# Putative Pheromone P84 - Caffeine-Like, Energizing **URL:** \ **Category:** Pheromone Theory & Molecules\ **Created:** [June 1, 2014, 7:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/putative-pheromone-p84-caffeine-like-energizing/62076 "2014-06-01T07:31:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 4\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![KDC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ea666f/32.png) [@KDC](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/KDC)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2014, 7:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/putative-pheromone-p84-caffeine-like-energizing/62076/1 "2014-06-01T07:31:12Z")
**[Putative Pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/product-category/advanced-pheromones/putative-pheromones/) P84 - Caffeine-Like, Energizing** [Experimone](https://a314.com/)\*\*? \*\*[Putative](https://a314.com/) Pheromone P84 \*\*Check it out in store here: \*\* [Putative P84 :: Putative Pheromones :: Androtics Direct](https://pheromonelabs.com/) Available in all dosages between 125 nanograms per spray to 5000 micrograms per spray. **Dosage Guidance (Successful Ranges Tested So Far):** **Common ways to apply: 1 to 2 sprays of 5 to 37.5 mcg** \*Please keep in mind this is merely what has worked well in the past for a very limited number of users who have conducted a limited number of tests. This information is merely provided as a convenient starting point. It’s good to be open minded and adventurous, as it’s quite possible that dosages much smaller and perhaps even larger provide useful (though often different) responses. Many molecules we have are active in at least 2 useful ranges.\* \*\*Observed P84 Effects: \*\* **Friendly, Energizing, Respect, Charm, Focus, Creative** Basing from the reports and feedback, P84 is not that popular compared to other putatives. There were only few users that had tried P84 and had shared their experiences and results. From the reports of the users, P84 is like a ?Phero caffeine?. It is said to energize the user. A user described it as a ?talk show host? pheromone. It was also compared to ?amphetamine?. Other effects that other users shared were friendliness, respect, focus and charm. It was said that P84?s effects were inconclusive in smaller dosages but effects starts at 20 mcg. \*\*Interesting Combos: \*\* - **3 drops A314, 2 sprays IH 2X, 2 sprays IShine, 1 1/2 sprays P84 (aprox. 20mcg), and 1 1/2 sprays P74 (aprox. 20mcg)([Attention from the ladies](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-night-out-with-p83-p74/9083/1))** - **10mcg of P91 and 20mcg P84 – 1 hr after p91 application ([energized](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p84/24059/1))** - P84 + P86 - _Feel free to suggest combos of your own on this thread [link]!_ **Real User Feedback:** > [@](#): > > P84 is picked up to a decent canter, so **some “horse” archetype?** …P84… well, **uplifting… mind clicking away… words come easily… confident… the good side of caffeine without the bad side of caffeine… honest and clear in a good moodish way… then tapers to kind of an upbeat background music… useful stuff I think…** > > - **tacitus** ]([https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p84-a-juicier-version-of-p85/636/1](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p84-a-juicier-version-of-p85/636)) > [@](#): > > P87 P85 **P84** > definitely **cleaner upper** s, **perception refiner** s, **focus without tension, kind of flow state enhancer** s, with P87 being the high octane brother of this group > > - **tacitus** ]([https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-a-nice-little-empathogen/646/1](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-a-nice-little-empathogen/646)) > [@](#): > > many pure putatives have been too much of unbalanced intensity, like the … **“talk show” P84** … man, P84 can do the most outlandish things, you really do feel like you’re, live, on the air… **Oprah Spray I tells ya…** > > - **tacitus** \ ([1 week of p83 - #10 by tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/1-week-of-p83/1928/10)) > [@](#): > > **There is also something attracting with the P84** > > - **Marik** \ ([Most magnetic pheromones for men?