# Products from all sources that have been duds, e.g. Chikara, Pheromol Factor, Perception **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [January 19, 2009, 5:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/products-from-all-sources-that-have-been-duds-e-g-chikara-pheromol-factor-perception/25073 "2009-01-19T17:23:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![mahalo\_silver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8dc957/32.png) [@mahalo\_silver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mahalo_silver)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2009, 5:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/products-from-all-sources-that-have-been-duds-e-g-chikara-pheromol-factor-perception/25073/1 "2009-01-19T17:23:05Z")
Just interested to get a view of peoples different experiences of products that have not proven successful in there personal experiences. For me, it has been 1. Chikara - never forget a party where was doing great with girls el naturale, then i put this masterpiece on and cleared the friggin’ party. they literally HATED me. Then again, got a hit or two off it at other times, but who needs wild inconsistency? whats side of the bed is it waking up on? 2. Scent of Eros - spacing occurs for me frequently when i used to wear it. have tried it with ammo and AE combo’s too to no avail. maked me feel and act giddy. its much stronger than IO, perhaps approaching Spaceland? somewhere in between. Hate the smell. maybe i got a dud bottle. 3. [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) - found 1 use for it only in an IFM combo. 4. CTTM2 - does npothing to add to my mixes. very dissapointing. 5. PBS and Synchronicity - products from an OP. too strong, badly dosed, gives me headaches and worse…great great scents if u can stomach the potency. apparent hit missiles if reports r to be believed. 6. Perception - got there free samples. y have they been free for 2 years? tahts enuff to ring alarm bells. 7. Pheromol Factor -A-nol heavy. just a personal alergy of mine i guess. dont have this issue with any other molecule. Chikaras confusing . I WANT to like it as i love the scent, and while many diss it, it still has alot of fans. Scent of Eros dudded me despite the great feedback it generally gets. dunno? just dont get too much out of any alpha androstenol heavy mixes, probably y PF dudded me to. **average mx’s:** 1. mx113 - od’d easy. IG helped it. 2. mx148 - very argumenative with a girl, she was doing the arguing and being too honest to the pt. of being rude. 3. mx 222 - dunno, havent noticed nought. **were good to excellent, but now just pissing me off:** 1. the too mild effect of p74 - maybe i really need to ramp the dose up. 2. IH double strength. cant xplain y, but single strength was THAT much more affective. 3. p79 - just plain weird. dunno exactly its role. goes great with IS and sometimes with Ammo but juts too argumentative and erratic. 4. tal - thinking TAH doing the job all on its own without much need from TAH. 5. mx103 - erratic. excellent at the first 5 trials way back, then erratic. 6. IG - i find guys take the piss out of me, but is great with Ammo. ---
**Author:** ![mahalo\_silver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8dc957/32.png) [@mahalo\_silver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mahalo_silver)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2009, 5:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/products-from-all-sources-that-have-been-duds-e-g-chikara-pheromol-factor-perception/25073/2 "2009-01-19T17:32:04Z")
I like the concept behind “all in one” products that LS seem to specialise in re-selling. a. u save money. b. its the scientist in us all to come up with the perfect mix. c. which is why some of these MX’s should become mainstream products. Because then people can find there favourite combo’s already pre-mixed, and wont have to falk out for indiviual molecules all the time. very very excited about the prospect of 292 and PP re-appearing. Along with a few Chemical Romance pre-mixes [149 and 150], you have 4 brilliant new “all in one” mainstream products just like [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/). On a side note, i havent read 1 bad report on mx149 or mx150. All experienced users who tried them really really loved it. To me? 150 is my number 1 pick of all time. So if all reports were amazing, y did it dissapear so quickly? ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2009, 6:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/products-from-all-sources-that-have-been-duds-e-g-chikara-pheromol-factor-perception/25073/3 "2009-01-19T18:06:03Z")
