# PUA + Mones Experiment. **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Journals\ **Created:** [November 9, 2010, 3:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pua-mones-experiment/43186 "2010-11-09T15:47:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![ochrismongrelo](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ochrismongrelo/32/318_2.png) [@ochrismongrelo](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ochrismongrelo)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2010, 3:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pua-mones-experiment/43186/1 "2010-11-09T15:47:23Z")
Well, I just got my first order of mones via fed-ex, bright and early at 9:45 am or so, and thusfar, it smells damn good! (Yep, the package had a very clean, sorta irish-spring-like smell to it, I’d guess from the IO…reminds me a bit of one of the axe blends with a bit of AF Fierce mixed in.) My background? I’m 33 years old, lift weights some (albeit not as much as I used to) and have a good metabolism therefore a good muscle to fat ratio, 5’10 and 185 lbs Longtime Musician (Primarily Vocalist,) and I have a similar personality - Can be very ‘to myself’ at times and just want to be left alone to watch the crowd, but other times I’m the ‘life of the party’ when I’m feeling more social. I’ve been involved in the PUA Movement for a number of years (PUA Mongrel, for those ‘in the know’,) and my ‘style’ is a heavy combination of David Deangelo and Carlos Xuma (My own personality is naturally similar… lots of sarcasm out of this one!) It’s been a while since I’ve went out to play, as I’ve been in a relationship that got kinda stale due, and the damned approach anxiety has reared it’s ugly head again and of all things I’ve TURNED SHY???.. Looks like time for a refresher course in technique PLUS trying out the pheremones would be a really fun experiment in primal drives/ social engineering/ the mating & dating scene. Moving on! .. I ordered: Ammo (1x) togo [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) (2x) togo (Bonus as I only ordered 1x.. wow!) And they threw in a togo of TUTH (2.5x) togo! Thanks for that bonus Androtics (Thanks Jacob!); Your company is awesome! Punctual, Gracious, and Helpful! Too bad more of the big companies out there didn’t have that kind of business model - it’s an old style that seems to have been lost to many over time. Tonight is karaoke night at a local dive bar, where I’ve been going the past couple months since I’ve been single again, and (other than singing and therefore getting some hi-fives and looks/chatter from women,) nothing major has happened. I’m naturally skeptical, as I said before, but tonight will be test night, and I’ll report back my findings either late tonight, or in the morning 😉 C Mongrel ---
**Author:** ![forynav](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9c0ed/32.png) [@forynav](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/forynav)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2010, 4:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pua-mones-experiment/43186/2 "2010-11-09T16:14:33Z")
All the best! ---
**Author:** ![Bolkie](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bolkie/32/1056_2.png) [@Bolkie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bolkie)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2010, 6:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pua-mones-experiment/43186/3 "2010-11-09T18:28:59Z")
This sounds promising ! Good luck ! ---
**Author:** ![ochrismongrelo](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ochrismongrelo/32/318_2.png) [@ochrismongrelo](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ochrismongrelo)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2010, 6:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pua-mones-experiment/43186/4 "2010-11-09T18:42:21Z")
**Well, I couldn’t wait.** **Went ahead and put on:** **1 spray [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) togo (1x) on wrists,** **1 spray Tuth togo (2.5x) on chest,** **2 sprays IO togo (2x) - one spray was on wrist, one was on chest.** **Oddly, I started feeling more dossil and a bit cocky and sleazy right away,** **a tiny bit forgetful, but with a smirk on my face.** **My female dog (5 mo’s old, Siberian Husky/Doberman Pinscher mix,) started giving me odd looks and seemed unsusually omega towards me, following me around everywhere though, which is also odd. Seemed spaced out when she first sniffed me. After I invited her to play, she’s wanting to play a lot and ‘talk’ more than normal. Guess it effects animals too. xD** **Time to go get some lunch at subway… tonight will be the test as I’m heading to the bar.