# problems with androstenone attraction - do they feel duped? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [July 10, 2008, 11:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/problems-with-androstenone-attraction-do-they-feel-duped/15250 "2008-07-10T11:07:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![mahalo\_silver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8dc957/32.png) [@mahalo\_silver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mahalo_silver)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2008, 11:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/problems-with-androstenone-attraction-do-they-feel-duped/15250/1 "2008-07-10T11:07:37Z")
so im amazed at the number of occasions that ive worn [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) and got stellar sexual attraction…and then they just wont get back to you when u try to call them, or they wont reply to your facebook messages??? what gives man? it happens almost every time…how can they be giving me such attraction signs that night, and then bar me completely. it really disturbs me as it keeps happening when i wear -none products. its like they wake up the next morning "omg!!! i feel cheated and scammed! did that guy put some magic spray on me? did he try to deceive me? its as if they know what youre up to and hate you because of it, that u tricked them into liking u…OR…they question y they were attracted to u, “he aint normally the guy i go for??? so what was that attraction all about? omg! yuck! i dont even like that guy” either way, im getting just a tad frustrated with the fleeting nature of Androstenone attraction.Dont get me wrong, i love its abiltity to help in the seduction process, and its by far the most consistent of all the products for me as a way to generate something sexual. BUT, the “who r u again?” lack of memorability factor dosent happen with any other stuff like IFM or a314, but is a frequent side-effect of Ammo and TUH. for me anyway…if i dont escalateor go “all out” on the night, i now realise theyll end up hating me, that theyll feel duped or tricked into liking me when they wake up the next morning. ---
**Author:** ![chopsumbong](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/chopsumbong/32/1028_2.png) [@chopsumbong](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/chopsumbong)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2008, 11:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/problems-with-androstenone-attraction-do-they-feel-duped/15250/2 "2008-07-10T11:18:21Z")
I dunno what to say coz i don’t know how you interacted. the mones just get there attention then its upto you to impress them. whats with when you say they dont return ur call? thats ur first problem. dont take there number, give them your number. As most people here would agree (i hope)… A girl likes a chase. give your details to them and wait for them. If you allready showed intrest then kind of hint of what you wanna do on a date. for example “I really wanna try (resturaunts name), heard good things”. dont directly invite them but let them have your number. You don’t want them walking away from you thinking “i seen this kind before”. Thats why pick-up lines don’t work. Unless shes a slut. Oh yea if you use that resturaunt line, dont say mcdonalds. after all if shes got your number and you havent got hers then you know, if she calls theres intrest. If she doesent then shes gonna miss out. Her loss and after all bet ya gave ur number out to a few girls. if not… im disappointed. ---
**Author:** ![bubblebob](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bubblebob/32/2120_2.png) [@bubblebob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bubblebob)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2008, 11:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/problems-with-androstenone-attraction-do-they-feel-duped/15250/3 "2008-07-10T11:24:32Z")
Just a theory of mine: Androstenone makes them physically aroused while you are around them, and it’s gone as soon as you are gone. And that exactly is the problem! Androstenone only provides the physical background - to let her remember you and let her wanting to see you again, you actually have to attract her mind and heart as well. You have to establish some kind of inner connection. If you don’t succeed in establishing this connection, they’ll most likely will question themselves why the heck they felt aroused while they were around you. Attraction has to come from various sources - only making her wet literally won’t let her keep the attraction (this would work for men most of the time, but women mostly need much more than purely physical attraction - especially _after_ you are gone). ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2008, 11:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/problems-with-androstenone-attraction-do-they-feel-duped/15250/4 "2008-07-10T11:29:55Z")
> [@](#): > > its like they wake up the next morning "omg!!! i feel cheated and scammed! did that guy put some magic spray on me? did he try to deceive me? its as if they know what youre up to and hate you because of it, that u tricked them into liking u…OR…they question y they were attracted to u, “he aint normally the guy i go for??? so what was that attraction all about? omg! yuck! i dont even like that guy” They dont feel any of those feelings I can pretty much guarantee it. They have no ideal that mones caused attraction and they probably dont even realize they are giving signs of attraction. You have to remember mones just give you a edge. They open a door but you have to walk though that door and make a lasting impression. They are only one small part of attraction. This is also another reason we alway stress how important the social mones are. Men go right for the juggler with the sexual mones and skip the socials. Arousal will leave a lasting impression on a guy but not on a women. Women look for feelings of connection and comfort first. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gone_with_the_wind/32/2227_2.png) [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gone_with_the_Wind)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2008, 12:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/problems-with-androstenone-attraction-do-they-feel-duped/15250/5 "2008-07-10T12:12:48Z")
