# Putative Pheromone P104 - Hyper, Crazy, Dark, Intense **URL:** \ **Category:** Pheromone Theory & Molecules\ **Created:** [June 3, 2014, 1:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/putative-pheromone-p104-hyper-crazy-dark-intense/62094 "2014-06-03T13:15:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 4\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Dee\_A](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7bcc69/32.png) [@Dee\_A](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Dee_A)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2014, 1:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/putative-pheromone-p104-hyper-crazy-dark-intense/62094/1 "2014-06-03T13:15:29Z")
\*\*[Putative Pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/product-category/advanced-pheromones/putative-pheromones/) P104 - Hyper, Crazy, Dark, Intense \*\* [Experimone](https://a314.com/)\*\*? \*\*[Putative](https://a314.com/) Pheromone P104 \*\*Check it out in store here: \*\* [Putative P104 :: Putative Pheromones :: Androtics Direct](https://pheromonelabs.com/) Available in all dosages between 125 nanograms per spray to 5000 micrograms per spray. **Dosage Guidance (Successful Ranges Tested So Far):** \*\*Common ways to apply: 1 to 2 sprays of 2.5 to 25 mcg \*\* \*Please keep in mind this is merely what has worked well in the past for a very limited number of users who have conducted a limited number of tests. This information is merely provided as a convenient starting point. It’s good to be open minded and adventurous, as it’s quite possible that dosages much smaller and perhaps even larger provide useful (though often different) responses. Many molecules we have are active in at least 2 useful ranges.\* \*\*Observed P104 Effects: \*\* **Bubbly, Crazy, Dizzy, Dark, Carefree, Confident, Intense** After reading the reports, P104 has various effects on people. Some users expressed that P104 made them hyperactive and energized while some became lethargic, dizzy and serious. A constant user and experimenter also stated that the substance has no effect on him. While using P104 alone has various effects, using it with other pheromones/putatives intensifies the effect of the other or creates a totally different hit. \*\*Interesting Combos: \*\* - P104 + P83 (disinhibitor) - 10 sprays of P104 with 3 sprays of instant shinex5cops (hyper feeling) - 8 sprays of P104 and 3 sprays of mx235 (calm and sexy) - p74+p75+p104 (happier) - p75+p104 (sexy-romantic feeling, but commanding and powerful at the same time.) - 2 sprays of CTTM , P104 & P102 (good, relaxed chatty day for everyone) - _Feel free to suggest combos of your own on this thread [link]!_ **Real User Feedback:** > [@](#): > > I don’t recall much by way of crush properties attributed to P104? Most of what I remember was **light disinhibitor/feelgood/mood lifting**. IIRC it was often used to steer IH, or heavy-going status mixes of the sort that already have fallout potential and that quite a few guys combined it with A1 to good effect in PMS mixes - which again has established crush potential… > > > [@](#): > > > > - \* **[mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-explore-the-crush-effect/53180/74)** > [@](#): > > Well, **disinhibition**. P83 at 30+ mcg makes me ever-so-slightly loopy, but it’s not the primary effect people really pay attention to around here. However, I find that **P104 + P83 together kind of enhances the effect in both.** Gives me (and others) **a subtly spaced-out feeling, without the lack of focus that would imply.** Which then combined with a beer or wine buzz is quite nice. 🙂 > > - **SomeoneOrNot** ]( [P104 - A couple of observations](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p104-a-couple-of-observations/57967/4) ) > [@](#): > > ..My experience with it (at 1 x 12.5mcg/spray in neroli ) is that it is **a nice fun, lightly silly pheromone.** However - it seems to have a nice effect of reducing inhibitions in people who have been drinking or otherwise intoxicated. Not to a huge degree, but when I’m around my stoner friends, for example, they tend to act more giggly and comment on the strength of their stuff. When I wear it around people who are drinking, they will also cut loose a bit more and laugh a bit more, and say things like “I’m a little more buzzed than I expected from two drinks” or something along those lines. I think it’s not really enhancing the activity of the intoxicants so much as **it’s making people a little giddy and a little uninhibited.** With Instant Shine (x 1) this is even more noticeable. Add some P83 into the mix and you have an interesting combo. I like this combo by itself, or sometimes mixed with a spray or two of Ammo. > > - **SomeoneOrNot** ]([https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p104-a-couple-of-observations/57967/1](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p104-a-couple-of-observations/57967)) > [@](#): > > Anyway, I sprayed 3 sprays – one to my wrist, one to the back of my neck and one down my arm… WOW self effects were crazy. I usually don’t get self effects from pheros, but these were totally different. I am conditioned to tHINK that i don’t get self effects, so i know that this was not placebo. > **I was just really bouncy and happy all around. I smiled at random passer-byers (which I never want to do in the middle of philadelphia..) and super giddy.