# Putative Pheromone P97 - Conversation Opener/Facilitator **URL:** \ **Category:** Pheromone Theory & Molecules\ **Created:** [June 3, 2014, 12:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/putative-pheromone-p97-conversation-opener-facilitator/62093 "2014-06-03T12:01:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 4\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![KDC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ea666f/32.png) [@KDC](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/KDC)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2014, 12:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/putative-pheromone-p97-conversation-opener-facilitator/62093/1 "2014-06-03T12:01:22Z")
\*\*[Putative Pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/product-category/advanced-pheromones/putative-pheromones/) P97 - Conversation Opener/Facilitator \*\* [Experimone](https://a314.com/)\*\*? \*\*[Putative](https://a314.com/) Pheromone P97 \*\*Check it out in store here: \*\* [Putative P97 :: Putative Pheromones :: Androtics Direct](https://pheromonelabs.com/) Available in all dosages between 125 nanograms per spray to 5000 micrograms per spray. **Dosage Guidance (Successful Ranges Tested So Far):** \*\*Common ways to apply: 1 to 2 sprays of 2.5 to 25 mcg \*\* \*Please keep in mind this is merely what has worked well in the past for a very limited number of users who have conducted a limited number of tests. This information is merely provided as a convenient starting point. It’s good to be open minded and adventurous, as it’s quite possible that dosages much smaller and perhaps even larger provide useful (though often different) responses. Many molecules we have are active in at least 2 useful ranges.\* \*\*Observed P97 Effects: \*\* \*\* Verbally confident, Conversation facilitator, Icebreaker, Centeredness, Relaxed, Calm, Dark fascination, Self-conscious, Intimate, Productive, Focused, Respect \*\* Majority of the reports about P97 said that P97 is a verbal disinhibitor. It is an opening molecule and it promotes conversation. P97 also promotes verbal articulation and confidence, according to users. Aside from those effects, some users find P97 calming, making them centered and relaxed. It can be related to the focusing effect that some users reported, making them productive. A user shared that adding P97 to pheromone mixes creates a ?dark fascination? or ?witchy? vibe. Another notable effect at work shared by a user was it facilitates good interaction but attract terrible tips. Other distinct effects found were ?ghosting?, time dilation and increased empathy towards others. \*\*Interesting Combos: \*\* - AMMO (1 refresher) + 1 spray of P97 + 1 spray of P83 + 2 sprays of P74 (Improved flirtatious, sexual, touchy feeling) - 1 spray of 12.5 mcg P97 + 1 spray of 12.5 P95 - 1 spray of 12.5 mcg P97 + 1 spray of 12.5 P95 + 3 sprays of IO - P96 + P97 (Strong bonding, trusting and social combo) - _Feel free to suggest combos of your own on this thread [link]!_ **Real User Feedback:** > [@](#): > > Got an interesting reaction from **12.5 mcg P97 to each arm** this evening. **I had a lot of “arm interest” from a female friend.** This is the first I can definitely attribute to the product. > > I also have noticed a sense of time dilation a couple of times when using this, but I’m not certain it was the P97. > > - **Fra Septimus** ]([https://pheromonetalk.com/t/experimenting-with-p97/5300/3](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/experimenting-with-p97/5300/3)) > [@](#): > > I’d picked up a bottle (to go size) of **P97 at 12.5 mcg per spray** and figured I’d give it a go since I really haven’t seen much on the forums about it. > > About 2 hours ago I’d put **2 sprays** on- one to each side of the neck. Normally I’d have gone with one to begin with but out of habit I sprayed two. I got this in Grapefruit and I love how it smells. **After about a minute I started to feel very calm, relaxed, slightly spacey.** > > I noticed that after about 15 minutes the space cadet feelings seemed to have disappeared but I still felt very nice. Calm and relaxed but more uplifted than with Meo- Est (which I wear a lot of). > … > > - **Snoopyace** ]([https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p97-self-test/32252/1](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p97-self-test/32252)) > [@](#): > > Just a quick update. It has been about 4 hours since I first put P97 on and I could still slightly feel the effects from it. Kind of wish I wasn’t coming down from that **calm peaceful feeling** I was on. It still reminds me very much of Meo- Est combined with P96 . > > - **Snoopyace** ]([https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p97-self-test/32252/5](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p97-self-test/32252/5)) > [@](#): > > Okay, I’ve had a chance to test this around others today and I really like **P97**. For me it is a very calming yet uplifting molecule that still reminds me a bit of P96 combined with Meo- est . **I wore** 2 sprays at 12.5 mcg (one to each side of the neck) and 1 spray to each wrist for **a total of 50 mcg .** > > **It seems to make people (both genders) more relaxed and** at least as far as my limited experiences with it go, **it seems like even those you don’t know begin to act and think as if they’ve known you for a while. Seems to give a sense of bonding** as well. I really felt connected to everyone I talked with and it seemed pretty mutual. I like this one and look forward to trying it again. > > Ultimately, at least in my limited experience with this, I don’t know how sexual it is, but **I definitely believe this could be useful in a long term relationship (or even at the beginnings of one) to foster harmony and a sense of connection. It was very nice.