# PUA: Honesty, Sh~t tests, Insults, A314 **URL:** \ **Category:** Lounge\ **Created:** [March 17, 2007, 11:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pua-honesty-sh-t-tests-insults-a314/2562 "2007-03-17T23:48:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![MarkL](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/markl/32/825_2.png) [@MarkL](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MarkL)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2007, 11:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pua-honesty-sh-t-tests-insults-a314/2562/1 "2007-03-17T23:48:19Z")
When people insult me, I have a few well-worn (shopworn, some might say) lines of response. The **classic shit-test insult label** (express or implied): “You’re being an a$$hole!” (..being inconsiderate, selfish, smart, rude, uncivilized …) “I’m also an asshole!” “I am sometimes inconsiderate” (etc.) The **pick a fight insult** : “You stupid pr~ck” “Is that a compliment? You’re trying to pick me up with that line?” (good with targets as well as competition – esp. wannabe alphas who want to confront because finesse takes more time and skill; also good with drunks, confuses them.) My general approach is to be guilty of everything (GOE) immediately and effortlessly, with anyone who tries to impose guilt on me. I’m guilty of causing the war in Iraq, and I’m also responsible for world hunger, and Bush being elected, etc.; you can only be a tool of guilt if you resist being guilty. I’m also guilty of everything good, heh. (In any case, this is consistent with my radical pantheism, since god is responsible for everything.) Guilt and shame don’t have to be explicit – a “What do you do?” with a certain bitchy tone of voice can be an attempt to impose guilt or shame or otherwise lower value. “What do you do?” (_bitchy tone_) “Are you sure you’re not asking me ‘WHO’ I do?” (\* at a later point, you can re-affirm “Usually, what I do is less important to me than the quality of the people that I do it with.”\*) But I typically resist all labels and nominalizations as much as I can (negative and positive): “You’re so smart!” (_awed tone, obvious ego stroke_) “Well, I’m smart sometimes, but I can’t be smart unless I’m with someone who’s also smart enough to appreciate what I say.” (\* this looks like a return compliment but Ain’t Necessarily So \*) **What’s this got to do with pheros?** I notice now that when I have a fresh dose of A314 on, I’m almost 99.99% accurate in “return of service” – batting any sh~t-test insult or label back to the court where it came from. And I haven’t had even one case of someone offering me a “let’s fight” insult in the last four months since I began here… ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2007, 11:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pua-honesty-sh-t-tests-insults-a314/2562/2 "2007-03-17T23:55:25Z")
ah hahahahahaaaaaaa honestly i see arguments as an art form. not fights, but good turn-on debates. the come-back is an art form, a craft if you will. you have the tone to take into account, the gender, the angle, time of day (or month) ect… i havent gotten a good insult in a long time. i got “jerk” heh heh heh . wow. 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![MarkL](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/markl/32/825_2.png) [@MarkL](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MarkL)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2007, 12:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pua-honesty-sh-t-tests-insults-a314/2562/3 "2007-03-18T00:05:42Z")
Someone who wants to insult you … I guess they’d have to be in a space where they illuminate the world from a very unusual perspective. If I could do anything I wanted with you, Lor, I gotta say that insults … even trading friendly insults … would be way, way, way down the list.🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2007, 12:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pua-honesty-sh-t-tests-insults-a314/2562/4 "2007-03-18T00:23:53Z")
yes but can you imagine doing listed things simultaneously? [http://www.smilieshq.com/smilies/love0025.gif](http://www.smilieshq.com/smilies/love0025.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Gem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e9c0ed/32.png) [@Gem](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gem)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2007, 3:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pua-honesty-sh-t-tests-insults-a314/2562/5 "2007-03-18T03:37:37Z")
> [@Lor](#): > > ah hahahahahaaaaaaa > honestly i see arguments as an art form. > not fights, but good turn-on debates. No you don’t Lor, why are you lying? Just because you are pretty you think you can get away with anything don’t you? 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Nunya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ac8455/32.png) [@Nunya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Nunya)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2007, 3:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pua-honesty-sh-t-tests-insults-a314/2562/6 "2007-03-18T03:45:02Z")
