# Product 'nones & 'nols? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [December 13, 2006, 10:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/product-nones-nols/1134 "2006-12-13T10:05:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Dakota](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dakota/32/951_2.png) [@Dakota](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Dakota)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2006, 10:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/product-nones-nols/1134/1 "2006-12-13T10:05:59Z")
I really like the way Androtics package and market each product so that it’s easy to identify its effect and use. **I would like to put together a list of the most common [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) and highlight which Androtics products contain them, and in what proportion.** This would greatly help my understanding of the products and aid in creating my own mixes which is a direction I wish to head in further down the line. As I understand it, at the one end of the scale we have the darker/sexual pheromones based around androstenone, and at the other lighter fun end we have products based around androstenol - correct? The gap in my knowledge becomes apparent when people start talking about derivatives like beta-androstenol etc. I had a quick search but couldn’t find such a list already. Anyone able to start us off? 🆒 D. ---
**Author:** ![Bunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Bunny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bunny)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2006, 11:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/product-nones-nols/1134/2 "2006-12-13T11:07:31Z")
It’s actually nowhere as simple as you are making it unfortunately, as many of the products us WOMEN use for sexual purposes for example, are in fact -nol-dominant. The best thing to do,would be to just go through the threads of each of the main forums here (the men’s and the women’s) and from that you will definitely very quickly pick up on what each gender uses, and for what particular purpose(s). The pheromone world is ever-expanding, and while many of Michael’s products do obviously have the traditional -none and -nol content, there are so many new pheromones, such as TAH and TAL for us gals, and TAC, TAK etc. for you guys, that really, you need to do a fair bit of reading, because breaking it down into -none and -nol, is just WAY too simplistic. Also, as you will see, most of us old-hands at pheromone usage tell people who are new to the pheromone world, not to be tempted to try mixes, or even wearing one product in tandem with another, until you have used a product on its own substantially to get an idea of its effects. This is why Michael encourages all new people to try the products in the Instant line first of all, as all the hard work has been done for you, the consumer, and you will very quickly learn what the products do for you. Then..once you have that down-pat, you can start to experiment with the various individual components. Beta-Nol which you mentioned, is a pheromone which makes people tend to tell you their deepest, darkest secrets, and has a “best-friend” vibe to it - even with people you’ve just met. To try that effect, which is staggering when you actually witness it for the first time, you have it already dosed correctly and in instant form in IH. Just pay close attention on application of this product, as if you do NOT want to share your deepest, darkest secrets, and only want it to affect those around you, stick with spraying it into the hair, or at the back of the neck, as if you spray it on the front of the neck or on your face, you will end up a blathering bunny - seriously. Ail 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Dakota](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dakota/32/951_2.png) [@Dakota](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Dakota)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2006, 1:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/product-nones-nols/1134/3 "2006-12-15T01:55:53Z")
Thank you for taking the time to provide such a long response - I learnt a couple of new things there! 🙂 So from what you say, Beta-Androstenol is evidently the main (only?) pheromeone present in [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/).. What I am trying to create is s single reference point listing that information for the other products, well, at least the ones which aren’t kept hush hush! My mind is inquisitive.. if something is having an effect for me I want to attribute it to the chemical at the root level as opposed to a pre-labelled product name. Nothing against the Androtics product names of course - I love you guys! 😃 So to start my list we have: **Instant Honesty** - _Beta-Androstenol_ Anyone able to help with more? 🆒 D. ---
**Author:** ![MarkL](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/markl/32/825_2.png) [@MarkL](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MarkL)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2006, 2:19am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/product-nones-nols/1134/4 "2006-12-15T02:19:00Z")
SPACELAND and [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) both primarily Alpha Androstenol. Come Talk To Me 2 – 50%-%50% alpha and beta Instant Shine is heavy on TAA ---
**Author:** ![Carrie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/carrie/32/1537_2.png) [@Carrie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Carrie)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2006, 4:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/product-nones-nols/1134/5 "2006-12-15T04:08:39Z")
TUTH and Raw Power and [Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/) \>\> mainly androstenone. Dirty \>\> 'none and copulins. IFM \>\> contains androstadienone plus other things ---