If you hate the scent of SOE, try the unscented version. SOE has been one of my steady successes for the past 5 years. C7 didn’t do jack for me and I went through 2 bottles. Actually if I spiked it with NPA or TE it worked pretty good but that defeats the concept of an all-in-one product. Smells like a cheap body spray to me. Perception didn’t do much for me either, and I had the two bottle combo with sealing “matrix” and separate scent component. Because it is water based fungus started growing inside after a month. The atomizers were really cheap and leaked. Totally bogus product design. > [@](#): > > 1. Instant Gentleman - i find guys take the piss out of me, but is great with Ammo. Hopefully this is a typo. I wouldn’t wanna discuss golden showers on a mone board. ---
**Author:** ![ntk23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/65b543/32.png) [@ntk23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ntk23)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2009, 7:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/products-from-all-sources-that-have-been-duds-e-g-chikara-pheromol-factor-perception/25073/4 "2009-01-19T19:06:41Z")
Gegogi, “take the piss” is a British idiom meaning “make fun of” or “take liberties with”. Although it’s probably the punchline to some golden-shower-related jokes somewhere 😃 Mahalo Silver, I guess you’re referring to the “overly nice guy/pushover” effect that some guys have reported wearing IG. In which case probably the bit of -none in Ammo will curb that effect… possibly an androsterone/androstenone ratio thing? ---
**Author:** ![thenoser](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thenoser/32/2199_2.png) [@thenoser](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thenoser)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2009, 7:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/products-from-all-sources-that-have-been-duds-e-g-chikara-pheromol-factor-perception/25073/5 "2009-01-19T19:17:30Z")
scent of eros - this is probably my favorite product because it is so flexible and never have to worry about an od. it can be used alone or spiked with things like npa or a314 with great success. only slight drawback is that i use the unscented and if i do not use cologne with it, will occasionally get a whiff of old socks. chikara - i found this highly effective. the rub here is that it works well on younger women (college aged) and that is too young for me. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2009, 7:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/products-from-all-sources-that-have-been-duds-e-g-chikara-pheromol-factor-perception/25073/6 "2009-01-19T19:25:49Z")
I really like SOE, at least the womens, I never smelled or tried the mens. I am seeing the pattern for what works for you there. As you said moderate to heavy anol products seem to not do it for you. SOE, I believe has ANOL IO CTTM Pheromol Factor One of the two unmentionables has alot of anol. Well at least you know that so its good. Every mone wont work for every person. maybe you make a lot of natural anol or something. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![bubblebob](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bubblebob/32/2120_2.png) [@bubblebob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bubblebob)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2009, 7:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/products-from-all-sources-that-have-been-duds-e-g-chikara-pheromol-factor-perception/25073/7 "2009-01-19T19:33:08Z")
Hmm, I always thought of ‘duds’ as of products that are clearly not working? After your description I wouldn’t categorise SoE as a dud then, because it seems to have had clear effects? Maybe I’m just misunderstanding the ‘dud’ word… 😉 The only thing that I tried and clearly had absolutely no visible effect for me was ‘Liquid Trust’. I went through 1 1/2 bottles and saw absolutely nothing. Sent back the second bottle and made use of the money back guarantee (which I had to remind them of 😃)… I agree on the IG point. It works better for when I masculinize (?) it a little with a spray of Ammo on top. In terms of Androstenol products I found SoE to be the most effective for me. Actually I’ve never seen too much blabbering going on (at least not out of the ordinary) with IO. SoE is very good at melting barriers with younger women IMO. ---