** > > I arrived at my class, and was much more talkative than usual. It was a 2 hour class, and I felt as though we had a lot of fun and it went faster than usual. The guy next to me laughed at my jokes, which he never usually does, and I kept making jokes. > > I thought I was being extremely immiature because we were learning about fertilization and i kept giggling.. and i couldnt stop when my teacher said the word sperm. He was laughing a lot too and said “what ? Its a scientific terminology” > > But anyway, today’s class was just realy fun and I was really happy. It’s been a while since I’ve had such an elevated mood since I’ve been extremely stressed with school, so today was a GREAT day. > > OH! And about 5 minutes after I put on the MX257, I texted my boyfriend “Heeeeeeeyyyyy!!!” Which i never usually do. He thought I was high. > but I love the effects of this, and I’m glad my sis left me a bottle of 257 and 256 and p104. > > - **babeexphat** ]([https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx257-hits-p104/51097/1](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx257-hits-p104/51097)) > [@](#): > > P104 - \*\*Care free \*\* > > - **M&M** ]([https://pheromonetalk.com/t/molecule-guide/34144/5](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/molecule-guide/34144/5)) > [@](#): > > P104 trial: > > Number of ppl involved: 5 (3 male 2 female) > Phero users: 3 (2 female 1 male) > Phero use: 3 ppl had 2 12.5 mcg shots P104 to the wrists each > > So myself, my wife, and a friend finally decided to try out P104. We had a social gathering this weekend with two male non-phero users. The gathering took place both inside and out on the patio. (nice warm -not hot day with no wind) we each had on 2 shots of P104. (2 shots to each wrist) I arrived late to the meeting. My wife (who had been there for many hours already) noted that the meeting was full of energy and much was accomplished. **When I arrived with the P104, the gathering lost considerable energy. All but one complained about needing a nap. Everyone went home within 2 hours.** Other than this, there didn’t seem to be any hits at all. > > - **busybee** ]([https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ye-olde-bee-hive/24202/9](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ye-olde-bee-hive/24202/9)) > [@](#): > > I tried my P104 yesterday, not sure about the results. My husband, myself and one friend each used 2 sprays (sorry dont know the concentration) to the wrists. There were two other friends present who dont know about pheros, both men. We had been drinking champagne for a few hours before we added pheros to the mix. We had been having a fairly positive, productive, casual type meeting. **After the P104 came into play everyone seemed to get really lethargic. I started to get waves of mild nausea and headache.** I also found myself getting somewhat irritated. that could have been the company though. I washed it off after a few hours but still felt icky. My husband used a little ifm on me though and that seemed to help > > - **Felicity Felicis** ]([https://pheromonetalk.com/t/felicitations/24488/2](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/felicitations/24488/2)) > [@](#): > > I never experienced my **heart racing** from P104. A female that was exposed to it did experience it however. This was the P104 that came in a MX Series game scented @ 2.5mcg and 12.5mcg concentrations. > > - **Pheraoh** ]([https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p104-darkness-descends/25715/10](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p104-darkness-descends/25715/10)) > [@](#): > > hmmm that is a bit different to the reaction that i got with p104. i just remember being **super bouncy with it** , but it just goes to show the complexity of pheros… > > - **remmy** ]([https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p104-darkness-descends/25715/7](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p104-darkness-descends/25715/7)) > [@](#): > > Myself: Mid-40s, Athletic, Married > I almost hesitate to post this trial as it seems almost the opposite of everything I have read about P104 but in the name of honesty … > > What: 3-4 sprays of P104 12.5 mcg spray - not sure as the first spray from the bottle was not a complete spray > > Self-Effects: > I get a dull throb in my head. Not really a headache but if it was much worse I would call it a headache. > Soon thereafter I notice I am descending into a dark mood. Not bad but dark. Very dark and I am a naturally cheerful, upbeat person. There is nothing going on to put me in this mood. I will be going to my martial arts class later in the day and I am usually cheerful as I have a lot of fun. Instead I am thinking about what combinations I am going to throw - vicious combinations. And I like the people I work out with. > I read something that would maybe irritate me normally and instead I am angry. Ready to throw a couple of those combinations. I do not know where this is coming from. I do not feel this way even with high doses of 'none. > > Effects on Others: > I have chores to do so I go out to do them. It lightens my mood a little but not much. As I am doing my chores I run into people I know. They do not seem to pick up on the dark mood I am feeling. The one thing I do notice is that I am talking WAY too much. Like being affected by your own Instant Honesty . I say Instant Honesty as the conversations are about things we think are important. This happens with 3 different people. > > My mood does not seem to brighten until I go to martial arts and get to work, probably sweating off most of the P104. Even then I am pretty focused on what I am doing push myself along pretty well. PS - I do not clobber anyone. > > - **bosshanks** ]([https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p104-darkness-descends/25715/1](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p104-darkness-descends/25715)) > [@](#): > > wore only 1 spray P104 on the way into work last night. **noticed people being smartasses. alot.