# Primal Instinct + Alter Ego **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [December 2, 2006, 11:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/primal-instinct-alter-ego/1006 "2006-12-02T23:37:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Matthew1982ct](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/matthew1982ct/32/1157_2.png) [@Matthew1982ct](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Matthew1982ct)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2006, 11:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/primal-instinct-alter-ego/1006/1 "2006-12-02T23:37:04Z")
1 drop Primal Instinct + 2.5 drops Alter Ego = very little in the way of hits. Overall rating = 2.75. Night as a whole was not great and neither product seemed to make much of a difference. Thanks, Matthew ---
**Author:** ![bronzie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e274bd/32.png) [@bronzie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bronzie)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2006, 12:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/primal-instinct-alter-ego/1006/3 "2006-12-03T00:16:25Z")
both these products are great, and the ratio you applied seems good too, however I would have added much more Alpha Androstenol in the combo. alter ego is one of the safer products to wear in most situations, it contains are relatively low amount of .none in any one drop ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2006, 1:14am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/primal-instinct-alter-ego/1006/4 "2006-12-03T01:14:21Z")
i could not agree more with bronzie there; reason being that if a gal is sniffin those hot [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) and feelin the love she still wants you to do the approaching… instant openness and instant shine would have been PERFECT to get them telling you exactly how those 'mones make them feel. the shine would have put you in the “i dont care if she likes me or not,im HAPPENIN!” mood… IO would have had them gabbing their giggly little heads off. maybe all you really needed was to lighten up the mood some!🙂 ---
**Author:** ![sigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dec6dc/32.png) [@sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sigma)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2006, 3:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/primal-instinct-alter-ego/1006/5 "2006-12-03T03:12:29Z")
Bronzie and Lor give good advice. PI and Alter Ego are very aggressive type products, and unless properly off-set with social mones the effects could be highyl negative. I honestly wouldnt think to combine the two, as they’re both androdstenone based products and theres quite a lot of potential for OD. Social mones work more consistently than straight none, which is highly context sensitive. While a sexual spark is a good thing to have, you also need to consider the social aspect of attraction. Unless you’re in a strictly sexual type of situation, I wouldn’t use none as a focus of a mix. ---
**Author:** ![tacitus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tacitus)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2006, 4:10am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/primal-instinct-alter-ego/1006/6 "2006-12-03T04:10:14Z")
I’d betcha with the later Putatives and better knowledge, these old school brews will be supplanted with a significantly more sophisticated blending… ones with multiple layers of creamy, embracing, seductive warmth followed by big wet religious experience grade orgasms and sticky, aromatic, psychic cuddly slithering… of course, if you desire the good traditional Chimp Humppe…😃 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2006, 5:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/primal-instinct-alter-ego/1006/7 "2006-12-03T05:12:51Z")
Yea it’s kind of sad that people are still paying for these ‘raw’ older products which are just highly flawed. There’s a lot more to mones than just -None, -Rone, and Alpha-Nol… And I am really glad Androtics has put out so many ‘new’ mones in the past year. Visionary ---
**Author:** ![Matthew1982ct](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/matthew1982ct/32/1157_2.png) [@Matthew1982ct](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Matthew1982ct)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2006, 6:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/primal-instinct-alter-ego/1006/8 "2006-12-03T06:51:17Z")
Only used that combonation as it’s all I have left at the moment. Would have to agree with Visionary here; noting these two I bought in January/February of this year. Both highly disappointing. The Primal more so than the Alter Ego. If I wasn’t so lazy both would have been sent back some time ago - bought from a place other than [smartmones.com](http://smartmones.com) of course! Plus I held back on the Primal - down from 4 drops to just 1 drop. Maybe I should shave and get a haircut/grow my hair. Was told last night that my friend’s sister thinks I’m “hot when I have longer hair and am shaven”. That might help. Matt ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2006, 10:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/primal-instinct-alter-ego/1006/9 "2006-12-03T22:11:33Z")