**Author:** ![MHarris](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mharris/32/2107_2.png) [@MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MHarris)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2006, 5:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/product-nones-nols/1134/6 "2006-12-15T05:11:15Z")
Yeah, Ail makes some very good points. Not everything is so easy to delineate, especially when it comes to our social reality. Many people buy fancy cars and clothes to be more sexually attractive, for instance… but do they ever call a particularly stunning shirt “The Shirt of Eros”? Not everything is directly sexual, but it doesn’t mean it can’t aid. [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) refers to what it does to people’s mouths, but it doesn’t mean some people won’t feel attracted under it’s influence. (many women, after all, find it appealing to have a man in their life that they can TALK to) I personally find that Instant Shine is aphrodisiac like around people who really enjoy having a good time. Especially younger women, who shirk anything “serious” (and therefore might not find A314 as appealing as an older, more stable woman does) There are many indirect paths to sexuality. In fact, I’d say that _most paths_ to sex are not so direct. A women looking to marry, for instance, has a whole laundry list of qualifiers… often with the necessity that you are a good, stable provider. You have to live a full life and become a very successful individual in order to fulfill that qualifier! (sure, A314 is a bit of shortcut, but, you get the point) ---
**Author:** ![Dakota](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dakota/32/951_2.png) [@Dakota](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Dakota)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2006, 3:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/product-nones-nols/1134/7 "2006-12-17T15:45:37Z")
> [@MHarris](#): > > Yeah, Ail makes some very good points. Not everything is so easy to delineate, especially when it comes to our social reality. > > Many people buy fancy cars and clothes to be more sexually attractive, for instance… but do they ever call a particular stunning shirt “The Shirt of Eros”? I understand where you are both coming from however, it is in my nature to want dissect things down to their component parts. In the case of your products I personally find it helpful knowing where the overlaps lie. So, so far we have: **Instant Honesty** - _Beta Androstenol_ **Instant Shine** _- TAA_ **Instant Openness** _- Alpha Androstenol_ **Spaceland** _- Alpha Androstenol_ **[Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/)** _- Androstadienone_ **Ammunition (v1.5)** _- Androstenone_ _- Androsterone_ _- Androstenol_ _- TAA_ **Turn Up The Heat** _- Androstenone_ **Come Talk To Me 2** _- Alpha Androstenol (50%)_ _- Beta Androstenol (50%)_ **Instant Jerk** _- Androstenone_ _- Copulins_ **Raw Power** _- Androstenone_ **Dirty** _- Androstenone_ _- Copulins_ Anyone able to help expand on the above? 🆒 D. ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2006, 3:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/product-nones-nols/1134/8 "2006-12-17T15:51:57Z")
IJ has cops too. ---
**Author:** ![Dakota](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dakota/32/951_2.png) [@Dakota](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Dakota)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2006, 4:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/product-nones-nols/1134/9 "2006-12-17T16:06:38Z")
> [@PheroQuirk](#): > > Instant Jerk has cops too. Updated - thank you. I will keep making changes to the above list from here on in to save repeating it! 🆒 D. ---
**Author:** ![terry0400-40](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/terry0400-40/32/1915_2.png) [@terry0400-40](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/terry0400-40)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2006, 5:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/product-nones-nols/1134/10 "2006-12-17T17:14:15Z")
> [@Dakota](#): > > I understand where you are both coming from however, it is in my nature to want dissect things down to their component parts. In the case of your products I personally find it helpful knowing where the overlaps lie. > > So, so far we have: > > **Instant Honesty** > > - _Beta Androstenol_ > > **Instant Shine** > _- TAA_ > > **Instant Openness** > _- Alpha Androstenol_ > > **Spaceland** > _- Alpha Androstenol_ > > **Instant Female Magic** > _- Androstadienone_ > > **Turn Up The Heat** > _- Androstenone_ > > **Come Talk To Me 2** > _- Alpha Androstenol (50%)_ > _- Beta Androstenol (50%)_ > > **Instant Jerk** > _- Androstenone_ > _- Copulins_ > > **Raw Power** > _- Androstenone_ > > **Dirty** > _- Androstenone_ > _- Copulins_ > > Anyone able to help expand on the above? > > 🆒 > > D. This is a really good infomative post im going to store it for future ref.🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2006, 5:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/product-nones-nols/1134/11 "2006-12-17T17:46:47Z")
We should sticky this thread I think… ---
**Author:** ![Dakota](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dakota/32/951_2.png) [@Dakota](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Dakota)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2006, 5:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/product-nones-nols/1134/12 "2006-12-17T17:47:01Z")
> [@terry0400-40](#): > > This is a really good infomative post im going to store it for future ref.🙂 Thank you - I’m hoping once a few more people contribute we will be able to create a comprehensive list! 🙂 🆒 D. ---
