# Public Announcement: Why I am no longer using androstenone **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [February 3, 2013, 6:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/public-announcement-why-i-am-no-longer-using-androstenone/58048 "2013-02-03T18:37:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2013, 10:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/public-announcement-why-i-am-no-longer-using-androstenone/58048/21 "2013-02-07T10:53:00Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Honest… really. The research here is not perfect, I will admit, but I would not call it tainted. As far as open research conducted by users is concerned this is the most reliable and reputable place despite the pathetic claims of disgruntled former members who have an agenda. > > Yes you have to sift the bullshit from the reliable facts but that occurs in all venues where people are reporting on products. > > Tisha You out of all people would know, you used to be the admin here and have helped countless of people here and given feedback. I’ve read a good amount of reports here which mimics a lot of what others have reported previously. I’m not going to just say it from memory and I’ll look up specific posts if I can find instances from a report that people read and tested that conincidentally multiplied exponentially. And tisha, I’m not even speaking about what those people say. But collaborative obsevations I’ve done here in conjunction with some members that widely contradicted the herd reports we’ve done here. And to evolver, Let’s agree to disagree. Everytime someone here offers a dissenting opinion droves of people automatically come and rebute it. No I’m not trash talking AD, I’m still using my IBF combo to great success but really think about it, how much of how these molecules are used are really about internal mechanisms that blossom because of a belief that mones work. I believe they do and seen it myself but not to the extent of what most people say. When you’re into it all the time and immersed you won’t see the other side and equate a lot of what you see/do/experience on them. But nothing I can do to change your mind on the subject so I’ll drop it. ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2013, 2:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/public-announcement-why-i-am-no-longer-using-androstenone/58048/22 "2013-02-07T14:18:17Z")
> [@P51Mustang](#): > > You out of all people would know, you used to be the admin here and have helped countless of people here and given feedback. I’ve read a good amount of reports here which mimics a lot of what others have reported previously. I’m not going to just say it from memory and I’ll look up specific posts if I can find instances from a report that people read and tested that conincidentally multiplied exponentially. > > And tisha, I’m not even speaking about what those people say. But collaborative obsevations I’ve done here in conjunction with some members that widely contradicted the herd reports we’ve done here. > > And to evolver, > > Let’s agree to disagree. > > Everytime someone here offers a dissenting opinion droves of people automatically come and rebute it. No I’m not trash talking AD, I’m still using my IBF combo to great success but really think about it, how much of how these molecules are used are really about internal mechanisms that blossom because of a belief that mones work. I believe they do and seen it myself but not to the extent of what most people say. When you’re into it all the time and immersed you won’t see the other side and equate a lot of what you see/do/experience on them. > > But nothing I can do to change your mind on the subject so I’ll drop it. How about this: is there any doubt that very few men out there have natural NONE at levels (armpits mainly) above 10 mcg.? Has anyone read otherwise? Is it safe to say that wearing amounts of above 5 mcg., you’re getting closer and closer to a powerful amount not found in nature? You have to add what’s on you to what your body produces. Two sprays of AMMO – yes, you could have 10+ of NONE on you. What of this: [Pheromone dosage response curves](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-dosage-response-curves/100) Is there any Real dispute that NONE OD does exist or that it isn’t essentially a fundamental truth? What about what is said in the link re an “attack/war dose?” I think that makes a pretty powerful theoretical statement. Is there any real doubt here? If so, where? Not as to semantics but the Core theory and concept. That said, I disagree with nothing in the linked post, which is why I don’t buy from other cos. The whole chemical formulary requires a proper theoretical framework, which AD has and **some** others don’t. “But nothing I can do to change your mind on the subject so I’ll drop it.” You can change my mind. My mind has changed as a result of wearing some hefty NONE and [P75](https://a314.com/product/p75/). I’m talking prob. 20-40 mcg. combined in places I Know to be Dangerous. I’m more interested in Why you think they way you do. There are no wrong intellectual arguments. It is by dissent that the truth is discovered, thought the Greeks. ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2013, 2:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/public-announcement-why-i-am-no-longer-using-androstenone/58048/23 "2013-02-07T14:33:13Z")
> [@monesmadedoit](#): > > How about this: is there any doubt that very few men out there have natural NONE at levels (armpits mainly) above 10 mcg.? Has anyone read otherwise? Is it safe to say that wearing amounts of above 5 mcg., you’re getting closer and closer to a powerful amount not found in nature? You have to add what’s on you to what your body produces. Two sprays of AMMO – yes, you could have 10+ of NONE on you. > What of this: > [https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-dosage-response-curves/100/6](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/public-announcement-why-i-am-no-longer-using-androstenone/58048/22) > > Is there any Real dispute that NONE OD does exist or that it isn’t essentially a fundamental truth? > > What about what is said in the link re an “attack/war dose?” I think that makes a pretty powerful theoretical statement. Is there any real doubt here? If so, where? Not as to semantics but the Core theory and concept. > That said, I