I have no experience with Primal, but I used Alter Ego to some good effects. It seems to have difficulty “getting out there”, but if a woman is close enough for long enough that it kicks in, you can get some amazing results. I had a situation once where I kept having to tell my distractant over and over to stop kissing and sucking my neck. (Where I applied it). It was hitting her so hard she didn’t even stop once we were in wal mart and finally I told her we were on security cameras being watched, and she stopped… but it took about ten tries to get her to stop. So Alter Ego does work, and with the right circumstances, it works pretty well. But it’s one that needs close proximity and about 20 minutes to kick in fully. So put it on and drive her around in a car with the windows up and the AC blowing on your feet. 😃 By the way, if you’re used to using Androtics stuff, Alter Ego is gonna feel different. It’s hard to explain, but all I can say is that AE feels more “crude” somehow. I don’t think that’s necessarily a bad thing… but it doesn’t feel as refined as Androtics mones of the same general type, like Ammunition. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![chads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/2acd7d/32.png) [@chads](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/chads)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2006, 4:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/primal-instinct-alter-ego/1006/10 "2006-12-04T04:06:39Z")
I had mediocre results with PI until I started using more. I started using 2 drops plus a small dab on the finger tip spread around. The hits I got with that were incredible. ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2006, 5:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/primal-instinct-alter-ego/1006/11 "2006-12-04T05:21:59Z")
Isn’t Primal supposed to be more than 20 mcg of anone per drop?! ---
**Author:** ![chads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/2acd7d/32.png) [@chads](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/chads)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2006, 6:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/primal-instinct-alter-ego/1006/12 "2006-12-05T06:04:03Z")
I don’t know how much is in it but it works. ---
**Author:** ![Mak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/dc4da7/32.png) [@Mak](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mak)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2006, 12:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/primal-instinct-alter-ego/1006/13 "2006-12-05T12:18:49Z")
> [@catlord17](#): > > Isn’t Primal supposed to be more than 20 mcg of Androstenone per drop?! Yes. All the math I’ve seen before indicated it is 20mcg per drop of Pheromones. Bottle states those are Anone, but I believe that is not all. There are other active ingredients in it. That was mentioned by few others as well. For example, 1 drop of PI is significantly different, reaction wise, to 2 drops of Raw Power, which is straight Anone @ 10mcg/drop. ---
**Author:** ![terry0400-40](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/terry0400-40/32/1915_2.png) [@terry0400-40](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/terry0400-40)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2006, 7:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/primal-instinct-alter-ego/1006/14 "2006-12-05T19:35:08Z")
> [@catlord17](#): > > Isn’t Primal supposed to be more than 20 mcg of Androstenone per drop?! Ha ha i applied 2 drops PI to a mix one day and a new white girl who was working about 4 ft away was competing furiously with me, she was very unfriendly and badmouthing me to her girlfriend but at the same time she couldnt take her eyes off of me, and the 2 dark girls that were familiar with me were as friendly as anything, i also had about 4 drops of androsterone on as well.😃 ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2006, 11:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/primal-instinct-alter-ego/1006/15 "2006-12-05T23:32:48Z")
> [@terry0400-40](#): > > Ha ha i applied 2 drops Primal Instinct to a mix one day and a new white girl who was working about 4 ft away was competing furiously with me, she was very unfriendly and badmouthing me to her girlfriend but at the same time she couldnt take her eyes off of me, and the 2 dark girls that were familiar with me were as friendly as anything, i also had about 4 drops of androsterone on as well.😃 I have noticed that black and hispanic women seem to like much stronger pheromones than other groups. Black women seem to like their pheromones strongest of all. ---
**Author:** ![terry0400-40](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/terry0400-40/32/1915_2.png) [@terry0400-40](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/terry0400-40)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2006, 5:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/primal-instinct-alter-ego/1006/16 "2006-12-06T05:48:34Z")
> [@catlord17](#): > > I have noticed that black and hispanic women seem to like much stronger pheromones than other groups. Black women seem to like their pheromones strongest of all. You sure are right on that one Catlord, before i started using A314 i usually applied a little mix when working with these few south seas island girls usually a few dabs NPA or PI or Pherofragrance or SOE + either of the others and maybe a few drops of rone added, and i always changed my mix every 2 days so as not to become predictable, to make it a short story these girls could never do enough for me whenever they had a chance, and one is still emailing me after all these months. Since then i found this forum and i am purchasing and learning about the Androtics range of refined products. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![sigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dec6dc/32.png) [@sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sigma)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2006, 6:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/primal-instinct-alter-ego/1006/17 "2006-12-06T06:06:39Z")