** > i am in a bar, and this happens to some extent, so i blew alot of it off. couple hours later, another spray. people are irritating me. increased conversation, a little competing for my attention which does not happen. most of the time conversation is proper and enjoyed…but last night people were interrupting each other-from across the room-to talk to me. this wasnt flattery, it was rude. i kept swinging in the directions of the voices and getting really irritated that people werent more considerate of one another. there was alot of “you snooze- you lose” going on. there is alot to like about this molecule, and i think i would have down-right enjoyed the hell out of it if i were on the otherside of the bar. > > working and playing = fun , but only if i have control of the bar. **P104 in my opinion is not something i would use by itself…** > > - **Lor** ]([https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/46](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/venting-my-adventures/24664/46)) > [@](#): > > not too much time.. need to go to sleep AND study for my test, but thought id update on my current p104 testing > not sure if it’s just me but **i feel SUPER ditzy when i wear this.** when i wear **low doses like 25mcg-ish, im social. i laugh a lot, im in a good mood, people think im happy and stuff. a couple of people i dont usually talk to went out of their way to come up to say hi and to make small talks with me. people give me little pats on my head, guys nudge me thinking they are funny (and call me impish), and i get lots and lots of hugs and smiles.** definetely a feel good phero. for me, i think low dose p104 works better than instant shine. > > ive had people come up to me and said that im glowing today. (mostly girls.. i dont think p104 is sexual) > > **now when i wear high dose p104, like 100mcg, i cant stand myself. i was so stupid that i annoyed myself.** > > during lecture, i completely spaced out. when the guy next to me asked if i understood such and such molecule and its mechanisms, i said.. what.. is.. this molecule. and the whole entire lecture was about that. i felt pretty stupid > some people asked me if i was okay. i was still smiley and nice. just.. smiley and nice in a brainless girl kinda way. > > **i really do not recommend wearing more than 50mcg of p104. even if you are just trying to be social, u cant because u just space out and get bored of what the other person is talking about.** > > i went to the bathroom and rinsed off my wrist and wiped my neck. after the classes were done, i went back to my room and took a shower again. > > aaanyways. that’s it for until after my exam! i wonder if i’m the only person with the ditzy/spacy side effects of too much p104. > > - **remmy** ]([https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-quick-p104-review/25360/1](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-quick-p104-review/25360)) > [@](#): > > ?So that’s about it. I need to use more than 8 sprays to get a self-effect or reaction though. I don’t like using p104 by itself though, **it really makes my heart beat race fast all the time I use it (I feel incredibly nervous for no reason) or think dirty about the opposite sex, weird.** I think it would be great when you’re planning for something passionate that night. It would be more awesome, and an indescribable experience. > > - **msselva** ]( [https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p104-drives-me-crazy/25284/1](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p104-drives-me-crazy/25284)) > [@](#): > > First test with p104 (12.5 mcg/spray)… one spray to neck and another to my wrists. > > **First feeling was “it’s relaxing”.. I felt very relaxed.** > > - **Phoenix** ]( [https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-impressions-of-p104/5363/9](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-impressions-of-p104/5363/9)) > [@](#): > > …one spray mx254 on my wrist, that’s the 2.5mcg dosage of p104. > > I went to a supermarket, there were some women around, good I thought.. I one woman - really beautiful I thought - didn’t even respond to my smile.. **it looked like she was avoiding me.** I got that feeling… > > **I saw some people get out of my way - the respect factor again**. They were chinese or japanese tourists.. > > Some people in a lift **did not even want to talk to me** to tell me which floor they wanted to go to. > > I got out of the lift and saw an old day who smiled at me, I wasn’t smiling at all. > > Soon I reentered the lift and an old man and woman came in followed by a younger woman. They didn’t make conversation and the old man just blugdeoned himself onto the lift buttons **as if I wasn’t even there**.. > > **This dosage seems to make me invisible mostly** I think.. At least with the other dose I got weird stares acknowledging me. **This is the invisibility or unapproachable pheromone at this dosage…** > > - **Phoenix** ]( [Initial impressions of p104 - #12 by Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-impressions-of-p104/5363/12) ) > [@](#): > > 10mcg > … > **Happy moods, alot of joking around, People just smile and smile at me and around me.