Just for an experiment put the Androstenone away for a while. See what Androsterone does for you. Use [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) as a base. Either go it alone or spike it with Instant Honesty or Instant Openness. Androstenone gives a more transient/physical attraction. Androsterone promotes a more caring/stable/dependable bond. When you understand the effests of both you can add a bit of Androstenone back into your mix for a hint of spice. ---
**Author:** ![Wrlprchnx](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wrlprchnx/32/1360_2.png) [@Wrlprchnx](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Wrlprchnx)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2008, 3:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/problems-with-androstenone-attraction-do-they-feel-duped/15250/6 "2008-07-10T15:08:36Z")
> [@bubblebob](#): > > Just a theory of mine: > > Androstenone makes them physically aroused while you are around them, and it’s gone as soon as you are gone. And that exactly is the problem! Androstenone only provides the physical background - to let her remember you and let her wanting to see you again, you actually have to attract her mind and heart as well. You have to establish some kind of inner connection. If you don’t succeed in establishing this connection, they’ll most likely will question themselves why the heck they felt aroused while they were around you. Attraction has to come from various sources - only making her wet literally won’t let her keep the attraction (this would work for men most of the time, but women mostly need much more than purely physical attraction - especially _after_ you are gone). DING DING DING, reps for you - It’s totally true, if you don’t properly establish a mental/emotional connection then afterwards they will wake up with the “why did I give that guy my number” feeling - If you have never read Mystery Method I would suggest it… he talks in detail about that exact problem (interest when they see you going away when you’re gone) ---
**Author:** ![Carrie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/carrie/32/1537_2.png) [@Carrie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Carrie)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2008, 4:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/problems-with-androstenone-attraction-do-they-feel-duped/15250/7 "2008-07-10T16:32:11Z")
> [@bubblebob](#): > > Just a theory of mine: > > Androstenone makes them physically aroused while you are around them, and it’s gone as soon as you are gone. And that exactly is the problem! Androstenone only provides the physical background - to let her remember you and let her wanting to see you again, you actually have to attract her mind and heart as well. You have to establish some kind of inner connection. If you don’t succeed in establishing this connection, they’ll most likely will question themselves why the heck they felt aroused while they were around you. Attraction has to come from various sources - only making her wet literally won’t let her keep the attraction (this would work for men most of the time, but women mostly need much more than purely physical attraction - especially _after_ you are gone). this is right on! ---
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2008, 7:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/problems-with-androstenone-attraction-do-they-feel-duped/15250/8 "2008-07-10T19:13:22Z")
> [@bubblebob](#): > > Just a theory of mine: > > Androstenone makes them physically aroused while you are around them, and it’s gone as soon as you are gone. And that exactly is the problem! Androstenone only provides the physical background - to let her remember you and let her wanting to see you again, you actually have to attract her mind and heart as well. You have to establish some kind of inner connection. If you don’t succeed in establishing this connection, they’ll most likely will question themselves why the heck they felt aroused while they were around you. Attraction has to come from various sources - only making her wet literally won’t let her keep the attraction (this would work for men most of the time, but women mostly need much more than purely physical attraction - especially _after_ you are gone). AND > [@tisha23](#): > > They dont feel any of those feelings I can pretty much guarantee it. They have no ideal that pheromones caused attraction and they probably dont even realize they are giving signs of attraction. > > You have to remember pheromones just give you a edge. They open a door but you have to walk though that door and make a lasting impression. They are only one small part of attraction. > > This is also another reason we alway stress how important the social pheromones are. Men go right for the juggler with the sexual pheromones and skip the socials. Arousal will leave a lasting impression on a guy but not on a women. Women look for feelings of connection and comfort first. > > Tisha +1 Either that or seal the deal that night and leave a different lasting impression. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![LaPew](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lapew/32/330_2.png) [@LaPew](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LaPew)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2008, 7:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/problems-with-androstenone-attraction-do-they-feel-duped/15250/9 "2008-07-10T19:36:00Z")
