# Putative P83 how strong? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [March 17, 2014, 2:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/putative-p83-how-strong/61407 "2014-03-17T14:27:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![amberus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecd19e/32.png) [@amberus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/amberus)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2014, 2:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/putative-p83-how-strong/61407/1 "2014-03-17T14:27:57Z")
Hi guys! Thinking to get [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) but I am not sure at all how strong (mcg 10,15,25 or even stronger…) ? Some tips would be nice who has experience with that. Thanks alot. (btw I am 32 😃 ) ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2014, 3:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/putative-p83-how-strong/61407/2 "2014-03-17T15:03:02Z")
Start around 10mcg - that way you can cover a wide dose range. Age is not so much an issue with [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) - its more what you use it with. Less with more social mixes and more with more severe status or sexual mixes. ---
**Author:** ![lwatkins](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lwatkins/32/472_2.png) [@lwatkins](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lwatkins)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2014, 4:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/putative-p83-how-strong/61407/3 "2014-03-17T16:01:36Z")
I got a 25mcg 30ml bottle. I find that the 30ml bottle give you really nice half-sprays. So at 25, a half-spray gives you 12.5… that works well in daily-use mixes. If you are going out drinking on a Sat night with a bunch of people you don’t know and want to meet people like I did the other day and just pary, 1 1/2 sprays gives you 37.5mcg, it worked out awesome because people just loose all sense of personal space in a bar at that level, you have no problem squeezing into a group of half-drunk partiers and introducing yourself. People saying hi will get right up in your face, its really funny. 25mcg works well in a moderately festive atmosphere… keep in mind you want a lower dose for an enclosed space like a car - 25 will be OD in that space. ---
**Author:** ![amberus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecd19e/32.png) [@amberus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/amberus)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2014, 4:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/putative-p83-how-strong/61407/4 "2014-03-17T16:05:40Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Start around 10mcg - that way you can cover a wide dose range. > > Age is not so much an issue with P83 - its more what you use it with. Less with more social mixes and more with more severe status or sexual mixes. Tanks a lot man! Also does it work it self if I get like Proper cologne Strength? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2014, 4:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/putative-p83-how-strong/61407/5 "2014-03-17T16:25:05Z")
Don’t start with P83 as a standalone - It **always** works best as a secondary to other molecules. If you go standalone with it, you will very likely not do at all well. And to that end, don’t even think of going cologne strength till you have found you effective dose range with different products as that will severely restrict the number of sprays you can use - 6% [Neroli](https://a314.com/product-category/scented/androtics-neroli/) is the best here as it settles lightest, whilst retaining effective diffusion. ---
**Author:** ![leon333](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/leon333/32/539_2.png) [@leon333](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/leon333)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2014, 10:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/putative-p83-how-strong/61407/6 "2014-03-18T10:58:02Z")
don’t go too high with 83,it can make some women confused and distant