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/most-magnetic-pheromones-for-men/3796/12)) > [@](#): > > For they all give **a masculine vibe** but each with a different taste. > **P84 seems to be the strongest** of the mentioned above. > P85 is more gentle I found. > P82 seems to be the weakest. > > - **Marik** \ ([A mix of manly/sexy putatives](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-mix-of-manly-sexy-putatives/4567/3)) > [@](#): > > **P84 - Phero caffeine** > > - **Warren** \ ([Putative/Experimone wishlist? - #11 by Warren](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/putative-experimone-wishlist/24188/11)) > [@](#): > > In testing P84 with P86 I have found that equal amounts of each seem to be about right. If I use more P84 than P86 I start to get these jittery fieelings. They are milder than caffeine jitters and more mental than physical, but still distracting. > > Adding P84 to my sensuality mix I find that it dulls the “Shallow Hal”, air-brushed, beautification effect of P86 . I confirm that equal amounts of P86 and P84 seem to be about right for appropriate energizing effects. I feel much more ready to act. The mix is definitely less sensuous with the P84. I notice some of the coldness that Diane has complained about from too much P87 and that I have noted with P81 . **P84 seems to widen my field of vision** ; I am more attuned to things on the periphery. Adding more EST or P103 did little to erase **the flatness imposed by P84.** > > - **Warren** ]([https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p84/24059/2](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p84/24059)) > [@](#): > > I foun **d myself very quick with words and jokes when wearing approximately 50 mcg.** > > - **Socrates** \ ([P84 thread: first use report, since so little has been written about it - #3 by Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p84/24059/3)) > [@](#): > > It was Tacitus who first **compared P84 to caffeine. I concur. P84 has an energizing effect** which I do not get from P85. I have not found that P85 makes me more talkative – quite the contrary. > > - **Warren** \ ([P85... a nice decent buzz with no profundity - #9 by Warren](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p85-a-nice-decent-buzz-with-no-profundity/635/9)) > [@](#): > > **P84 gave me a bad headache when I wore 12.5 mcg alone** with no other pheromones. > > - **diane999** ]([https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx287-instant-blinding-headache/26010/3](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx287-instant-blinding-headache/26010)) > [@](#): > > [Comprehensive P84 Review of Warren] - **Warren** \ ([P84 thread: first use report, since so little has been written about it](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p84/24059/1)) > [@](#): > > P84 solo test: Wow! Just wow! > A bit of background info: I usually don’t do so hot in the way of charisma, such as having to put in extra effort to have my question/comment/request heard in a group. This includes my sports group to some extent. But that night, people seemed to listen to me almost without question? P84 is worth its weight in liquid gold! - **TheAttractor** ]([https://pheromonetalk.com/t/theattractors-journal/25678/8](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/theattractors-journal/25678)) > [@](#): > > P84 - 25mcg to my neck, by itself. > People at the grocery store seemed to be getting into my space a little bit, similarly to P83 with one big difference: i didn’t like it one bit. With P83 I don’t care if other people get into my space. But with this i was somewhat irritable, while at the same time kinda light-headed? Very strange. People also seemed to avoid eye contact. > > Previous attempts with P84 at 12.5mcg were inconclusive, but I couldn’t tell you for sure if that was circumstance or dosage. - **SomeoneOrNot** \ ([SomeoneOrNot's irresponsibly updated journal - #130 by SomeoneOrNot](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/someoneornots-irresponsibly-updated-journal/56263/130)) > [@](#): > > ?As to what it does?! Hard to gauge when getting a wrinkled nose pointed in my direction making me self conscious. I’ve used it several times with 10 mu up to 15 mu with a stronger ‘funny peculiar’ scent as I increase the dosage. > > I still can’t try it at 1 spray of 5 mu because of this response within 3 to 5 minutes of application. The application point would always be on the tops of my hands and wrists. This I normally do in new P or MX applications to wash off if there is a negative reaction to it within a minute or two of application. In this case, I didn’t even sense it until family would comment on the smell when I moved into a room with them. > > I’m guessing that my own personal scent and/or mones combo’d negatively with this P84. - **1Alpha** ]( [Commercial line, MX and P's mixed to create...CHAOS!](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/commercial-line-mx-and-ps-mixed-to-create-chaos/43111) ) > [@](#): > > Seems about right for both P84 and P85 … P85 feels like a stronger version of P84… P84 was my “talk show host” pheromone… you have this