**Author:** ![Bonecrkr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9d8465/32.png) [@Bonecrkr](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bonecrkr)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2009, 12:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/products-from-all-sources-that-have-been-duds-e-g-chikara-pheromol-factor-perception/25073/8 "2009-01-20T00:21:25Z")
Products I’ve had good experience with: Alpha -7 - Very strong, consistant sexual vibe that lasts and lasts. Very good buffering of its -none content (I wear lots without OD). It’s oil based with good, smooth, slow diffusion over at least 8 hours. One of my favorite products. The Edge (unscented) - Pure -none in a form that is relatively easy to control the dose for. Useful for adding -none in controlled doses. None based mixes work well for me. The “bottle” is actually a small metal spray can with a cap. This makes it very useful for carrying around in my jeans pocket without worrying about breakage, leakage etc. NPA - Relatively effective mixed with Aramis cologne. A good reliable way to turn a good cologne into a pheromone product. However, I prefer alpha - 7 or Ammo. Liquid Trust - Not very useful for seduction. But does what it says it does. Useful when you need compliance from someone. Effect is very subtle. You don’t notice anything different. Until you ask for something and they say yes. Effect only last a half an hour or so. Axcite - The one good product I own not sold by AD or LS. Some question about possible patent infringement. Testing shows it to be a legitimate product, however. Not as good as Ammo or alpha -7 in my opinion. Products I’ve had mixed results with: Chikara - I ordered like 10 gel packs of this stuff and have used 6 so far. One time I wore it, I got very good results. The other 5 times, nothing. Others swear by it though. Scent of Eros - More like Scent of let’s be socialable. Effect is similar to wearing Instant Openess with Instant Honesty. People are alot more open, approachable and sociable. No sparks though. Needs -none, in my opinion. I originally got this because someone recommended to me a mix of Scent of Eros, alpha - 7, and Liquid Trust. Alpha - 7 works great on its own and the other two do little to enhance this. But it could just be my particular personality. Alter Ego - When it works, it works great. Works maybe 25% of the time. Go figure. Products the don’t work for me: WAGG-n - Horrible applicator meant for an oil based product (like what A314 and Raw Power use) but it’s not oil based. Very difficult to control the dose. Makes me feel spacey. No noticeable effect on others. Athena X - Very weak pheromone product. It works but the effect is very subtle. Not worth the money. Pherlure - Does NOTHING. Nothing at all. The first product I ever got (and nearly the last one, lol). Strong possibility the supposed main ingredient is a scam (see the hyperlink on Pherlure). All AD products - Top notch. Nothing but good things to say about them. The ones I own are A314, Ammunition, Turn Up the Heat, Raw Power, P83, Instant Openess, Instant Honesty, Instant Shine, [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/). I use A314 and Ammunition the most consistently. If not that, I usually just wear Raw Power. Can’t go wrong with any of these though. ---
**Author:** ![mahalo\_silver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8dc957/32.png) [@mahalo\_silver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mahalo_silver)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 3:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/products-from-all-sources-that-have-been-duds-e-g-chikara-pheromol-factor-perception/25073/9 "2009-02-27T15:25:01Z")
Na guys this thread was after feedback on products people DO NOT like, or products that have failed them. the phrase “DUDS” must have confused somewhat 🙂 . anyways, what other stuff have i tried that dissapointed?..so ive given away my PBS as i kept getting headaches, and would u know it\< the guy loves it and reckons he’s picked up 4 chicks at bars with it tihout any game whatsoever. Other feedback is coming in from the “heavily hyped” AXCITE product. I wore it out tonight and cleared the dance floor in a “u smell of BO” way, not in a "picked up every girl on the dance floor’ way. Smells great like Aqua Di Gio though. The gym rats on there forum speak of it with such euphoric praise that i am quickly reminded of our own, beloved 292. Nothing exceptional in there formulation - -none, rone, androstadienone, b and a-nol, EST, and whatever Androstadienol is??? they claim it “makes the product last longer”…anyways, i gets rave reviews on there own forum, and many of the accolades come from the mods. Not to diss it in any way, it seems legitimate and ive only worn it once. As others have stated already, it appears to be legit., but i had an instant -none oD on 1st test. Will try it again though. ---
