# PUA + pheros **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [November 5, 2007, 8:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pua-pheros/6417 "2007-11-05T08:52:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![chrispy-hello](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8491ac/32.png) [@chrispy-hello](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/chrispy-hello)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2007, 8:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pua-pheros/6417/1 "2007-11-05T08:52:11Z")
i’m a newbie at pheros but it seems to me that using pheros + ‘the game’ must be a deadly combination that no girls can resist. any venusian artists in the building that have added pheros to their game? has anyone read ‘the game’ by neil strauss or practiced the mystery method? ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2007, 9:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pua-pheros/6417/2 "2007-11-05T09:01:30Z")
The pua is also Hawaii’s state flower. Tuck one behind your ear, dab a bit of NPA and you’re in like flint… ---
**Author:** ![HABIB001](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/habib001/32/2159_2.png) [@HABIB001](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/HABIB001)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2007, 10:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pua-pheros/6417/3 "2007-11-05T10:27:32Z")
Yes i have read the game and mystery method… The method works, but i havent tried it up to the point where i get them into bed. That isnt why i tried it. Its to learn the confidence, linguistic skills and NLP skills and body language that i read it for. ---
**Author:** ![Oceanborn](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/oceanborn/32/1229_2.png) [@Oceanborn](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Oceanborn)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2007, 2:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pua-pheros/6417/4 "2007-11-05T14:29:54Z")
Those books are for nerds to copy what a cool guy said word for word in order to try and get laid like the cool guy. ---
**Author:** ![aleksander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/aeb1de/32.png) [@aleksander](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/aleksander)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2007, 3:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pua-pheros/6417/5 "2007-11-05T15:36:13Z")
the game is a masterpiese. It is helping guys to get a better life what is wrong whith that? ---
**Author:** ![aleksander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/aeb1de/32.png) [@aleksander](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/aleksander)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2007, 3:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pua-pheros/6417/6 "2007-11-05T15:45:03Z")
maybee try some sent of eros. it gives u a good mood. and some ammo to give u a sexual vibe. ---
**Author:** ![MadisonTate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9e5f3/32.png) [@MadisonTate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MadisonTate)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2007, 5:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pua-pheros/6417/7 "2007-11-05T17:26:19Z")
On behalf of women and woman-lovers everywhere, i regret to inform you that the PUA stuff, for those guys who are willing to play the odds, really does work. It also happens to work on men, and ive noticed one of David DeAngelos pseudonyms is working that angle (Christian Carter?). Some women are centered enough not to be affected, but the underlying concept of all this PUA stuff is to shake things up enough to (disorient) the unwilling victim. Its very potent with younger women, divorcees, recovering drug addicts, cancer victims, grieving widows, those lacking in confidence, the more vulnerable the better. I dont believe pheros can make anyone do something they dont want to. They nudge but they dont push. The Game, however, is manipulation of the weak and the fact that it works so well scares me. Manipulation + pheros is not necessarily ethical. That may make you want to try it even more, but i would hope youd choose the high road. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2007, 6:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pua-pheros/6417/8 "2007-11-05T18:38:12Z")
> [@](#): > > It also happens to work on men, and ive noticed one of David DeAngelos pseudonyms is working that angle (Christian Carter?). Snort ROFL Im sorry, Women have been doing it for years and years where do you think DeAngelos learned it from. He just turned it around to work for men and cashed in on it. > [@](#): > > I dont believe pheros can make anyone do something they dont want to. They nudge but they dont push. The Game, however, is manipulation of the weak and the fact that it works so well scares me. Manipulation + pheros is not necessarily ethical. That may make you want to try it even more, but i would hope youd choose the high road. What is one of the biggest complaints men have about women they meet or women in general ? Some women are Manipulative 😮 I am not saying its every women just like every man is not into being a PUA but they are out there. So remember alot of the time when your out there playing the game you could be playing against a master. 😉 Reps Tater Great Post ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2007, 6:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pua-pheros/6417/9 "2007-11-05T18:50:00Z")