The advice to never underestimate the value of socials is something I would echo. As far as the feeling of being duped goes, the women involved are the only ones that could give you a definitive answer. However, Tisha is very pheromone conversant so her opinion should be held accordingly. One very preliminary hypothesis I have about -none (via Turn Up The Heat) is because of the message it conveys it can lead to feelings of resentment in some women. When you send off a signal of strong attraction but don’t act with congruence, it can create a subconscious sense of disbelief. What happened is that I would be at bar/club and strike up a very casual conversation with a girl, become bored/feel it wasn’t going anywhere and politely excuse myself. Nothing out of the ordinary and something I’ve done countless times in the absence of -none. However, the times I wore a very small Turn Up The Heat and did the exact same thing the women in question gave me a wtf? look followed by a chilly reception upon seeing me again. Now this could be just coincidence but thus far has been my experience with small amounts of Turn Up The Heat.\* \*(I was also wearing 1-2X [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) and 2-2X Instant shine.) ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2008, 8:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/problems-with-androstenone-attraction-do-they-feel-duped/15250/10 "2008-07-10T20:11:39Z")
> [@](#): > > so im amazed at the number of occasions that ive worn Ammo and got stellar sexual attraction…and then they just wont get back to you when u try to call them, or they wont reply to your facebook messages??? what gives man? it happens almost every time… Ha! I had that same problem all the time before I used mones! Oddly, less now that I use them. However I too have been guilty of the same crime. Not proud of it either as it’s flaky but typical human behavior. Many times I’ve met women at a party or bar and teased them hoping to get lucky. But merely end up with their phone number and/or email/IM. Hot damn, the next day I’m not horny anymore, or drunk, and can’t for the life of me think of a reason to call them. And some actually liked me and started IM and calling, so I feel like an ass. So I pretend I just wanna be friends… As for use of androstenone, I must say if anything, my use of it has made me much more memorable in a sexual sense to women. It seems to draw them back like flies to shit. TE and NPA have been especially effective in this sense, not so much Ammo. Ammo has proved to be a nice social/work mix but isn’t very openly sexual or memorable. Of course that’s my persona and body chemistry, and everybody is different. ---
**Author:** ![mahalo\_silver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8dc957/32.png) [@mahalo\_silver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mahalo_silver)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2008, 2:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/problems-with-androstenone-attraction-do-they-feel-duped/15250/11 "2008-07-11T14:54:14Z")
> [@LaPew](#): > > The advice to never underestimate the value of socials is something I would echo. > > As far as the feeling of being duped goes, the women involved are the only ones that could give you a definitive answer. > However, Tisha is very pheromone conversant so her opinion should be held accordingly. > > One very preliminary hypothesis I have about -none (via Turn Up The Heat) is because of the message it conveys it can lead to feelings of resentment in some women. > When you send off a signal of strong attraction but don’t act with congruence, it can create a subconscious sense of disbelief. > > What happened is that I would be at bar/club and strike up a very casual conversation with a girl, become bored/feel it wasn’t going anywhere and politely excuse myself. > Nothing out of the ordinary and something I’ve done countless times in the absence of -none. > However, the times I wore a very small Turn Up The Heat and did the exact same thing the women in question gave me a wtf? look followed by a chilly reception upon seeing me again. > Now this could be just coincidence but thus far has been my experience with small amounts of Turn Up The Heat.\* > > \*(I was also wearing 1-2X Instant Openness and 2-2X Instant shine.) I have reached this very same conclusion as Lapew, and it only happens with -none products as GWTW states. Having used Androstenone products for over a year now, i have observed this same pattern of an unusual and somewhat extreme hostility or resentment, if u fail to act congruently with the sexual signature the androstenone is giving off. ok, sure, its mostly about you, but sometimes the -none can create such a powerful attraction in that moment, that if u dont pull a move on the girl, than the subsequent dissapointment turns into disdain and resentment, and it is a much more extreme reaction than in normal, non-mone wearing situations. im convinced of this. so, if the attraction that is influenced by TUH or Ammo or NPA/TE etc. created in that moment, or on that night, is not acted upon by the male, the girl dosen’t give u another chance. as Laphew suggest, "if u r sending off that strong a signal of sedustion or arousal, the