** I did notice it affects certain people more then others. With the ones it affects more they tend to hover around me and go out of there way to talk to me more then normal. There are others it puts in a happy mood but they dont associate it to me so they dont hover near me or keep approuching me. > … > I can almost feel when the self effects wear off on me. Between 4 and 5 hours after application. I dont feel a down feeling but the heightened happiness feeling fades. I am also still getting the effect of it making those little annoying things seem less annoying. People I find annoying also dont annoy me as much. > > - **tisha23** ]([https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx257-p104-its-a-hit/5430/19](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx257-p104-its-a-hit/5430/19)) > [@](#): > > **On Sunday I used 2 sprays of 12.5mcg (25mcg)** > 1 split wrists; 1 chest. > > Had a good day was in a happy mood and so was my family. Went out a few times and people seemed more talkative. I noticed with my sons they seemed less inclined to snap at each other. They are 13 and 19 and are at a age where they get on each others nerves. Today they got along great and happily spent time with each other… > > **On Monday 3 sprays of 12.5 (50mcg)** > 1 split to wrists; 1 chest; 1 neck. > > I am getting used to the smell and people seem to like it. > Went to work, Used one more spray (4th spray) to the other side of neck. **I noticed I still got that happy feeling but it was a little different. Instead of the Happy joking around feeling it was more of a content, satisfied, sated feeling. Kinda like you feel AFTER you laughed really hard over something. I was happy to remain quiet and just enjoy the feeling.** > … > Went out on my route felt ok still more sated and content then happy. This time I did feel a come down effect. **I felt tired all of a sudden and sort of spent. I just wanted to go home and take a nap.** Asked the guys how they felt with it on and if they saw reactions. They said not really from other people but everyone was really nice to them. They did mention that they didnt feel as bothered or annoyed by things as usual… > > - **tisha23** ]([https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx257-p104-its-a-hit/5430/20](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx257-p104-its-a-hit/5430/21)) > [@](#): > > I got my samples yesterday and tried the MX254 (12.5) at work today. One spray to each arm, inside of elbow. Boosted twice with same at intervals of several hours. > > Some folks liked the melony scent, others thought it wasn’t so nice. It certainly did last, though. I prefer the Neroli fragrance myself, and it was mentioned by some of the others that they “preferred my other cologne”. > > I slept poorly the past two nights, so I figured today I would have a rough time staying awake. **Amazingly, I seemed to have a lot of energy all day. I didn’t notice any wildly unusual reactions from other folks, but a couple of women seemed extra chatty and playful when I was around.** I’ll have to try again, perhaps in a social setting this weekend. > > The Abbess thought it was nice. Used the word “musky” to describe it. > > - **Fra Septimus** ]([https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-impressions-of-p104/5363/22](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-impressions-of-p104/5363/22)) > [@](#): > > I tried 2.5mcg last night and 2X2.5mcg today. Initially **made me feel really burnt out and sleepy.** It seems like it may have some androstenolish properties to it. **Reactions with people seemed a little more chatty, bit giggly at times, but not on a grand scale.** Also seemed like I got a bit of the “Androsterone stare” with some people. > > - **Pheraoh** ]([https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-impressions-of-p104/5363/30](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-impressions-of-p104/5363/30)) > [@](#): > > Tested 4x Sprays mx254 (12.5 mcg each) for the first time. > > The thing is I have had the most impressive hits (leaving aside sexual hits) ever with a phero, when I sprayed it I didn’t get any effects… one spray, sniffing, wait, nothing, two sprays, the same… three, the same… sprayed the fourth and waited for 5 minutes while brushing my tooth and getting ready to go out, when I realised that my mother was shouting at me that I was singing OUT LOUD and asked me if I was in love and to shut up. > > My mother and I had a discussion this morning and we were in a very bad mood. When we realised **we were happily talking about nonsenses** and I started to feel very excited about this thing really working. > > I drove to the place singing all the way til I arrived, **it was like I have had 3 cups of black cofee, I was alert, looking at everything with rapid eye movements, but concentrated and not very nervous, just a little.** The main effect I had was, indeed, that **I felt very happy… happy in a fool way** and I am not like that, I consider myself a serious faced guy and **I couldn’t stop smiling and singing doing faces to the mirror.** I usually get angry with other drivers and shout a little but I was simply smiling and singing… > > When I arrived where my people was, 3 girls and 3 boys counting me were having cofee in a very emphatethic way, counting betanolish confessions I didn’t know although i know them for a long time ago and making lots of jokes, it was incredible but in that moment was when I started to being conscious that I didn’t know what I applied on my neck. Seriously, it remembered a saturday night under a MDMA dose, the emphathism, the jokes, the hugs and the strange love and confessions all around… I am NOT saying this is or seem like a drug, please don’t think that, only those effects where similar. I must make clear we are never like that, today was very different. > > After that, following my routine (there’s a review written yesterday with the same situation) went to see a girl, we were talking for 2 hours into the car (the phero trap). I must