** ---
**Author:** ![ochrismongrelo](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ochrismongrelo/32/318_2.png) [@ochrismongrelo](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ochrismongrelo)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2010, 7:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pua-mones-experiment/43186/5 "2010-11-09T19:21:23Z")
**Already a bit strange. Seems that men were a bit - I can only describe it as either intimidated, or I was ghosting, whereas:** **A cute girl, caucasian, app. 25-30 years of age invaded my personal space, made it a point to cut her friend in the subway line and stand close to me checked me out - Hit** **Middle Eastern Female working there, App. 30-35 years of age… I’ve seen her there several times before, but this time she kept telling my how much she loves my car. “I love your car!” She’s never talked to me before except for taking my order.. Definate Hit.** **Checkout lady, app. 35-45 years old… I initiated a short convo about their business on the weekends vs weekdays, talked for a bit, first girl kept checking me out, but then lady turned to attend to her - Poss. Hit.** **Tonight will be interesting.** ---
**Author:** ![AplAy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/aplay/32/1054_2.png) [@AplAy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/AplAy)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2010, 9:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pua-mones-experiment/43186/6 "2010-11-11T21:59:54Z")
Really interesting man! I also do “PUA”-stuff if you will, I have been “involved” in the so called “seduction community” for about five years now but I do not consider myself as a member of it since it made my perspective of life narrow. However, really interesting that you’re using AMMO since I am using AMMO and [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) myself. So I will definitively check out ur journal regularly! \\ AplAy /// ---
**Author:** ![ochrismongrelo](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ochrismongrelo/32/318_2.png) [@ochrismongrelo](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ochrismongrelo)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2010, 10:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pua-mones-experiment/43186/7 "2010-11-11T22:45:12Z")
**The other night turned out interesting to say the least…** **Went out to the local bar..** **2 sprays Ammo (1x)** **2 sprays IO (2x)** **1 spray Tuth (2.5x)** **At first, nothing major…** **Start chit chatting with some people, some guy randomly gives me a brand new football keychain, said he had an extra one and that I seemed like a pretty cool dude. — Potential Hit** **Some gal (that is with a guy friend of hers) was standing back away from me… says that my ‘cologne’ is too powerful (ha!) and that she could smell it strongly from about 7 feet away.** **Odd, since the guy really didn’t seem to notice it.** **She came over and started chit chatting with me, flirted (even though she was married…wtf,) was a hb 6 or so. I laid off most of the PUA stuff just to see what she’d do, neg’d her a few times though over the cologne comment.** **Got bored with her, went to sing karaoke, she kept checking me out, smiling and waving until I left, kino’d me again before she did. — Definate Hit** **HB 7/8 Chick I know from internet that I’ve been talking to invited me over to hang out as she’s been wanting to meet me. Went over there, she got very ‘frustrated’, wound up trying to seduce me 😉 Said she would have gone further but her daughter was there, plus her bedroom wasn’t available…wants to hang out again Friday. Tuth hit !** **Looks like this stuff is definately a game improver. Gonna have to try some instant shine when I can.. (Money is tight right now..Christmas and my kiddos birthday coming up!)** ---
**Author:** ![ochrismongrelo](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ochrismongrelo/32/318_2.png) [@ochrismongrelo](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ochrismongrelo)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2010, 10:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pua-mones-experiment/43186/8 "2010-11-11T22:48:19Z")
> [@AplAy](#): > > Really interesting man! I also do “PUA”-stuff if you will, I have been “involved” > in the so called “seduction community” for about five years now but I do not > consider myself as a member of it since it made my perspective of life narrow. > > However, really interesting that you’re using AMMO since I am using AMMO > and Instant Shine myself. So I will definitively check out ur journal regularly! > > \\ AplAy /// Hey Aplay, What kind of experiences or hits have you had with the [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/)? I haven’t tried IS yet, but it sounds as though it has some interesting effects when used in conjunction with Ammo as a base - not only on other people but on the wearer as well. C Mongrel ---