subsequent disbelief from the femal can be extreme. it cant possibly be a behaviourial issue in its entirety, as its the same type of out-of-proportion resentment reaction every time i fail to act on a androstenone attraction. its been a very strong pattern. ok, congruence is the key issue, yes, BUT, …and this is the key point im trying to make,… when i dont act congruently with girls who are attracted to me in NON -none [pheromone](https://a314.com/) situations, they dont end up hating me - infact, i normally just become there friends. yes GWTW, a314, IFM, IH etc. have a lot more of a positive memorability factor than -none, ive used them alot and i do understand how they work…but they lack the amazing arousal possibilities of Ammo or TUH, or any other -none product on the night, or in that moment, so its hard to wean myself off androstenone, just gotta be more sexually direct or agressive on the night 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![GuySajer](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/guysajer/32/446_2.png) [@GuySajer](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/GuySajer)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2008, 3:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/problems-with-androstenone-attraction-do-they-feel-duped/15250/12 "2008-07-11T15:24:26Z")
There’s a simple solution… wear your -none products, but mix them with others, to create a good, balanced signature. I’d never go out wearing just Turn Up The Heat. ---
**Author:** ![Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gone_with_the_wind/32/2227_2.png) [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gone_with_the_Wind)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 3:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/problems-with-androstenone-attraction-do-they-feel-duped/15250/13 "2008-07-12T03:52:25Z")
> [@mahalo\_silver](#): > > … > yes GWTW, A314, Instant Female Magic, Instant Honesty etc. have a lot more of a positive memorability factor than -none, ive used them alot and i do understand how they work…but they lack the amazing arousal possibilities of Ammo or TUH, or any other -none product on the night, or in that moment, so its hard to wean myself off androstenone, just gotta be more sexually direct or agressive on the night 🙂 Much of the anone reaction is situational. If you’re a young guy in a pick-up bar, talking to a single lady while covered in Androstenone, and don’t hit on her immediately, she’s going to be wondering what’s up and might be prone to the kind of reaction you’ve recounted. On the other hand, if you encounter her in a place that’s not a pick-up joint, and maintain a gentlemanly demeanor while giving off the same signature, her reaction may be quite different. The reaction depends on how she can conceptualize the encounter. In a pick-up joint everyone knows why everyone else is there. Incongruent actions stand out strongly. In a chance encounter at the opera, she has to wonder and entertain several different possibilities. ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 1:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/problems-with-androstenone-attraction-do-they-feel-duped/15250/14 "2008-07-12T13:57:51Z")
**Some good points made in this thread.** **Mahalo I’ve struggled with the same problem in the past. You could take a look at some of the posts in my compilation thread: \*\*['Pheromones for pickup' strategies](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-for-pickup-strategies/5873) (['Pheromones for pickup' strategies](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-for-pickup-strategies/5873))**. I have pasted some of the more applicable ones from that thread in below. \*\* **First post though below is an old rather controversial classic one from Michael himself. Also MHarris does talk about, in the first page of that thread (\*\*[Evolutionary psychology: -Rone men and -None Men](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/evolutionary-psychology-rone-men-and-none-men/19) ([Evolutionary psychology: -Rone men and -None Men](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/evolutionary-psychology-rone-men-and-none-men/19))**), how important congruence is with regards to Androstenone usage as mentioned in some of the posts above…\*\* > [@Evolutionary psychology: -Rone men and -None Men](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/evolutionary-psychology-rone-men-and-none-men/19/4): > > While everything boils down to our conscious decisions… our minds being given the “final say”… it does seem that we have very STRONG impulses from our genes, and our 7 trillion + cells that express those genes. One conscious mind vs. 7 trillion cells often singing in harmony for food, sex and other basic things. It can be tough to override for some, I imagine. Not me, though, I’m tough. My brain cells kick the ass of my bodily urges cells. I can’t say I’ve EVER lost control, even once in my li… MHarris (October 1, 2005): "Quote: Originally Posted by **Aurelie** _I can grasp this in theory. More than that even, I can see how that can happen. Women getting bored with their reasonable, nurturing spouse and choosing a “bad boy” to have a fling with. Not that I approve of it, to the contrary. I’m just saying I can see why some women would do that._ While everything boils down to our conscious decisions… our minds being given the “final say”… it does seem that we have very STRONG impulses from our genes, and our 7 trillion + cells that express those genes. One conscious mind vs. 7 trillion cells often singing in harmony for food, sex and other basic things. It can be tough to override for some, I imagine. Not