say she’s under PMS and is upset with me. We were all the time very happy (VERY), and hugging-touching, but nothing sexual ( **I don’t think this phero is directly sexual** ) though we have had sex previously I didn’t try anything, neither did her. > > To sum up, I must say it has surprised me a lot… I have to test it a lot more because it might be a casual day but I have to admit since I sprayed it on my neck I have been VERY VERY happy all day, but not the funny way, I REALLY felt happy, it’s like a prozac high (sorry about the comparison again, but it is, at least today), you are “happy-inside”. > > Maybe it’s casual, maybe it’s circunstantial, maybe it was today, it need more testing but I think this phero is all Instant Shine should have been (I have never got self effects with it) but, taking it seriously, if tomorrow i get same results, this is a very good phero to include in the instant line and I hope it will not have any “secondary effects” (not going down nor headaches like has been reported with IS). **I have not noticed a sexual spark and not tested it in clubs, bars, or for women-catching but, it defintely has noticeable happyness-excitement effects and it simply make you feel full of happyness.** > > - **capone** ]([https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-impressions-of-p104/5363/35](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-impressions-of-p104/5363/35)) > [@](#): > > PS: I forgot saying it had some other effects like **focusing on little things like your hair structure and if you have to cut it a little here and somewhere or where your laptop computer has a little less painting because it’s a little old, poor computer, and i have felt, too, enhancing intstrument differentiation while listening to music (I could find and sing the second voice and choruses quickly, without thinking, I could hear very well difficult and hidden bass lines and so on).** I have to test it while writing songs and some creative things, too. > > - **capone** ]([https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-impressions-of-p104/5363/37](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-impressions-of-p104/5363/37)) ---
**Author:** ![Charles\_W](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/22d042/32.png) [@Charles\_W](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Charles_W)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2015, 9:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/putative-pheromone-p104-hyper-crazy-dark-intense/62094/2 "2015-01-19T09:29:44Z")
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**Author:** ![Dee\_A](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7bcc69/32.png) [@Dee\_A](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Dee_A)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2014, 1:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/putative-pheromone-p104-hyper-crazy-dark-intense/62094/3 "2014-06-03T13:15:29Z")
**Real User Feedback:** > [@](#): > > … **“Instant Loveliness” or “Instant Singing”** but they are very nerd names in my opinion, i’d really say **“Instant Delight” at the 50mcg dose and “Emphatic Ecstasy Magic”** but that name is a little drug kinda reference. > > I need to test effects on others more at varying doses, **but it seems clear to me that on myself are happyness effects, but not a little uplift, full happyness.** > > - **capone** ]([https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-impressions-of-p104/5363/54](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-impressions-of-p104/5363/54)) > [@](#): > > I would call it **“carefree” “after pleasure” “Instant joyfullness”** > > - **tisha23** ]([https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-impressions-of-p104/5363/56](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-impressions-of-p104/5363/56)) > [@](#): > > …I found after using 12.5mcg of P104 or more **my self tolerance to IShine went up** … **I found when using it with Turn Up The Heat it gave it more of a sexual vibe.** Then again TUTH gives everything a sexual vibe so that result shouldn’t be at all surprising. > > - **Pheraoh** ]([https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-impressions-of-p104/5363/57](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-impressions-of-p104/5363/57)) > [@](#): > > **2 sprays of MX254 = 25mcg P104** > _(applied over my daily base of 1 drop A314 , 1 spray P83 + 1 spray spaceland . i haven’t felt like testing in isolation)._ > > my girlfriend (phero-naive) said that **I seemed to be glowing, and looked very happy the past couple of days. inside i didn’t feel any different.** > > yesterday and today in starbucks + clothes shopping lots of blatant attention and smiley looks from women. (there is a little of this from A314 + P83 , but much more noticeable with 254.) > > - **PheroQuirk** ]([https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-impressions-of-p104/5363/71](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/initial-impressions-of-p104/5363/71)) > [@](#): > > one spray of MX256 (which is 12.5 mcg P104 in Coconut). That would be a total of 25 mcg , but note that the spray to my neck was the first time that I tried to get the bottle to spray, so I’m not sure I got a full spray. I headed to the costume shop in the Fine Arts building on campus to sign up for my last stage crew (to finish my minor, as I am graduating in May) and then went to my film class. > > Everyone was friendly, but not overly so. However, from the second I got on the bus to campus, I was noticing **self-effects. Very uplifting, happy, bright.