disagree with nothing in the linked post, which is why I don’t buy from other cos. The whole chemical formulary requires a proper theoretical framework, which AD has and others don’t. First we’re talking about reactions from higher forms of -none that’s neither ghosting (too much of one molecule to register as unusual) but to somoene’s own aggressiveness. Don’t say that others don’t have the same ability to replicate their results other than AD, I’ve tried and there are good ones out there, and some may even be more effective. I’ve stuck to AD because of two things, they’ve been good to me, and their products still work exceptionally well. What I’ve also learned from practical experience and experiences from others is that one fundamental fact that pheromones will not force action but only facilitate it. It’s just like a nice cologne (tested cologne with and without pheromones before with surprising results moneless) or a flashy demeanor that certain girls like. No offense but theory and concept is good as that, it’s theory and concept, it gets the ball rolling and if AD thought that that’s all it needed to produce these products, then there would be no need to create reporting users, of Putatives, or even MX’s, just go on theory and bam there comes out a product. Sorry but some of the forum chatter detracts from common sense in terms of the use of these products. In case anyone was confused, I’m not bashing the products or their effectiveness, just stating my personal opinion that don’t blame the mones for the actions that you decided to bring upon yourself. Many of the actions you take today are based off of your life experiences and development. I’m not here to attack any of you but it’s BS to say that “the pheromone made me do it” ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2013, 2:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/public-announcement-why-i-am-no-longer-using-androstenone/58048/24 "2013-02-07T14:39:30Z")
> [@](#): > > But nothing I can do to change your mind on the subject so I’ll drop it. You know me better then that. I am always open to what people have to say. > [@](#): > > Everytime someone here offers a dissenting opinion droves of people automatically come and rebute it. No I’m not trash talking AD, I’m still using my IBF combo to great success but really think about it, how much of how these molecules are used are really about internal mechanisms that blossom because of a belief that [mones](http://www.pheromonetalk.com/) work. I believe they do and seen it myself but not to the extent of what most people say. When you’re into it all the time and immersed you won’t see the other side and equate a lot of what you see/do/experience on them. First let me say I know your not trash talking AD and I hope you dont think I was implying you were. We both know that plenty of people do though. That being said… I understand your going by your personal experiences and how mones work with your personal biology as well as those you have collaborated with. I will ask you to consider this though. Just because you or your collaborators have not experienced what mones can sometimes do to the extent of someone else’s experience doesn’t mean those reports/experiences are not valid. Each persons biology, personality and personal life experiences are not the same and these differences will have an effect on the extent of each persons experiences with mones. Not just anone but any mone. I also agree that “internal mechanisms” as you put it can blossom from belief and if people believe anone will make them violent they tend to become more violent. However with anone I have seen the aggressive reaction it can cause in certain men and have even experienced it in myself when I mistakenly used to much TUTH. The feeling is quite real. Of course being a women I reacted quite differently then a man would and each man because of his past experiences and personality will also react to that feeling differently. With mones you look for consistent behaviors. One of the behaviors that has been consistently displayed not just by members of this forum but by pheromone forums across the board and by independent blind tests by various departments of science is a tendency to become aggressive and combative when exposed to anone. There is a fine line between lust/arousal and aggression. Some of the same chemicals reactions are occurring. I can and have seen anone go wrong for some people. however. garnering a reaction you dont desire or intend can happen with any putative. Mimicking mother nature is not so easy. This doesn’t mean dont use the molecule, learn from the mistakes and adjust. ---
**Author:** ![Lacosteboy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lacosteboy/32/1661_2.png) [@Lacosteboy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lacosteboy)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2013, 12:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/public-announcement-why-i-am-no-longer-using-androstenone/58048/25 "2013-02-09T12:53:49Z")
Thank god i know how to defend myself… ---
**Author:** ![metalTree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b38774/32.png) [@metalTree](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/metalTree)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2013, 4:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/public-announcement-why-i-am-no-longer-using-androstenone/58048/26 "2013-11-07T16:46:22Z")
Hey evolver, any updates? Are you feeling better? ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2013, 11:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/public-announcement-why-i-am-no-longer-using-androstenone/58048/27 "2013-11-07T23:31:36Z")
I’ve used NPA, Edge and other aNone products for 11 or 12 years with any violent incidents or even dirty looks. And often to silly OD levels albeit not for years. The self-medication effects faded after the first year or so and I focused on working the dosage for best effect and, of course, to align with my persona. However, each person is an individual and differs in body chemistry and personality. Some people really shouldn’t use aNone at all while others can lather it on. My persona is mellow and I have good self-control so I’m one of those able to lather the stuff on. That is, if I can stand the stink. With years of use my sensitivity to the piss-like odor has intensified and I can only bare to wear a wee bit and as far as possible from my nose… ---