me, though, I’m tough. My brain cells kick the ass of my bodily urges cells. I can’t say I’ve EVER lost control, even once in my life. Quote: Originally Posted by **Aurelie** _BUT! I really don’t believe they will go as far as having offspring with the “bad boy” and then have the “nurturer” raise the child as his own. This might have happened in the Middle Ages, but nowadays they have contraceptives._ That’s the beauty of evolutionary psychology. Evolutionary psychologist is based on what is, rather than what people say. It’s very subterfuge, very low BS. It’s reality + psychology, and is probably the one of the first forms of psychology that’s actually kind of useful since it has such a strong basis in fact. In fact, in my experiences, I never remember any woman asking for me to wear protection in extremely heated situations where there was enormous sexual chemistry. If my brain wasn’t so good at ruining “heat in the moment” events for me, I’m certain they would’ve worked out different than they did. I’m positive, from those experiences, that MANY (not all, just many) normal men and have some pretty intense, protection free sex when there’s a high -none man and an ovulating, on the prowl woman. Quote: Originally Posted by **Aurelie** _From a psychological point of view I cannot even remotely imagine living such a lie day in day out with my spouse! I have never met a woman who was in that situation either._ Really?? Plenty of my female friends admit to having protection free sex **with men they absolutely hate the next day.** This is talked about in David Buss’ work, and seems to be the typical high -none male / ovulating female interaction. High -none guys, you get a mad rush, a mad thrill from, you do things with them that are extremely heated… very in the moment… and potentially irresponsible… **and then you often hate them and maybe even hate yourself a little, the next day. Typical pattern.** You see this a lot in popular culture, too. TV shows and movies. Seems to be a universal experience, it’s just that David Buss took the time to put more didatic research into it, and write it out explicitly." [Replacement for NPA?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/replacement-for-npa/492/66) tacitus (August 4, 2006): " **You’re not intrigued by my sodomy combo ? For shame, grashopper!** anyway… it goes like this… you need an orange light bulb… so on the pheromone front I discover the two phase technique, this one works like a charm… first, mix up you massage oil, silicone oil is preferred, with a large dose of [androstenone](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/)… like 5 milligrams in a four ounce bottle… you’ll use at least 1/4 of the bottle at one time, so we’re looking at 1.2 milligrams being moderately released from the silicone as you massage it into the naked, glistening skin… YUM!!! [![](https://pheromonetalk.com/pheromone-theory/images/smilies/tongue.gif) ](https://pheromonetalk.com/pheromone-theory/images/smilies/tongue.gif) [![](https://pheromonetalk.com/pheromone-theory/images/smilies/tongue.gif) ](https://pheromonetalk.com/pheromone-theory/images/smilies/tongue.gif) second, you make a small quantity of quick release, combined with a great fragrance, mostly alcohol based… [TAA](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/molecule-a/), [TAH](https://pheromonelabs.com/) (a superior twosome), Alpha Androstenol, a little A-1, and some alpha-Androsterone … so right before you get down you pre-blast with the quick release mix, this causes wonderful feelings of connection, appreciation, emotional sensuality, very healing energy… **THEN… once the mood is established… start to shlother on the powerfully sexual -none scented oil… the mood will begin to shift, in a dramatic fashion if you are attuned to these things, to really dirty filthy sex inspirations…** now you will need the light from your orange bulb to see what you are doing, or contemplate doing… \*\*Why does this one-two punch work so well ? So much better than loading it all in a single application ? I think because of the two edged quality that -none has… until she is in the right frame of mind, the \*\***[ tisha23 (February 6, 2008): “Ahhh Thats just my point. You cant Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/). [instant shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) is another. the guys i know that are either around it or wearing just come off as happy…going on..carefree which is VERY sexxay! i happen to have a dose of [Turn Up The Heat](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/) that is a little much for me,but when properly diluted,its hot. my only problem with it is that it works on me with people i know, not with people im not close to .”androstenone ([Turn Up the Heat – Sensual Pheromone Spray Cologne for Men - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/)) heavy mixes because they are going for a sexual mix. the problem with [androstenone](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/) to me is that its a very caveman/instant jerk feel to it. i get the feeling of cockiness, arrogance,i want you for 10 minutes and then go away.