> [@MadisonTate](#): > > On behalf of women and woman-lovers everywhere, i regret to inform you that the PUA stuff, for those guys who are willing to play the odds, really does work. It also happens to work on men, and ive noticed one of David DeAngelos pseudonyms is working that angle (Christian Carter?). > > Some women are centered enough not to be affected, but the underlying concept of all this PUA stuff is to shake things up enough to (disorient) the unwilling victim. Its very potent with younger women, divorcees, recovering drug addicts, cancer victims, grieving widows, those lacking in confidence, the more vulnerable the better. > > I dont believe pheros can make anyone do something they dont want to. They nudge but they dont push. The Game, however, is manipulation of the weak and the fact that it works so well scares me. Manipulation + pheros is not necessarily ethical. That may make you want to try it even more, but i would hope youd choose the high road. Yes, those pickup guys are super-evil… just look at the names of their blogs. Evil evil things like ‘makegirlssmile’, ‘approachanxiety’ etc. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![data4](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/data4/32/272_2.png) [@data4](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/data4)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2007, 7:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pua-pheros/6417/10 "2007-11-05T19:51:31Z")
> [@MadisonTate](#): > > On behalf of women and woman-lovers everywhere, i regret to inform you that the PUA stuff, for those guys who are willing to play the odds, really does work. It also happens to work on men, and ive noticed one of David DeAngelos pseudonyms is working that angle (Christian Carter?). Whoa… David D is bi? -D4 ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2007, 8:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pua-pheros/6417/11 "2007-11-05T20:09:22Z")
Not BI, but really smart. Smart enough to recognize a potential income opportunity and capitalize. I’ve been doing PU for a while now and where I am no mPUA I still am a PUA and successful at it. I’ve studied: DeAngelo R. Jeffries Mehow Mystery Savoy RSD Pickup101 Juggler My favorite PUA skills would have to be TD from RSD although I have yet to read the new Jeffy stuff and Juggler. Tyler is portrayed as BAD in The Game, but all the same his ability is amazing. Juggler likewise teaches natural game and both have enabled my game to progress forward. Every aspect of my life has changed. ---
**Author:** ![gitsmw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/85e7bf/32.png) [@gitsmw](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/gitsmw)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2007, 8:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pua-pheros/6417/12 "2007-11-05T20:25:03Z")
PUA skills are great, but I’ve not read the game. I’ve taken stuff from Juggler, Savoy, Mystery, Style, and basically anything you can find on mASF and mysterymethod forums. But I’m no mPUA either, just like steveo. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2007, 8:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pua-pheros/6417/13 "2007-11-05T20:27:26Z")
mASF is a great knowledge base. And like you gitsmw I never read the game either. I’ve tried a couple of times but I just never made it all the way through. ---
**Author:** ![HABIB001](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/habib001/32/2159_2.png) [@HABIB001](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/HABIB001)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2007, 8:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pua-pheros/6417/14 "2007-11-05T20:32:52Z")
The game is more like a novel then an instruction manual which mystery method is more like. There are other books and stuff out there. Tracy Cox, superflirt, is one and other books i think i got around 50 books PDF, be happy to email a couple if you send me your email on private message. ---
**Author:** ![HABIB001](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/habib001/32/2159_2.png) [@HABIB001](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/HABIB001)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2007, 8:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pua-pheros/6417/15 "2007-11-05T20:34:34Z")
> [@Oceanborn](#): > > Those books are for nerds to copy what a cool guy said word for word in order to try and get laid like the cool guy. For a cool guy your picture sure is Girly ---