** > > - **LaurieNY** \ > [@](#): > > I have been wearing between 7.5 and 10 mcg of P104 in the form of MX257 (the 2.5 mcg /spray one)–with no noticeable effects from others. I feel like even in such small doses there is still a bit of a **self-effect (chipper mood)**… > > - **LaurieNY** \ > [@](#): > > **First attempt: 3 sprays MX256 to the back of the neck/head, 1 spray to the chest.** > Target Guy: Mr. Darcy. > **I felt a little more alert and happy about 10 minutes after application** than I had previously, but that could have been a combination of being off work and meeting up with TG. Mr. Darcy was jollier than usual, but again I’m not sure if it was the pheros or just the circumstances. > > **Second attempt: 3 sprays MX256 to the back of the neck/head, 1 spray to the chest, 1 spray split between wrists.** > Target Guys: All the old men who gather at the tiny corner greasy spoon for Sunday morning breakfast. > I was the **Old Man Magnet** this time around, but who knows if it was the MX256 or just a combination of things? I was wearing a rather form-fitting Yankees jersey in enemy (Indians) territory, which got the majority of these guys ranking on me in a playful way. I’ve been to this place before and had the patrons talk to me, though. Nothing really out of the ordinary. > > **Third attempt: 3 sprays MX257 to the back of the neck/head, 1 spray to the chest.** > Targets: coworkers. > **People seemed a tad friendlier than usual.** One cute (and usually shy) male coworker spent an inordinate amount of time telling me about his upcoming scuba diving vacation and explained to me all about something he called “narcing” which is I guess some kind of temporary high divers get from the rush of nitrogen into their bloodstream? Sounds dangerous to me. Anyway, he was telling me all about that for about half an hour, which is 29 minutes more than the amount of conversation I usually get from him. > > **Fourth attempt: 4 sprays MX256 to the back of the neck/head, 2 sprays to the chest, 1 spray to each wrist. Repeat the same applications for MX257.** Yep, that much. > Targets: people sitting around me at a baseball game, possibly some baseball players (I think the wind was blowing their way. See explanation below). > This may not have been the best setting since it was outdoors, but I figured what the hell, I might as well keep on testing these two and I upped the dose significantly. Our seats were behind home plate on the third base side. Over by third base is where everyone congregates to try to get player autographs. Since I was testing pheros I thought I might as well see if these two help out at all with that. Two of the Indians spent some time talking to me, but I was standing a row back from the wall so I don’t think it was because of the MXs. I think it was because they were hispanic and I shouted “you’re ignoring the kids over here!” at them in Spanish. I got no autographs, but I didn’t really ask for one. > During the game, the guy sitting to my left talked off and on about his fantasy team. The family sitting behind me asked about my conversation with the Indians because they were apparently trying to get autographs in that throng but didn’t get any. That was about it. Again, **people were friendly** , but moreso than usual? Hard to say. > > - **ariadne** ]([https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx256-mx257-p104-test-pack-reports/17687/1](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx256-mx257-p104-test-pack-reports/17687)) > [@](#): > > …this putative **makes me feel calm and relaxed** for the most part, I feel like I’m meditating when I use this. > > - **msselva** ]([https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hmm-kids/24630/1](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hmm-kids/24630)) > [@](#): > > my current hypothesis is that this seems to be a relaxing/carefree ptive. > > - **jayarea** ]([https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-fried-rice/24524/7](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-fried-rice/24524/7)) > [@](#): > > still 12.5 mu lightly scented, 1 spray to the neck. > > think i might be feeling this now. after i put it on today **i felt kinda weird… a bit happy, a little bit of energy (not the scent effect), all in all a good feeling.** in my previous tests i’ve found that it’s either a relaxing thing or a talkative/happy thing, so i think i’m going to stop letting results happen and start actively working toward that angle of approach. > > - **jayarea** ]([https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-fried-rice/24524/19](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-fried-rice/24524/19)) > [@](#): > > Dose: 12.5 mcg to the wrists > > conditions: > went to lunch with 5 male former coworkers ages 35 - 60. > > **There seemed to be more laughter than on previous such lunches** - will need to try this again. > > - **busybee** ]([https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ye-olde-bee-hive/24202/7](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/ye-olde-bee-hive/24202/7)) > [@](#): > > ive been using mx256 for some time now.. just to see how it goes. as i understand it, it’s basically p104. ive been testing it from anywhere between 50mcg (5 sprays of mx256) and 75mcg (6 sprays mx256). i researched the dosage before i put it on, and 1 spray of mx256 is 12.5mcg > > i found that this phero **is basically very social and a feel-good type phero. nothing very sexual though.