# Psychology of -none's repellent effect **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [June 1, 2010, 8:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/psychology-of-nones-repellent-effect/39043 "2010-06-01T20:13:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Zenan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/bc8723/32.png) [@Zenan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Zenan)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2010, 8:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/psychology-of-nones-repellent-effect/39043/1 "2010-06-01T20:13:26Z")
So, we all know that using alot of -none repels certain girls. My limited experience seems to suggest that it’s emotionally closed girls that respond this way. I know that it can happen in certain non-social environments and when girls are ragging, but I’ve notice that with certain girls it seems to always affect them in the same way. Does anyone have any thoughts about what’s going on in their heads? Do they feel afraid? Does it cause some general anxiousness? Overpowering smell perhaps? Do they simply hate the idea of being reminded of sex by someone they’re not into? Come to think of it, I realize that one of the girls I notice this with knows that I’m attracted to her. I’d especially appreciate the input of some women. ---
**Author:** ![unknown0001](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/unknown0001/32/559_2.png) [@unknown0001](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/unknown0001)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2010, 9:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/psychology-of-nones-repellent-effect/39043/2 "2010-06-01T21:20:34Z")
> [@Zenan](#): > > So, we all know that using alot of -none repels certain girls. My limited experience seems to suggest that it’s emotionally closed girls that respond this way. I know that it can happen in certain non-social environments and when girls are ragging, but I’ve notice that with certain girls it seems to always affect them in the same way. > > Does anyone have any thoughts about what’s going on in their heads? Do they feel afraid? Does it cause some general anxiousness? Overpowering smell perhaps? Do they simply hate the idea of being reminded of sex by someone they’re not into? Come to think of it, I realize that one of the girls I notice this with knows that I’m attracted to her. > > I’d especially appreciate the input of some women. There was a British Study put out in 2007 seven might answer why SOME women don’t prefer a 'masculine’ man, by LOOKS and prefer a metro-sexual man, because they are seen to be "less likely to cheat and were perceived as " more reliable…i think you could correlate that to a -none signature as well. To me -none signature = masculine man. Some women have a deep desire for it but because of modern feminist women’s movements…or social conditioning through television…or what they learned from their mother and friends… the view of a macho man :“which -none signifies” could be perceived as “outdated” “not PC” “too wild” “untrustworthy for LTR” People run the gamut of masculine women to feminine men and everything in between in who they are most attracted too, But, because of societal norms or societal conditioning what you most desire could in some instances be inhibited or perverted because of social pressure, family life, past experiences etc.. For example: A women could have had a father, brother or family member who was abusive or hateful and gave off a -none signature when she was in the “imprint phase” of childhood and now men who have this -none signature are a complete turn off and they are repulsed by it…but this is just ONE example and by NO means am I asserting that all women but disapprove of -none signatures were abused. BECAUSE… There are so many variables to what would affect a women’s view towards NOT liking a -none signature it seems to me, you’d have to take it on a case by case basis to get any actual real evidence or data of which you could trust to be accurate. in my humble opinion 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2010, 10:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/psychology-of-nones-repellent-effect/39043/3 "2010-06-01T22:33:45Z")
I don’t think there is any single correct answer to the repelling question. I do know I can counter most of the repelling effect with charm and reassuring body language. I can increase the repelling effect with loud and aggressive behavior. Also, being of Korean descent, I’ve noticed many Korean guys are extremely masculine in a bad sense, e.g., macho behavior, fighting in parking lots and general un-PC behavior compared to their hairier and more naturally androstenone endowed White brothers. And yet we seem to have lower androstenone levels due to some combination of less body hair, too much bathing and a less sweaty body chemistry. This condition may account for the fact Korean women are more repelled by anone than White or Black women as they’re not experienced it as much in their culture. ---