** \*\*when you use pheromixes like [instant shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) , [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/), [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/), [CTTM](https://a314.com/product/come-talk-to-me-cttm/), sunshine… these are the social “im fun your fun lets be fun together” mixes. i want to chat you up this way. im feelin ya,converation is happenin’, maybe we could hang in a more private place…this is when i would spring the [Turn Up The Heat](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/)! at this point [Turn Up The Heat](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/) is interpreted as sexual tension, because it wasnt there before i met you. theres no “i was going to have sex with or without you”… i hope i am comming across, i have trouble expressing my ideas when im excited on a topic! \*\*”Turn Up The Heat ([Turn Up the Heat – Sensual Pheromone Spray Cologne for Men - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/)) even though it went smoothly during conversation and now you are at a private place where both agreed to be? Maybe the girl wanted to have sex with the guy with [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) signature and now that you are a guy with -none signature she doesn’t want to?? Ammunition ([AMMO – Sexual Attraction Pheromone Cologne For Men - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/ammo/)) was used instead of [Turn Up The Heat](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/) in the private scenario, will that be perceived as lower and not enough sexual tension? Ammo ([AMMO – Sexual Attraction Pheromone Cologne For Men - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/ammo/)) _for all i know_ may have more 'none in it than [Turn Up The Heat](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/). i dont know what it has, all i know is that i have the “shiny” version of it, and i think “player…hottie…fun…NOT just a friend…” i still think [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) has plenty if not ALOT of sexual tension,but it doesnt feel to me to be something only used for special situations. remember too that these are just my experiences so i know other people dont have the same theories. alot of this to me is _timing_, like you have dinner **then** dessert, instead of “lets have dessert and hopefully you’ll know i meant to offer dinner but i didnt think about it. hey,look! whipped cream!” ”Primal Instinct ([Raw Power – Fierce Male Sexual Intensity - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/raw-power/)), [Turn Up The Heat](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/)) seems to be enough to generate good feelings in them! Are they thinking sex, or are they thinking this is a fun guy to be around?Turn Up The Heat ([Turn Up the Heat – Sensual Pheromone Spray Cologne for Men - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/)) feeling. i think more credit should be placed on \*\*you \*\*as an individual,as a personality, and the [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) just steered the direction somewhat. men think women think like they do (which is natural as **we do it too** ) so i would be thinking ,if i were a man, that i need to stop thinking she is thinking sex,_ **especially** _ if we just met, and think she is not in the same mental space. getting along with you on all other topics doesnt mean great she must want to have sex had to say that, i know you dont think that! [Turn up the heat worn to work](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/turn-up-the-heat-worn-to-work/2775/12) ([Turn up the heat worn to work](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/turn-up-the-heat-worn-to-work/2775/12))Turn Up The Heat ([Turn Up the Heat – Sensual Pheromone Spray Cologne for Men - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/)) + [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/). _gets up and faints again_ Justy, congrats on your first day! Let’s get you steered in the right direction. **Your lovergirl might have already felt strange that day, and the overpowering phero signature totally couldn’t have helped at all - it might have really driven in some discomfort.** **Little did you know, that your phero signature hopped up on a soapbox, grabbed a loudspeaker, pointed at lovergirl’s face, shouted very loud and clear, “ME WANT SEX NOW.”** **_That_ is what a -none** [**[Turn Up The Heat](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/)**/'none communicate something like… leaving your pants unzipped and showing part of your penis. Some women, especially ovulating ones, ones on the prowl, 30+ single ladies, and the testosterone pumped horndog girls (there are some girls like that out there!), will be super aroused, giggly, and way into that.\*\* **On the flipside, wear that same dose around a mommy, an married woman, someone who has very very strong/repressed social filters, and anyone who is in the middle of the wrong context (like at work or church) might hit you with their purse and call you a cad!**” ([Turn Up the Heat – Sensual Pheromone Spray Cologne for Men - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/)) ([Pharmacodynamics - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharmacodynamics))Turn Up The Heat ([Turn Up the Heat – Sensual Pheromone Spray Cologne for Men - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/)) users, I totally recommend tempering it with Shine (or other feel good phero blends). You’ll get a good feel of the energy and heat of [Turn Up The Heat](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/), and you’ll soon learn that it’s possible to wear it in an assortment of situations. Spend a week or two with is and see how it jibes with your body chemistry, and then you’ll have a really good idea of how it will work out and about. **You CAN use a smidge - and I’m talking _smidge_ here - in casual situations.** **Think of it this way.** [Turn Up The Heat](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/)\*\*\*\* says, “I’m going to have sex!”. You can wear too much and freak people out, _OR_ you can wear a tiny dash, stir up some sexual mystique, and layer it with some feel good pheros so people associate feeling good and feeling aroused with you!