** > > before i did the real testing, i sprayed 2 sprays on myself the night before to gauge some \*\*self effects. i was very happy and all smiley. i was a little stressed out from school so it was nice i had nice dreams \*\* > > i wore it out to class for 2 days in a row. people seemed divided on the scent. some really liked it, some said it didnt suit me at all. im personally not a big crazy fan of the smell. > > i just remember finding everything funny. \*\*i was very smiley \*\*and people asked me if something nice happened. (not that i look angry all the time but i dont smile all the time neither ) > > people found all my jokes really funny. and i must admit, sometimes i did make some pretty bad jokes. haha > > more people tried to make small talks with me. the people that i usually dont really talk to or do the cursory nods stopped by my desk to ask how i was doing etc. etc. > > one of the professors stopped me on the way out to comment that i looked really happy. i mean, she’s usually a very personable professor, but we do have a HUGE class. > > from what i experienced, **i think it could be dubbed as one of the sunshine series.** other than me being really happy and others around it, nothing seemed sexual and some of the hits were very very subtle. > > def. give p104 a shot if you want to be happy sunshiney > > - **remmy** ]([https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx256-report/25170/1](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx256-report/25170)) > [@](#): > > I tried P104 a couple of times. **Both times I applied 20mcg. Both times I started feeling this mild anxiety.** I don’t know any rational reason for it. I did not notice any positive social effects. This was completely different from what I was expecting. I guess it’s going to take more effort to figure out what’s going on here. > > - **Warren** ]([https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p104-darkness-descends/25715/12](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p104-darkness-descends/25715/12)) > [@](#): > > Well, disinhibition. P83 at 30+ mcg makes me ever-so-slightly loopy, but it’s not the primary effect people really pay attention to around here. However, **I find that P104 + P83 together kind of enhances the effect in both. Gives me (and others) a subtly spaced-out feeling, without the lack of focus that would imply.** Which then combined with a beer or wine buzz is quite nice. > - **SomeoneOrNot** ]([http://www.pheromonetalk.com/p104-couple-observations-63223.html?highlight=p104#post488984t488984](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p104-a-couple-of-observations/57967/4)) > [@](#): > > p74+p75+p104 = happier > - **monesmadedoit** ]( ["https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-and-p79-tah-and-tal/58115/13](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p74-and-p79-tah-and-tal/58115/13)) > [@](#): > > Yes - I find quite a gap in effects between P102 /103 but 103 and 104 are much closer in effect. I get P103 as being much harder hitting and far more physical, taking its tone more from the other components in the mix, **whilst P104 is lighter, more playful/silly and feelgood in a way that is less dependant on other components.** > > **P104 also lacks the god-awful cheesy stink** that I get and can never cover adequately from P103 . > - **mobocaster** ]( "[https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-explore-the-crush-effect/53180/76](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-explore-the-crush-effect/53180/76)) > [@](#): > > P75 1/2 spray @ 10 mcg per spray. > P104 1/2 spray @ 10 mcg per spray. > > This has to be one of my favorite combos so far. > > \*\*sexy-romantic feeling, but commanding and powerful at the same time. \*\* > > **with P104, she always gets this sense of what’s going on, something’s happening, what is it??? There is this deep dark mystery to it that churns deep down. Something changed, but what was it?** > > I sensed a strong synergy between P75 and P104. The iron fist impact of P75 , masked behind super-smooth velvet. > - **lwatkins** ]( "[https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lwatkins-test-log/60569/174](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lwatkins-test-log/60569/174)) > [@](#): > > Happy Mother’s Day to all the moms. I went over my moms today, and things have been a little strained with us lately, so I put on2 sprays of CTTM , P104 & P102 . It was a good, relaxed chatty day for everyone involved. Even my somewhat surly 18 yr old son had a good time. I wonder if I can sneak some happy mones into his deodorant! Haha > - **Mmj2013** ]( "[https://pheromonetalk.com/t/michelle-js-journal/60420/43](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/michelle-js-journal/60420/43)) > [@](#): > > **P104 caused an extreme feeling of joy in my testing** but I think I was one of the few people who felt that with it. > - **justintime469** ]( "[https://pheromonetalk.com/t/justintime469-journey/63877/161](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/justintime469-journey/63877/161)) ---
**Author:** ![justintime469](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/justintime469/32/1402_2.png) [@justintime469](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/justintime469)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2016, 9:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/putative-pheromone-p104-hyper-crazy-dark-intense/62094/4 "2016-10-29T21:10:15Z")
**P104 Report** I have played around with this one for sometime now and here is my report. I did not get much out of this one compared to others I have tested, but here is my honest and fair report. This was a freebie and will be 5MCG a spray 6% [Neroli](https://a314.com/product-category/scented/androtics-neroli/) . I actually also have this in 50MCG a spray and 6% Neroli also I got from Pago a long while back to and