**Author:** ![ochrismongrelo](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ochrismongrelo/32/318_2.png) [@ochrismongrelo](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ochrismongrelo)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2011, 10:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pua-mones-experiment/43186/9 "2011-04-19T22:45:26Z")
> [@ochrismongrelo](#): > > Hey Aplay, > > What kind of experiences or hits have you had with the Instant Shine? > > I haven’t tried IS yet, but it sounds as though it has some interesting effects when used in conjunction with Ammo as a base - not only on other people but on the wearer as well. > > C Mongrel WOW! It has been quite some time since I’ve been on here, but I’m back again. It definately has been an interesting experience, and my poisons of biological choice seem to be: Ammo (1x) 1-2 sprays (depending on age of target) (wrists) IO (2x) 2 Sprays (wrists) IH (1x) 1 Spray (Wrists) IS (1x) 2 sprays (Wrists) Tuth (1x) 1 spray to chest. Then I rub the wrists on my collarbone / neck area while the mones are still wet… it’s worked pretty damn well. I’m finally getting some a314 to test out… the b spray, something tells me it may work pretty well with my personality in a mix, but we shall see! ---
**Author:** ![PheroJack](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pherojack/32/527_2.png) [@PheroJack](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroJack)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 2:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pua-mones-experiment/43186/10 "2011-04-20T02:24:19Z")
Leave TUTH aside, until you sure that you want to “heat up the moment”. You might coming off too much to some girls because of that extra 2.5 mcg -anone in TUTH when you are putting 5mcg already from AMMO. ---
**Author:** ![ochrismongrelo](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ochrismongrelo/32/318_2.png) [@ochrismongrelo](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ochrismongrelo)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 9:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pua-mones-experiment/43186/11 "2011-04-20T09:39:05Z")
> [@PheroJack](#): > > Leave TUTH aside, until you sure that you want to “heat up the moment”. You might coming off too much to some girls because of that extra 2.5 mcg -anone in TUTH when you are putting 5mcg already from AMMO. Amazingly, I’ve F-closed 10 years younger and 10 years older using both of them together, but then again I come across pretty natural in a lot of inner game and rapport build, and I’m pretty sure that I put off a good amount of TAA naturally, because once I’m locked in, it’s like uber comfort. It’s strangely rare that I even encounter any shit testing from chicks anymore at all, suprisingly! ---
**Author:** ![ochrismongrelo](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ochrismongrelo/32/318_2.png) [@ochrismongrelo](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ochrismongrelo)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2011, 7:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pua-mones-experiment/43186/12 "2011-04-21T19:21:10Z")
\*\*Last Night: Testing: A314 spray ‘b’: 2 sprays initially (neck, wrist), 2 more later [Molecule A](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/molecule-a/) 12.5 mg: 2 sprays, one to hair, one to wrist 2 IS to wrist 2 IO(2x) to wrist 1 IH to wrist 1 spray ammo \*\*Went to a local bar with my gal that we normally go to. Felt more confident than normal, was certainly more chatty, lots of respect hits. Respect hit and convo from a guy who has never talked to me up there in like 5 years. Girl who usually gives me shit all the time was really happy and talkative, showing lots of respect and such. My Lady said that I was holding myself different, shoulders back and head high like superman or something (rofl). I normally kinda carry that way but apparently this was more pronounced. Lots of guy buds asking me for cigs and drinks later on, lol. A fight about broke out and my immediate reaction was to step in and break it up. Normally it would be to just ignore it. Seemed to work. Calmed them both down and told them to relax and have fun. Went ahead and added some more Molecule A and the 2 more sprays of A314b after that. My gal was more chatty than normal about gossip. The mood up there was lighter than normal. Definately looking forward to trying some more combos! Didn’t get the impression that people were super intimidated or whatever by the a314, which suprised me, then again I had a LOT of nol based products added to it. Rescued my gal from 2 different guys trying to AMOG her, using cocky funny diffusing tactics and both guys apologized and showed respect. Gf was very lovey and cuddly, even sprayed some Molecule A on her and her mood lightened up a lot more positively, and oddly she got happy drunk off of stuff that she normally drinks that doesn’t affect her much at all. Definately a strange hit… and now she’s wanting to try more TAA herself when she’s not drinking! woot. ---