**Author:** ![data4](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/data4/32/272_2.png) [@data4](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/data4)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2007, 8:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pua-pheros/6417/16 "2007-11-05T20:47:04Z")
Mystery’s latest, The Venusian Arts Handbook is nice. It’s a lot of his older material with a little new stuff mixed in, and it’s a much tighter presentation. Now he’s got this new Mind of Mystery set out, but I’m afraid that price tag is waaaay out of my league. I’m NOT a PUA by any stretch of the imagination, but I do like to study the materials. I figure at some point I’ll get a chance to use the skills in a more… er… legitimate setting. People I’ve studied include David D., Ross Jeffries, Mystery, Style, Mehow, David Shade, and Hypnotica. I’ve also got an intense fascination with NLP and conversational/covert hypnosis, and have studied Milton Erickson (REQUIRED, imho), Kenrick Cleveland, Chris Howard, Taylor Starr, Igor Ledechowski (whose course I’m currently listening to). Richard Bandler, John Grinder, Robert Dilts, and many others. Basically a who’s who of the scene. Even if I never apply any of this to pick up, I already see how I can and have used this stuff to improve both my personal and professional life. -D4 ---
**Author:** ![HABIB001](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/habib001/32/2159_2.png) [@HABIB001](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/HABIB001)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2007, 8:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pua-pheros/6417/17 "2007-11-05T20:58:03Z")
> [@data4](#): > > Even if I never apply any of this to pick up, I already see how I can and have used this stuff to improve both my personal and professional life. > > -D4 Data I see and agree with you. This is the main reason i read them. Very useful in sales enviroment. ---
**Author:** ![Oceanborn](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/oceanborn/32/1229_2.png) [@Oceanborn](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Oceanborn)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2007, 12:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pua-pheros/6417/18 "2007-11-06T00:48:10Z")
> [@HABIB001](#): > > For a cool guy your picture sure is Girly Thank you! I like it Girly. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![MadisonTate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9e5f3/32.png) [@MadisonTate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MadisonTate)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2007, 5:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pua-pheros/6417/19 "2007-11-06T05:48:48Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Women have been doing it for years and years where do you think DeAngelos learned it from. He just turned it around to work for men and cashed in on it. What amazes me most is that some men/women feel cheated when you dont play a game on them. They enjoy it, even though they will rail against the -players- at the same time. Sweet dreams are made of this… Tater studies this stuff, and even got involved in pheros because he sees value in knowing the tools other people are using in society. Just because you dont like the idea of something doesnt make it stop working, so you may as well learn all you can about it. I think most people deny that [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/) work because theyre afraid of them and dont want to accept that theres something there…same with all the PUA/NLP stuff. There is definitely something there. Even if i dont like what many people are doing with their knowledge, sticking my head in the sand and saying i dont want to believe someone can verbally manipulate me so easily, or that a woman can spray on something that will make me find her somewhat more attractive, doesnt change the facts. Once you know that pheros work, if you dont follow through and make them work for your benefit, well, ignorance is bliss… ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2007, 10:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pua-pheros/6417/20 "2007-11-06T10:45:00Z")
> [@](#): > > Tater studies this stuff, and even got involved in pheros because he sees value in knowing the tools other people are using in society. Just because you dont like the idea of something doesnt make it stop working, so you may as well learn all you can about it. I think most people deny that pheromones work because theyre afraid of them and dont want to accept that theres something there…same with all the PUA/NLP stuff. There is definitely something there. Even if i dont like what many people are doing with their knowledge, sticking my head in the sand and saying i dont want to believe someone can verbally manipulate me so easily, or that a woman can spray on something that will make me find her somewhat more attractive, doesnt change the facts. > > Once you know that pheros work, if you dont follow through and make them work for your benefit, well, ignorance is bliss… Excellant points, I agree it is better to be aware of it. It does work, better on those who are unaware of it. I also agree with some people being afraid of the effect of mones thus not seeing any results with them. I dont think thats the only reason though. I think for some its just they have read alot of the hype and expect it to work like they have read the first few times they try and when it dosnt they give up. [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pua-pheros/6417.md?page=2)