will note how much MCG per test. **5MCG** 1 spray to throat for self assessment of effects. Slightly more relaxed and mind is very slightly more at ease. A calming and little sedate effect. **10MCG** 1 more spray to throat for 2 total. Same as 1 spray just slightly stronger. My eyes are starting to feel heavy, but not sleepy. I took a 50MG Tramadol earlier and I am very familiar with this medication and this molecule seems to intensify the effect of it. I feel like I have had a few drinks with this setup and feel good. **15MCG** 1 more spray to throat for 3 total now. This is now making the Tramadol hit hard and I am feeling great and nice and buzzed now. I normally have to take 2-3 of the Tramadol for this effect and never get this with just one. This molecule seems to amplify the buzzed effect of the Tramadol. I am getting a slight butterfly/anxiety feeling in my stomach(in a good way). Very relaxing and in total chill mode. P10… brings a whole new dimension to this pain medication that I have not experienced before. **15MCG** 1 spray to each side of neck and 1 to throat. Environment was work. I spray the 3 sprays and head off to work. No Tramadol this time LOL. I feel in a slight better mood. I notice there is not much difference with dosage like other molecule which I find strange. I get to work and the other 2 that come in early are there also like normal. Both are white men 50 and 60. We are having our coffee like normal and they are asking me more questions on things and I am get more respect, but very subtle. Both of them are including me more in the conversations instead of them 2 talking while I listen. They both seem to want to interact with me more. We are outside at a table and I am within 3 feet of both of them. These are the only effects observed for the whole day. The effects are there, but they are so subtle that you really have to be on the ball to notice them. I decide to break out the 50MCG a spray to see if there is any difference. **60MCG** 1 spray of 50MCG to throat and 1 spray to each side of neck of the 5MCG a spray for 60MCG total. I am having a little trouble trying to really figure this thing out so I decide to turn it way up to see what happens. Again I feel in a better mood, but very slightly. The effects with this are very subtle, but they are there and there is a slight smoothness also to this molecule as the hits are very subtle. Again the environment is work and like the last test I am getting the same effects where the 2 guys are including me more and engaging me in conversations instead of like normal where both of them just talk and I listen. I notice also the effects are very random to and I don’t always get the same effects where sometimes people are more friendly and others I get more respect and again at other times people are more talkative. To notice any effects I usually have to open people up a little to see anything. **30MCG P79/100MCG P104** I try to really figure this thing out by adding P79 . 15MCG P79 a spray 1 to each side of neck. 50MCG a spray of P104 layered over the P79 . I am at home and just got out of the shower. I put on this setup and go to couch to relax. Wife comes over to see how my day was. She is engaging me more in conversations and more touchy than normal. Not sexual just more of showing attention and affection. She seems happier to. So the effects I am seeing from this molecule are being amplified by the P79 which is what I am looking for. Normally wife will sit by me and play on her phone and talk to me at the same time. This time she was not playing on her phone and giving me her full attention which is a nice change. **50MCG** 1 spray to throat. Setting is family gathering. We walk into my parent in laws to hang out with wife’s family. Everyone greets each other as normal and wife and I sit on the couch. Father in law is on my right and he starts chatting with me and he is in a good mood. He is giving me his full attention instead of randomly talking with everyone. Then after 30 minutes go by he gets up to take out the trash and then my sister in law sits where he does. She is engaging me in conversations and notice she is focused on me also instead of jumping in and out of conversations. So now I am seeing more of what this molecule does. Most of the time anyone within 5 feet is doing pretty much the same where they are focused on me and not anyone else. Very good night. **Conclusion** Sorry for not so great a report compared to others, but this is what I got out of it. this molecule does take time to work with. The only consistent effect I got was I was the focal point of anyone within the mone cloud and mainly with conversations. I would love to test with a sexual like TUTH or something because this may be a good thing. But mainly the effect is being the center of attention and this may be good for use around the wife. **Strength** I give a 6 as it is not strong at all compared to other molecules even when used with P79 . **Length of Effects** I got more solid effects for around 3 hours and very slight effect to around 4.5 hours. **Tenacity** Does not attack at all very subtle and slow burner **Effectiveness&Consitentcy** At first I would give a 4, but once I figured out it is for center of attention I give a 6 now. **Diffusion&Sillage** I give a 6 also. I could only seem to get to work within 3-4 feet of people and I really had to invade peoples space to get any effects. Sorry this is not an over the top report, but it is honest and fair. I will continue here and there to test this thing and if anything changes I will report back on it. As always thank you Androtics for the freebie, so in exchange here is my report.