** > > Edit- As you can tell, I haven’t included any ‘hits’ because it would be too difficult to quantify any single example. **It just seemed to make social interactions go very smoothly. I did notice that women seemed very comfortable around me even when they just met me. Same with guys, they just seemed to accept me as someone they could trust.** > > - **Snoopyace** ]([https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p97-self-test/32252/6](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p97-self-test/32252/6)) > [@](#): > > P **97- Calm, peacefulness** that also seems to work like Meo- Est to tie the other pheros together and help move them together in the same direction > > - **Snoopyace** ]([https://pheromonetalk.com/t/meo-est-p80-p83-p93-p95-p96-p97-p102-p103/33347/5](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/meo-est-p80-p83-p93-p95-p96-p97-p102-p103/33347/5)) > [@](#): > > Pheromone: PX.2 25mcg > PX.2 is P97 > Venue: Work > Temps: Low 70’s low humidity > Application Points: Sides of neck 1x (12.5mcg) per side. > > Self Effects: During my drive into work it felt like I was settled into my seat. I was in a state of “centeredness” and relaxed. Because I take this drive in to work on a daily basis, I was less aggressive in terms of internal thoughts about getting to work, I felt like I could take my time with whatever it needed. My sense of urgency wasn’t there to get there quick, but yet I was still driving fast and agressive like I normally do. It was like an emotional step back but I’m not stepping back physically. Also I don’t know what it is, but I just blurt out what’s on my mind. Stupidity of people and the nonesense answers they were giving I was just calling them out on, I didn’t care what they thought and I put a firm foot down when they were getting out of line. I normally would have just let it go but why this putative really gets me riled up I don’t know. > > Effects on others: Like how these effects have been yesterday, I had people constantly just trying to talk to me and invade my personal space. At one of the morning meetings today, it was like everyone was centered around me and and just got plain out close. > > If anything else happens I will update on this Journal, I like to keep the raw data coming out so it’s possible for future interpretation when I piece things together at different dosages and uses. - **P51Mustang** ]([https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p51mustangs-journal/38913/697](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p51mustangs-journal/38913/697)) > [@](#): > > P97 help with articulation and clarity verbally smooth confident - **tisha23** ]([https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trading-post-2011-closed-buy-sell-trade-pherotalk-members-pheromone-market/44425/655](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trading-post-2011-closed-buy-sell-trade-pherotalk-members-pheromone-market/44425)) > [@](#): > > Armour: AMMO (1 refresher) P97(1) P83(1) P74(2)? > > ? 😮 WEEEEEEEEEEEEE SWEET MIX!!! P97 seems to really seems to bring out more “…” reactions for example tonight, a more flirtatious, touchy, sexual was amplified. So I am assuming this would work well with A314 too?! - **samuraitea** ]([https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-misadventures-of-tea/42840/52](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-misadventures-of-tea/42840/52)) > [@](#): > > P97 - Adds a “dark fascination” element to the sexualised versions of the mix. - **mobocaster** ]([https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nuclear-fallout-building-a-pheremone-wmd/42789/42](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nuclear-fallout-building-a-pheremone-wmd/42789/42)) > [@](#): > > Hmmm - Alter Ego, four drops, temples and wrists plus 25mcg P97 - I seem to be a bit of a dreamboat to a mid-20s Indian woman. > > And a rather tall, scrawny, beardie gay guy in his late 20s/early 30s but I’d rather concentrate on the ladies! - **mobocaster** ]([https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mobocaster-journal/52416/152](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mobocaster-journal/52416/152)) > [@](#): > > I’m hesitant about mixing things up too much because I’ve had bad tip nights every time I’ve worn P97. I’m also trying to save money right now for a new car so I rarely go out to bars, etc. anymore. Not many testing opportunities but so much to test. I did move up to 3 sprays [10 mcg each] with the P97. The interactions with customers and coworkers themselves seem good when wearing P97 but I consistently do terrible on tips when wearing it. Overall things are going well though. I’m going to try and find more opportunities to test so I can get back to more regular reporting. - **TheBoogieMan** ]([https://pheromonetalk.com/t/theboogiemans-journal/39584/152](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/theboogiemans-journal/39584/152)) > [@](#): > > P97 Test #2 (Or, The Invisible Man Goes To The Supermarket)? > ?Self-Effects > An immediate wave of anxiety came over me upon applying the putative, which lasted about 15 minutes. I thought this was doubly unusual because I had