**Author:** ![ochrismongrelo](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ochrismongrelo/32/318_2.png) [@ochrismongrelo](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ochrismongrelo)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2011, 12:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pua-mones-experiment/43186/13 "2011-09-03T00:02:47Z")
Friday, Sept. 12, AD 2011 Temperature: 100f Outside! (ACK!) 75f Inside, 70f in car. Mones: 1 spray A314b, 1 spray mx 407, 1 spray mx405 (all to wrists), 1/2 spray A314b on chin. Today, I had a job interview at 2:15pm est for a position requiring lots of travel around the country. Doing what, you might ask? Using computer equipment to analyse water pipes for various cities through the USA, making sure they’re up to par and fed. standards -yay environment!- etc. I sprayed my mones on about 15 minutes before going in to the building… felt instantly confident but at the same time a little lighthearted and not UBERz0mgA314 Businessman! -The mx 405 and 407 took care of that… see my previous experiment posts about them.. After the manager came to talk to me…Younger guy, really nice and respectful to me, even joked with me a bit…, he was essentially telling me about the job and ASKING ME if the job would be something I would be willing to do. Since the job has a lot of travel …Including a company phone, computer, vehicle, etc, yay!.. and the employees can be gone from a week to a month at a time, sometimes they put them up in furnished apartments, but sometimes for the shorter stays they put two guys in a hotel room.. He asked if that would be alright by me and I blurted out “As long as he doesn’t snore too loud…” The guy busted out laughing xD From then on things were more informal and he didn’t seem as nervous, and he hinted that they may just be calling me next week. After the interview was over, And I wound up asking him about the operations of the company, etc, I added a spray of TOGO ammo to my chest, then I went by the gas station to fuel up and get some water… and this girl in front of me (19-21) apologized for being in my way -even though it took her all of 2 seconds to pay- and the cashier was all smiley and uber-respectful. When I went to fuel up, I noticed that the 19-21 chick drove around the parking lot TWICE, checking me out both times with the girl with her. LMAO. A314+Ammo cracks me up. After I got home, Michelle and I wound up friendly for a bit xD Then I told her to register for the mones site and find something to wear for her upcoming promotion job interview 😃 Christopher ---
**Author:** ![ochrismongrelo](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ochrismongrelo/32/318_2.png) [@ochrismongrelo](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ochrismongrelo)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 3:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pua-mones-experiment/43186/14 "2011-09-20T15:01:34Z")
Sept. 18, 2011 Mones: Ammo 1x, 2 sprays (Wrists, back of neck) Tuth, 1 spray (Front of neck) MX407, 1 spray (forearms) Locale: Store Time: 8:30 pm(?) Temperature: 70F(+/-) Michelle and I decided that we wanted to go hit the stores to grocery shop for her new house… I’ve been over quite a bit lately, and I elected to go along with her to Meijer. Stores are always a great place for testing, especially since people are always around ya…shoppers, workers, cashiers, etc… So I make my way into the store with her and we grab some items. Nothing noticable for a while as far as hits are concerned (except she’s laughing at half of the stuff I say like I’m a stand up comedian…) , however it’s not like we’re standing around people enough for it to hit them when we’re running up and down aisles looking at stuff. Finally however, when we make it to the cashier’s line, the redhead girl ringing people up (18-22 years) starts DIHL at me and smiling, fumbles a little bit with her work, starts joking with me. Suddenly another younger female worker comes up and starts putting our bags in the carts for me, totally invading my space… and totally unneccesary!!! Stares abound in my direction. As I have a ‘wtf’ moment, the woman behind Michelle and I (mid 40’s,) in the line starts staring at me and smiling for no reason. Summary: MX407 amuses me. It’s got a fun, happy social effect to it every time I’ve used it alone, and it’s a bit of a space destroyer. It also seems to put women in a happy-go-lucky mood.