**Author:** ![Dakota](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dakota/32/951_2.png) [@Dakota](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Dakota)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2006, 1:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/product-nones-nols/1134/13 "2006-12-18T13:45:52Z")
Just updated the list with Ammunition! At a glance I can now see that both Ammuniton and Shine contain TAA so mixing Shine & Ammunition isn’t really nececssary unless I wanted to enhance the TAA.. MHarris/Jasmin do you see why I want to create this list now? 🙂 🆒 D. ---
**Author:** ![Bunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Bunny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bunny)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2006, 1:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/product-nones-nols/1134/14 "2006-12-18T13:57:41Z")
It doesn’t matter in the slightest if you use more than one product containing similar components or pheromones. You are just varying the effects by the proportions used, when you do so. Bear in mind too, that with the Putatives, Experimental Mixes and Experimones, it is up to US to report the results to Michael and everybody else, and you will not ever be able to get a comprehensive list of what is in each product pheromone-wise. Michael simply doesn’t give up that information - and for many obvious reasons. This is really only going to help you with products where some information has been gleaned or disclosed, but it’s all about trying it for yourself to see just what results you achieve, as everybody’s body chemistry is unique, and that’s why many people report different findings, even though they are trialling the self-same products. Ail 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Dakota](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dakota/32/951_2.png) [@Dakota](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Dakota)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2006, 2:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/product-nones-nols/1134/15 "2006-12-18T14:23:22Z")
> [@Ail](#): > > You are just varying the effects by the proportions used, when you do so. Precisely! That is exactly why I find this useful because it gives me an overall picture of what’s in what (I want to add doses at a later stage). > [@Ail](#): > > will not ever be able to get a comprehensive list of what is in each product pheromone-wise. Michael simply doesn’t give up that information - and for many obvious reasons. I appreciate that and it’s fine.. however a list for the ones which have been revealed is useful in its own right even if it isn’t comprehensive of every single mix and test product. > [@Ail](#): > > This is really only going to help you with products where some information has been gleaned or disclosed That’s exactly the information I want which is why I am doing it! There isn’t yet a post where all this information is collated. I understand where you are coming from however \ ***I** \*find this information helpful so I assume there is a good chance others will as well. If somebody else had made this post and I read it when I first came here then my original purchase choices would have been very different. 🆒 D. ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2007, 10:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/product-nones-nols/1134/16 "2007-02-16T10:18:44Z")
> [@MHarris](#): > > I personally find that Instant Shine is aphrodisiac like around people who really enjoy having a good time. Especially younger women, who shirk anything “serious” (and therefore might not find A314 as appealing as an older, more stable woman does) > > There are many indirect paths to sexuality. In fact, I’d say that _most paths_ to sex are not so direct. > > A women looking to marry, for instance, has a whole laundry list of qualifiers… often with the necessity that you are a good, stable provider. You have to live a full life and become a very successful individual in order to fulfill that qualifier! (sure, A314 is a bit of shortcut, but, you get the point) “Younger women” in this post refers to… women under 30 ? or under 25? ---
**Author:** ![Carrie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/carrie/32/1537_2.png) [@Carrie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Carrie)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2007, 5:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/product-nones-nols/1134/17 "2007-02-16T17:02:05Z")
> [@Phoenix](#): > > “Younger women” in this post refers to… women under 30 ? or under 25? There’s no magic number. Maybe in practical terms it refers to women who are not interested in stability and responsibility in a man, i.e., women who are not ready to settle down, or _girls who just wanna have fun_! If at 22 she is looking for someone to have a family with, A314 might appeal to her. If at 35 she still prefers bad boys and finds well-adjusted high-achieving guys not exciting enough, she probably won’t like A314. ---
**Author:** ![Pharcyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b2d939/32.png) [@Pharcyde](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pharcyde)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2007, 1:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/product-nones-nols/1134/18 "2007-02-20T01:30:47Z")
> [@Phoenix](#): > > We should sticky this thread I think… yep (45678)