**Author:** ![psylocybin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ee7513/32.png) [@psylocybin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/psylocybin)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2010, 10:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/psychology-of-nones-repellent-effect/39043/4 "2010-06-01T22:38:55Z")
> [@Gegogi](#): > > I don’t think there is any single correct answer to the repelling question. I do know I can counter most of the repelling effect with charm and reassuring body language. I can increase the repelling effect with loud and aggressive behavior. Also, being of Korean descent, I’ve noticed many Korean guys are extremely masculine in a bad sense, e.g., macho behavior, fighting in parking lots and general un-PC behavior compared to their hairier and more naturally androstenone endowed White brothers. And yet we seem to have lower androstenone levels due to some combination of less body hair, too much bathing and a less sweaty body chemistry. This condition may account for the fact Korean women are more repelled by anone than White or Black women as they’re not experienced it as much in their culture. TRU… so How bout p74 instead of none? do you like it better? Cuz I read you get bad/unwanted results when used together. ---
**Author:** ![Razorpowell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d78d45/32.png) [@Razorpowell](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Razorpowell)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2010, 11:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/psychology-of-nones-repellent-effect/39043/5 "2010-06-01T23:03:15Z")
I get beastly results when they are used together. (P74= penultimate social)+(ANONE=sexual)=BEASTLY ---
**Author:** ![psylocybin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ee7513/32.png) [@psylocybin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/psylocybin)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2010, 11:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/psychology-of-nones-repellent-effect/39043/6 "2010-06-01T23:11:31Z")
> [@Razorpowell](#): > > I get beastly results when they are used together. (P74= penultimate social)+(ANONE=sexual)=BEASTLY Really?? What is this about [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) being a replacement for none and that if used together it gets a ghosting or hate effect… maybe its another putative. I guess I’ll have to try it out. ---
**Author:** ![Zenan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/bc8723/32.png) [@Zenan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Zenan)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2010, 11:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/psychology-of-nones-repellent-effect/39043/7 "2010-06-01T23:53:16Z")
> [@psylocybin](#): > > Really?? What is this about P74 being a replacement for none and that if used together it gets a ghosting or hate effect… maybe its another putative. I guess I’ll have to try it out. You’re thinking of [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/). ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2010, 1:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/psychology-of-nones-repellent-effect/39043/8 "2010-06-02T01:27:29Z")
> [@happytappin](#): > > There was a British Study put out in 2007 seven might answer why SOME women don’t prefer a 'masculine’ man, by LOOKS and prefer a metro-sexual man, because they are seen to be "less likely to cheat and were perceived as " more reliable…i think you could correlate that to a -none signature as well. > > To me -none signature = masculine man. Some women have a deep desire for it but because of modern feminist women’s movements…or social conditioning through television…or what they learned from their mother and friends… > > the view of a macho man :“which -none signifies” could be perceived as > > “outdated” “not PC” “too wild” “untrustworthy for LTR” > > People run the gamut of masculine women to feminine men and everything in between in who they are most attracted too, > > But, because of societal norms or societal conditioning what you most desire could in some instances be inhibited or perverted because of social pressure, family life, past experiences etc.. > > For example: A women could have had a father, brother or family member who was abusive or hateful and gave off a -none signature when she was in the “imprint phase” of childhood and now men who have this -none signature are a complete turn off and they are repulsed by it…but this is just ONE example and by NO means am I asserting that all women but disapprove of -none signatures were abused. > > BECAUSE… > > There are so many variables to what would affect a women’s view towards NOT liking a -none signature it seems to me, you’d have to take it on a case by case basis to get any actual real evidence or data of which you could trust to be accurate. > > in my humble opinion 🙂 [News and Events | University of St Andrews](http://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/news/Title,14883,en.html) ---
**Author:** ![unknown0001](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/unknown0001/32/559_2.png) [@unknown0001](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/unknown0001)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2010, 1:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/psychology-of-nones-repellent-effect/39043/9 "2010-06-02T01:51:20Z")
> [@P51Mustang](#): > > [News and Events | University of St Andrews](http://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/news/Title,14883,en.html) Yeah that’s the one i was talking about! ---
**Author:** ![floydianone](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/floydianone/32/2301_2.png) [@floydianone](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/floydianone)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2010, 1:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/psychology-of-nones-repellent-effect/39043/10 "2010-06-02T13:14:38Z")
> [@Zenan](#): > > You’re thinking of P83. It is actually [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) that has been reported to not go well with -none for some people. I haven’t had a chance to test it out for myself but I remember reading that. P83 on the other hand plays great with -none when I’ve used it. ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2010, 1:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/psychology-of-nones-repellent-effect/39043/11 "2010-06-02T13:17:06Z")