confidence exuding, let’s discuss the matter, active listening, getting through-ness… - **tacitus** ]([https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p85-a-nice-decent-buzz-with-no-profundity/635/3](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p85-a-nice-decent-buzz-with-no-profundity/635)) > [@](#): > > 84 is heavier, it sorta seems like A314 mutant…theres distance, respect, but theres also a bit of charm and curiosity from it. - **examine** \ ([Starting to test P84, P94 and P101: how each compares to alpha-nol, TAA and A314](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/starting-to-test-new-putatives-like-p84-p94-and-p101/2511/5)) > [@](#): > > Evolve said P84 (gone forever) was like Rone or had rone-like effects, especially at high levels. How many other Androtics products exhibit these Rone-like effects at high levels: distancing, ghosting, intimidation, overbearing, old-man effect, etc.? - **monesmadedoit** ]([https://pheromonetalk.com/t/higher-doses-of-a314/366/24](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/higher-doses-of-a314/23586)) > [@](#): > > P84 might also be in that group. I find it has some amphetamine-like characteristics. - **diane999** ]([https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-and-weight-loss/30324/6](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromones-and-weight-loss/30324/4)) > [@](#): > > P84 - Phero caffeine - **M&M** ]([https://pheromonetalk.com/t/molecule-guide/34144/5](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/molecule-guide/34144/5)) > [@](#): > > I’m going to try them once I get paid. I’m moving to a new city where I know no one. Any suggestions on which ones to make people want to approach you or be around you? I’m also interested in stuff that gives the crush effect in women. I’ve heard p84 is good at this. Any thoughts? - **Dirtin** \ ([Dirtins Journal - #7 by Dirtin](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dirtins-journal/55452/7)) > [@](#): > > Tacitus has suggested P87 and P84 for some inner brain juju. May be good for massaging your brain into a more creative state. - \*\*\*\*\ ([What Works: writing and creativity - #3 by Jasmin](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-works-writing-and-creativity/2513/3)) > [@](#): > > P84: Small changes to mood of conversation (upbeat) - **evolver** ]([https://pheromonetalk.com/t/putative-distinctiveness/39484/1](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/putative-distinctiveness/39484)) > [@](#): > > ?Thanks, I feel very welcome after these quick replies. Really a shame p84 is out of stock for my first order, I clearly see potential in this one to remove physical barriers and make people act congruently to their wants, including myself? - **empan920** \ ([Hello from Sweden! Putatives?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hello-from-sweden-putatives/60408/5)) ---
**Author:** ![Charles\_W](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/22d042/32.png) [@Charles\_W](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Charles_W)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2015, 7:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/putative-pheromone-p84-caffeine-like-energizing/62076/2 "2015-01-26T07:25:48Z")
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**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2016, 4:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/putative-pheromone-p84-caffeine-like-energizing/62076/3 "2016-01-11T16:21:12Z")
I’m not getting much by way of self effects, good or bad but I am getting a lot of attention - 1 through 3 sprays 7.5mcg P84 arund the neck on consecutive days has seen considerable attention coming my way. Mostly of the stop and stare variety and from a fair-old age range, from young teenagers transfixed and staring, to women in their 30s to 50s giving various degrees of furtive and not so furtive glances. Its actually pretty fun being such a star! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Pagodeiro](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pagodeiro/32/1226_2.png) [@Pagodeiro](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pagodeiro)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2016, 2:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/putative-pheromone-p84-caffeine-like-energizing/62076/4 "2016-01-27T14:19:33Z")
P84 is a very pretty molecule .. i found that i have to stay lower than 10 mcgs with it and it can be added very easily to many other mixes ( similar like P86 ) seems to share something with P85 and P86 in terms of effects ( not beautifying wise ) popularity wise P84 works better on dark haired women ( Arab or Latin ones ) cheers, Pago