rashes and itches. Now that explanations have been given, I must admit I’d be highly interested in the LS version. The BIG problem is, they don’t ship to France… ---
**Author:** ![mromar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e5b9ba/32.png) [@mromar](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mromar)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2009, 3:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/price-out-of-whack-for-a314-15ml/27539/10 "2009-06-08T03:45:37Z")
Thanks for all your comments. The explanation did help alot with understanding the difference. Sorry for being MIA. I just got caught up with so much… But I never threw the empty bottle of my A314 out. It served as a reminder to replenish my stock. Once again..thanks for amazing insight as always. You guys rock!