> [@MarkL](#): > > When people insult me, I have a few well-worn (shopworn, some might say) lines of response. > > The **classic shit-test insult label** (express or implied): > > “You’re being an a$$hole!” (..being inconsiderate, selfish, smart, rude, uncivilized …) > “I’m also an asshole!” “I am sometimes inconsiderate” (etc.) > > The **pick a fight insult** : > > “You stupid pr~ck” > “Is that a compliment? You’re trying to pick me up with that line?” (good with targets as well as competition – esp. wannabe alphas who want to confront because finesse takes more time and skill; also good with drunks, confuses them.) > > My general approach is to be guilty of everything (GOE) immediately and effortlessly, with anyone who tries to impose guilt on me. I’m guilty of causing the war in Iraq, and I’m also responsible for world hunger, and Bush being elected, etc.; you can only be a tool of guilt if you resist being guilty. I’m also guilty of everything good, heh. (In any case, this is consistent with my radical pantheism, since god is responsible for everything.) > > Guilt and shame don’t have to be explicit – a “What do you do?” with a certain bitchy tone of voice can be an attempt to impose guilt or shame or otherwise lower value. > > “What do you do?” (_bitchy tone_) > “Are you sure you’re not asking me ‘WHO’ I do?” > (\* at a later point, you can re-affirm “Usually, what I do is less important to me than the quality of the people that I do it with.”\*) > > But I typically resist all labels and nominalizations as much as I can (negative and positive): > > “You’re so smart!” (_awed tone, obvious ego stroke_) > “Well, I’m smart sometimes, but I can’t be smart unless I’m with someone who’s also smart enough to appreciate what I say.” (\* this looks like a return compliment but Ain’t Necessarily So \*) > > **What’s this got to do with pheros?** I notice now that when I have a fresh dose of A314 on, I’m almost 99.99% accurate in “return of service” – batting any sh~t-test insult or label back to the court where it came from. And I haven’t had even one case of someone offering me a “let’s fight” insult in the last four months since I began here… Interesting. I can’t honestly say i’ve sat down and thought of good comebacks. (altho have had those “damn! i shoulda said that!” moments) I guess most of the time, i opt for “whatever” and a wave of dismissal. ---
**Author:** ![Pharcyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b2d939/32.png) [@Pharcyde](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pharcyde)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2007, 5:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pua-honesty-sh-t-tests-insults-a314/2562/7 "2007-03-18T05:03:07Z")
its interesting when people automatically assume the person theyre annoying _ **isnt** _ mentally ill. ---
**Author:** ![Quicksilver](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/quicksilver/32/1328_2.png) [@Quicksilver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Quicksilver)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2007, 5:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pua-honesty-sh-t-tests-insults-a314/2562/8 "2007-03-18T05:38:17Z")
> [@Lor](#): > > the come-back is an art form, a craft if you will. > you have the tone to take into account, the gender, the angle, time of day (or month) ect… > i havent gotten a good insult in a long time. > > i got “jerk” > > heh heh heh . wow. 🙄 My favorite comeback: (serious fatherly tone) “Don’t mock me, remember what happenned to (insert random name here. Helps if it’s a name you don’t think they know)” Me: “Don’t mock me, remember what happenned to Elroy.” Smartmouth: “Elroy?!? Who the hell is Elroy???” Me: (still serious) “Exactly…” (a few seconds later I grin and give them a knowing friendly smile) Smartmouth: (silent for a few seconds trying to figure out what I mean, then as he/she figures it out, they stay silent or roll their eyes.) Nearby crowd: _laughter_ I made this up in high school and to date, it has not yet failed to silence an antagonist. No one can come up with a good response. I’ve heard someone say a couple years ago that a line like this is in a movie, but I don’t know which one. Cheers, 🆒 Quicksilver ---
**Author:** ![Nunya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ac8455/32.png) [@Nunya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Nunya)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2007, 3:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pua-honesty-sh-t-tests-insults-a314/2562/9 "2007-03-18T15:15:46Z")
> [@Pharcyde](#): > > its interesting when people automatically assume the person theyre annoying _ **isnt** _ mentally ill. what do you mean? ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2007, 4:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pua-honesty-sh-t-tests-insults-a314/2562/10 "2007-03-18T16:05:49Z")
hey catlord, remember when we used to go back and forth? ooooh, we were _bad!_ time to resurrect old nasty threads me thinks! 😃 the funny ole days… ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2007, 4:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pua-honesty-sh-t-tests-insults-a314/2562/11 "2007-03-18T16:08:00Z")
> [@Gem](#): > > No you don’t Lor, why are you lying? > > Just because you are pretty you think you can get away with anything don’t you? > > 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄 im pretty? pretty-what? pretty argumentative? get away? put something in front of me and i will try to get-away with it! 😛