\*\* Sound good? Give me a call if you have Qs. Your gift cert is turning up the heat in your inbox ” ([Turn Up the Heat – Sensual Pheromone Spray Cologne for Men - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/))[EST puts my man in the mood for love - #77 by MadisonTate](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/est-puts-my-man-in-the-mood-for-love/7637/77) ([EST puts my man in the mood for love - #77 by MadisonTate](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/est-puts-my-man-in-the-mood-for-love/7637/77))**[**[**[** [OD](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharmacodynamics) **for a guy who is just meeting a woman, is useful once activity has begun.** **Timing is important. Associations are important** …” ([Pharmacodynamics - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharmacodynamics)) ([Turn Up the Heat – Sensual Pheromone Spray Cologne for Men - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/)) ([Turn Up the Heat – Sensual Pheromone Spray Cologne for Men - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/)) ([Turn Up the Heat – Sensual Pheromone Spray Cologne for Men - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/))[EST puts my man in the mood for love - #79 by tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/est-puts-my-man-in-the-mood-for-love/7637/79) ([EST puts my man in the mood for love - #79 by tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/est-puts-my-man-in-the-mood-for-love/7637/79))OD ([Pharmacodynamics - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharmacodynamics)) on cops, you can however not use enough to evoke a response. **While heavy [Androstenone](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/) early is not sexual,** heavy cops are. Tisha” ([Turn Up the Heat – Sensual Pheromone Spray Cologne for Men - Alpha A314](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/)) (http:///) ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 5:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/problems-with-androstenone-attraction-do-they-feel-duped/15250/15 "2008-07-12T17:46:06Z")
I read about 30% of children born in American hospitals don’t match the blood type of the father listed on the birth certificate. I don’t know if the biological father is a bad boy or the postman, but those unspoken urges are just strong as they were in the middle ages. ---
**Author:** ![bubblebob](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bubblebob/32/2120_2.png) [@bubblebob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bubblebob)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 7:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/problems-with-androstenone-attraction-do-they-feel-duped/15250/16 "2008-07-12T19:08:45Z")
Wow, great collection as always Mr. Goog… eehh… Visionary! 😉 @Gegogi: I’ve heard of 10% (forgot where) - but either way it’s more than many people would have thought I guess… ---
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2008, 7:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/problems-with-androstenone-attraction-do-they-feel-duped/15250/17 "2008-07-12T19:54:25Z")
That..should clear up any ambiguities Visionoogle. That might be my new nickname for you. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gone_with_the_wind/32/2227_2.png) [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gone_with_the_Wind)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2008, 12:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/problems-with-androstenone-attraction-do-they-feel-duped/15250/18 "2008-07-13T00:49:26Z")
> [@Gegogi](#): > > I read about 30% of children born in American hospitals don’t match the blood type of the father listed on the birth certificate. I don’t know if the biological father is a bad boy or the postman, but those unspoken urges are just strong as they were in the middle ages. Human urges haven’t changed much through history. Science has though. I confirmed my kids by DNA sequencing. Romantic, isn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![smoothplayer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e0b2c6/32.png) [@smoothplayer](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/smoothplayer)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2008, 4:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/problems-with-androstenone-attraction-do-they-feel-duped/15250/19 "2008-07-13T04:18:53Z")
I personally think it’s that you’re wearing TOO MUCH androstenone. I’ve never had this problem with Ammo or NPA, but with PI I experienced this. I soon realized that PI was too much androstenone for me to feel congruent with. ---
**Author:** ![K24](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/k24/32/1513_2.png) [@K24](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/K24)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2008, 4:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/problems-with-androstenone-attraction-do-they-feel-duped/15250/20 "2008-07-13T04:54:18Z")
when you wear pure -none with no other buffer, you are projecting one simple message, you are looking for sexual, aggressive, animalistic hits, good for one night stand, nightclubs, and bars, good for use with your partner because the attraction’s already there. that’s why products like ammo is buffered so you can use it at more places and the hits and IOIs are more subtle and slow, the message may not be as strong as tuth but it has its use. [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/problems-with-androstenone-attraction-do-they-feel-duped/15250.md?page=2)