**Author:** ![mahalo\_silver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8dc957/32.png) [@mahalo\_silver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mahalo_silver)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 3:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/products-from-all-sources-that-have-been-duds-e-g-chikara-pheromol-factor-perception/25073/10 "2009-02-27T15:31:47Z")
Keep in mind when reading the reviews of Axcite , that its a bodybuilding forum full of fit, buffed, young studs that are probably not representative of your average [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) user on here. so, while some of the reviews there sound incredible, they can also leverage there physiques and youth. ---
**Author:** ![Bonecrkr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9d8465/32.png) [@Bonecrkr](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bonecrkr)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 6:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/products-from-all-sources-that-have-been-duds-e-g-chikara-pheromol-factor-perception/25073/11 "2009-02-27T18:16:48Z")
There are 40 year old, not so fit and buff looking studs (that can lift more than any of those young guys, btw) who’ve tried Axcite too. It’s a decent product. Too expensive for what it is. And there is still the patent infringement issue that hasn’t been cleared up that might make people want to skip it. What it isn’t is as great as the hype makes it out to be. It’s nowhere near in effectiveness as say, [Raw Power](https://a314.com/product/raw-power/) and the new MX 305 and siblings. Like Pherlure, I’m sure none of those guys is getting anything like the reactions they say they are getting. At best, they are keyboard jockeying. At worst, they are paid to say that. But, unlike Pherlure, it’s a real product. Is it a better product than what’s already used commonly? Nope. > [@mahalo\_silver](#): > > Keep in mind when reading the reviews of Axcite , that its a bodybuilding forum full of fit, buffed, young studs that are probably not representative of your average pheromone user on here. so, while some of the reviews there sound incredible, they can also leverage there physiques and youth. ---
**Author:** ![denec](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/denec/32/1730_2.png) [@denec](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/denec)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2009, 6:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/products-from-all-sources-that-have-been-duds-e-g-chikara-pheromol-factor-perception/25073/12 "2009-02-27T18:31:51Z")
I have used Axcite as well, problem I have with it is the scent. Smells just like Acqua di gio. If it came unscented I would be happy. It seems to work as in all in one package and does have a high concentration of none, problem i ran into is I can smell the none pretty good. The scent does not cover it well. ---
**Author:** ![Rattlesnake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Rattlesnake](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rattlesnake)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2009, 12:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/products-from-all-sources-that-have-been-duds-e-g-chikara-pheromol-factor-perception/25073/13 "2009-03-20T12:58:54Z")
I like threads like this one, ok duds for me: - Chikara, smells cheap but no offensively so. No real hits unless spiked with none, and then it could just be the none doing all the work. - WAGG.N, has that none smell, didnt have that none effect. Also the oil dropper bottle for a alcohol based phero isn’t the most intelligent of choices. - Pherofragance, by Georgie Dodd (also made Pheromol factor) the discoverererer of the alphanol, which is becomes painfully obvious, since thats all he puts in his products, a whole lotta talking but no action. Also, Scottish leather didnt smell too nice for me. - Pherlure, sucks balls. - Liquid trust, I still have a few bottles of this left to test but the first one didnt give me anything. And when that happens I usually spray copious amounts on in order to see a reaction, which led to my friends asking if I’d been drinking ☹ Seems, the only affect it has is that it makes people think you’ve been drinking wine at lunch time. Although this isn’t what the topics about it wouldnt be fair to say what does work well: Great Products A7, AE, PBS (unscented, scented gives me migraines) , SOE, Ammo (kicks ass with shine and A314), TUTH, NPA/TE, A314 (not sexual hits though), MX103, Instant Open you mouth and talk constantly, CTTM2 (with P74 & P93). Decent products Instant female magic (weirdly enough can make girls repelled, in certain situations). I’m hoping to add MX 292 and PP to the Great products list (hint, hint 😉 ) Edit: haven’t tried AXcite or Icebreaker, but they both seem way too overhyped so I’ll probably give them a miss.