**Author:** ![andro00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/71c47a/32.png) [@andro00](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/andro00)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2015, 4:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/public-announcement-why-i-am-no-longer-using-androstenone/58048/28 "2015-05-29T16:59:38Z")
> [@evolver](#): > > Hi. I’m a 29 year old male, and i’ve been using androtics products, including androstenone, for several years. > > I am no longer using Androstenone. Why? > > Lately I have been finding it not that effective. Women are being repelled when I use androstenone more often than they are being attractive. There was a study I read on this forum that detailed an “exclusion” effect, known on the forums as “ghosting” that can cause women to be turned off. They think you are dominated by your sexual desires. They are unable to see past the lust and see the person underneath. > > But that is not the only reason. On the night before New Years Eve, I was attacked outside of a neighbourhood bar. That night I had decided to put on a large dose of androstenone (MX461 or 2, 3 sprays) to give me a confidence boost, and help pick up a girl. I was a bit lonely, depressed, and got drunk. The bar closed and I was standing on the sidewalk, when a passerby pushed me and started yelling at me. He walked off, when I commented to the guy next to me that “He was an asshole, and had an attitude problem.” The assailant turned around and charged me. > > At this point, I had been angry. The anger and frustration had been building in me at the end of the night, like it does most nights I use androstenone and don’t get what I want. When I saw him charging me, I relished the fact that I was finally about to fight. For years when using androstenone, I noticed the temptation for violence, the wish to punch, the lust for adrenaline. I am a very non-violent man, and never had a problem before, I was able to control my emotion. This time however, I was not. > > I swung at him, he punched back and knocked me out. Then he proceeded to kick me in my head until bystanders chased him off. I went to the hospital with a black eye. Now I have had double vision for a month. Not sure how I will heal it. > > All this to say that I am no longer using it. I can’t stand it anymore because of the anger, frustration and disappointment it brings with it. That being said, I have had my fun times. When I first began using it, it gave me confidence, and showed me what I can have if I go out there and get what I desire. Now, I must move on and recognize what it does to me. > > I want to warn you all to **BE CAREFUL WHEN USING ANDROSTENONE.** Recognize your emotions and realize that it is a powerful pheromone, and can affect people in ways you might not expect or want. > > Thank you for reading this. You can’t use androstenone when you are “going through things”. In fact, I suggest NO pheromones when going through a negative phase or period in their life Here’s my thread on similar cases and experiences, I was also depressed on and off for over four years. I know because I went through a really bad four years. I had a bad attitude/attitude, body language and vibes caused by depression/anxiety which turned to rage. And whether or not if you know it, depression can be picked up subconsciously by other people. So you’re depression plus androstenone may be causing others to be intimidated by you and in relative terms, has angered them. I KNOW because the same thing happened to me on over 20 different occasions. Random girls would get upset when I didn’t talk to me or feel like I was coming on too strong while other guys wanted to fight me, stare me down and a few actually challenged me. And it doesn’t matter that you said you’re non-violent, your body language was misinterpreted by these people due to depression and pheromones specifically androstenone It was a combo of your issues mixed with the pheromones. P130 is prob the only thing that will benefit you if you are still going through anxiety/depression, however, I suggest getting help for these underlying issues by seeking out a therapist, using magnesium up to 1000 mg daily, 5-htp 50mg- 150 mg depending on severity of depression (not every night) but for a loading phase of two weeks at first then take it from there, it is an excellent natural anti-depressant. Drink a lot of water and STAY AWAY FROM ALCOHOL + PHEROMONES for now. Hope this helps. ---
**Author:** ![andro00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/71c47a/32.png) [@andro00](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/andro00)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2015, 5:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/public-announcement-why-i-am-no-longer-using-androstenone/58048/29 "2015-05-29T17:25:30Z")
> [@Gegogi](#): > > I’ve used NPA, Edge and other aNone products for 11 or 12 years with any violent incidents or even dirty looks. And often to silly OD levels albeit not for years. The self-medication effects faded after the first year or so and I focused on working the dosage for best effect and, of course, to align with my persona. However, each person is an individual and differs in body chemistry and personality. Some people really shouldn’t use aNone at all while others can lather it on. My persona is mellow and I have good self-control so I’m one of those able to lather the stuff on. That is, if I can stand the stink. With years of use my sensitivity to the piss-like odor has intensified and I can only bare to wear a wee bit and as far as possible from my nose… You must not be intimidating then because wearing that stuff does make others very intimidated when I wear it. I’m 6’0 in great shape, good face, so others dudes get PISSED , while girls literally have dropped their panties for me, LITERALLY. Yes, I know you think I’m joking but I’m not, one girl came up to me and starting licking my face, I never even met her. It works, period. NO DOUBT but if you are already too damn good looking which means you prob don’t need it, even though I used it anyway, it could get you into trouble with trouble types both men and women. THE END. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/public-announcement-why-i-am-no-longer-using-androstenone/58048.md?page=1)