> [@catlord17](#): > > I have noticed that black and hispanic women seem to like much stronger pheromones than other groups. Black women seem to like their pheromones strongest of all. I notice the same thing…at least in terms of the blatant, ‘in yo face’ type of hits. But I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that black and hispanic women tend to be more aggressive than white women, and especially asian women. In terms of long-term success, I’ve had the most with Asian women …I am asian after all. Hell I had success with them before I ever found mones lol. I rarely have any success with white women though…mones or not. ---
**Author:** ![terry0400-40](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/terry0400-40/32/1915_2.png) [@terry0400-40](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/terry0400-40)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2006, 6:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/primal-instinct-alter-ego/1006/18 "2006-12-06T06:51:44Z")
> [@sigma](#): > > I notice the same thing…at least in terms of the blatant, ‘in yo face’ type of hits. But I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that black and hispanic women tend to be more aggressive than white women, and especially asian women. > > In terms of long-term success, I’ve had the most with Asian women …I am asian after all. Hell I had success with them before I ever found pheromones lol. I rarely have any success with white women though…pheromones or not. White or not it does not matter they are all just so YUMMY. And i must add, Asian women are just so sexy, oh me oh mi, now i am feeling high,sometimes you wanna sort of kiss them all night phew and half the day. I really had better compose myself id say, so see ya later after my cold shower.😃 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Matthew1982ct](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/matthew1982ct/32/1157_2.png) [@Matthew1982ct](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Matthew1982ct)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2006, 2:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/primal-instinct-alter-ego/1006/19 "2006-12-06T14:52:36Z")
Funny you should mention that with black women; have had the same experience. Used: The Edge/Chikara/Scent of Eros 1 gel packet: 0.5 gel packet: 0.33 gel packet. Had zero effect on anyone EXCEPT one black lady and as Sigma said it was “in your face”. 😮 All good. Matt ---
**Author:** ![terry0400-40](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/terry0400-40/32/1915_2.png) [@terry0400-40](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/terry0400-40)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2006, 6:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/primal-instinct-alter-ego/1006/20 "2006-12-06T18:33:42Z")
> [@Matthew1982ct](#): > > Funny you should mention that with black women; have had the same experience. Used: The Edge/Chikara/Scent of Eros 1 gel packet: 0.5 gel packet: 0.33 gel packet. Had zero effect on anyone EXCEPT one black lady and as Sigma said it was “in your face”. > > 😮 > > All good. > > Matt Matthew i recon a whole g/p of SOE would certainly have spread some good vibes around. I havent tried Chikara though, does it perform well for you ? I have some Edge gel but i havent got around to really trialing it yet on a consistant basis alone so actually i might slop a little on today.🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Carrie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/carrie/32/1537_2.png) [@Carrie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Carrie)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2006, 6:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/primal-instinct-alter-ego/1006/21 "2006-12-06T18:58:58Z")
> [@Matthew1982ct](#): > > Funny you should mention that with black women; have had the same experience. Used: The Edge/Chikara/Scent of Eros 1 gel packet: 0.5 gel packet: 0.33 gel packet. Had zero effect on anyone EXCEPT one black lady and as Sigma said it was “in your face”. > > 😮 > > All good. > > Matt Hi Matt, one thing to keep in mind is that if you OD on either 'none or on scented products in general, people may avoid you or show no response. On Love-Scent they recommend using 1/4 to 1/3 of a gel pack at a time, and here you’ve used a total of nearly 2 full gel packs! I’d say you were in OD for sure that day. Factor in your youth and the possibility that you might not need any additional 'none at all … and there you go! [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/primal-instinct-alter-ego/1006.md?page=2)