That’s odd since MX301 has both [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) and none. ---
**Author:** ![floydianone](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/floydianone/32/2301_2.png) [@floydianone](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/floydianone)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2010, 3:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/psychology-of-nones-repellent-effect/39043/12 "2010-06-02T15:24:34Z")
> [@RADMAN513](#): > > That’s odd since MX301 has both P74 and none. Yeah the only place I have read this is in WF’s journal so I’m not aware of anyone else reporting the same thing. Here is a quote about it: Wildflower said: "Again, this may just be me but if I wear anymore than 10mcg of p74 with say 2 sprays of Ammo I get negative reactions due to a bizarre clash. Males tend to treat me exactly the same as they normally would, if anything I get slightly positive reactions but with women it’s a different story. A p74 Androstenone clash causes women in general to become very irritated with me and everything I do becomes intolerable to them. It’s actually kind of funny to see the confusion on a girls face as she feels herself very annoyed by your presence but unable to identify why, what will usually happen is the girl will look for little things to pick a fight over. The p74/Androstenone thing may only effect me, but I’ve seen the clash consistently enough to know that – for me – anything above a 2:1ratio of p74:Androstenone is bad news. I don’t know if this is the case for anyone else, or if there is a way to combat this with other [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) but I’d be intrigued to find out. I love p74, it works really, really well with p83, p86, p93, TAA and in particular Beta Androstenol but I like to keep it separate from Androstenone – a molecule I love equally as much." ---
**Author:** ![TwistedOstrich](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/twistedostrich/32/627_2.png) [@TwistedOstrich](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TwistedOstrich)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2010, 7:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/psychology-of-nones-repellent-effect/39043/13 "2010-06-02T19:04:27Z")
might I add in if not commented on already, some women perfer what they do because they are comfortable with that type of signature. Perhaps their fatherly figure was either weak or strong which then promotes a desire for high/low none. Its the only way I’ve come to figure why women may like [P93](https://a314.com/product/p93/) as I feel like its the opposite of none lol. ---
**Author:** ![WildFlower](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wildflower/32/1260_2.png) [@WildFlower](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/WildFlower)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2010, 3:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/psychology-of-nones-repellent-effect/39043/14 "2010-06-05T15:45:04Z")
> [@floydianone](#): > > It is actually P74 that has been reported to not go well with -none for some people. > I haven’t had a chance to test it out for myself but I remember reading that. P83 on the other hand plays great with -none when I’ve used it. Yeah p83 and anone is a really good pairing. p74 I don’t like with anone but I can’t explain why. > [@](#): > > Does anyone have any thoughts about what’s going on in their heads? Do they feel afraid? Does it cause some general anxiousness? Overpowering smell perhaps? Do they simply hate the idea of being reminded of sex by someone they’re not into? Come to think of it, I realize that one of the girls I notice this with knows that I’m attracted to her. Anone is fine at low doses and buffered. I’ve never had a bad reaction from any girl when wearing 1-3 sprays of Ammo for example. Too much anone or anone not buffered well just gives a general feeling of ‘dirtyness’ in every sense of the word. It’s a bit socially awkward and very obtruse. Uncharismatic. The way to combat this, [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/), Instant Shine, Instant Shine. If your prone to doing lots of spraying, make sure it’s Instant shine and not anone. Keep the anone level down low and boost up the Instant Shine. ---
**Author:** ![WildFlower](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wildflower/32/1260_2.png) [@WildFlower](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/WildFlower)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2010, 3:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/psychology-of-nones-repellent-effect/39043/15 "2010-06-05T15:46:19Z")
You’re pretty much guaranteed not to repel if you wear [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/). ---
**Author:** ![Zenan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/bc8723/32.png) [@Zenan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Zenan)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2010, 7:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/psychology-of-nones-repellent-effect/39043/16 "2010-06-05T19:44:40Z")
> [@WildFlower](#): > > You’re pretty much guaranteed not to repel if you wear Instant Shine. Actually, I’m always going heavy on the shine, and my spray which made me notice the repellent phenomenon is 50/50 2xShine+TUTH. Maybe my proportions are off. BTW, Eckard Tolle is the shit.