finished a good workout just about 20 minutes prior, which usually puts me into a real solid state of mind. > > After the anxiety came irritability and introspection. I started reflecting on some of the same general discomforts and dissatisfactions that had characterized my experience last night, but without the same desperate quality. There was more of a resolve? > > Other-Effects > > Everybody in that store was all up in my business. I had no personal space at all. And not in the way that you feel like people are feeling comfortable joining you in your space. It was as though I wasn’t there at all? > > ?I started practically shouting “Excuse me” to the people who just seemed to collect in my path, and they would respond by moving out of the way (usually quite rapidly), but without looking at me or otherwise acknowledging my presence. > > ?I arrived home still feeling just overwhelmed with bitter anxiety and general dissatisfaction, which continued as I put the groceries away. This feeling passed within 5 minutes of scrubbing my application points with a soapy washcloth. > > ?Either this molecule just doesn’t agree with me at all, or I’m still ODing at 15mcgs. I’ll try it at 1/2 spray next time. - **dbot** ]([https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dbots-pheromone-journal/43727/53](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dbots-pheromone-journal/43727/53)) > [@](#): > > P97 > Reported effects include: improved mental clarity, verbal eloquence, and depth of social connection, improved empathy, increased comfort and familiarity. - **dbot** ]([https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dbots-pheromone-journal/43727/13](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dbots-pheromone-journal/43727/13)) > [@](#): > > So… effect analysis of P97 at 30-60mcg: > Settings > 3 seperate bars > > Dosage > 30mcg at first bar (stayed for approx 1.5 hrs), applied behind ears > additional 30mcg at second bar (stayed for approx 1 hour), applied behind ears > > Self-effects: > > Strong initial rush; spontaneous laughter > Increased desire for intimacy > Increased self-consciousness > Increased social inhibition > Increased internal dialog > A kind of pollyanna mental effect - I found myself smiling even when feeling unhappy > Fleeting peripheral visual hallucinations > > Other-effects > > Avoidance > Ghosting? > Intimidation? > Disgust? > Tough to read… could just be a bad night, or I could’ve been putting out a signal so alien that no one knew what to make of me. Or maybe I just reeked of grapefruit > > The only change I noticed between the 30mcg dose and the 60mcg dose was an increase in my sense of urgency, but this could also have been associated with my developing inebriation. - **dbot** ]([https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dbots-pheromone-journal/43727/49](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dbots-pheromone-journal/43727/49)) > [@](#): > > Tried P97, Akuto, 100 mu from my Togo. > > I was a bit peeved this morning and that theme seemed to NOT go away during the morning for about 3 hours. I was offered breakfast, that is, a cabin companion decided on going of for a breakfast burrito and asked me if I wanted one. I said, Hell, ya! Love the burritos at a local place around the corner from my office. > > Concentrated, focused on my PC and task at hand. Multitasked today easie(r). Did several items from my back logged to do list. > Overall, productive day. Not too smiley, tho. - **1Alpha** ]([https://pheromonetalk.com/t/commercial-line-mx-and-ps-mixed-to-create-chaos/43111/108](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/commercial-line-mx-and-ps-mixed-to-create-chaos/43111)) > [@](#): > > P97 is just an opening molecule like IO, maybe even better but doesn’t last long at all. - **still18** ]([https://pheromonetalk.com/t/does-p75-help-with-sad-social-anxiety-disorder/57724/59](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/does-p75-help-with-sad-social-anxiety-disorder/57724/59)) > [@](#): > > If you want to add the “dark fascination” or “witchy” vibe to a mix, consider some P97. I’ve had some interesting results from that paired with a sexual, again in a possibly unisex direction. Would be interesting to see what a woman makes of it. - **mobocaster** ]([https://pheromonetalk.com/t/men-help-a-lady-out-wont-ya/59722/18](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/men-help-a-lady-out-wont-ya/59722/18)) > [@](#): > > I also tested p97, up to 25 mcg along with 5 mcg TAF . The effects seemed to be subtle. It made me a bit more focused and efficient when working. That could have been the TAF , but in my previous test, I wore p97 alone and it had the same effect. I don’t think adding TAF really did anything extra. I want to test p97 around others, but I have 2.5 mcg concentration in neroli so I’d need to do a lot of sprays. I don’t want to smell like I am wearing a whole bottle of perfume and plus, I don’t like the neroli scent. - **sugarplum** ]([https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-test-results/49349/24](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-test-results/49349/24)) > [@](#): > > P97 - 1 spray - 12,5mcg > P95 - 1 spray - 12,5mcg > I simply love both of them. If the girls start to giggle, then I bet you have some P95 on. If you don’t own this molecule, then most certainly someone has sprayed it on you. Now why would anybody waste such a good thing on others is beyond me. > > P97 on the other hand is a respect and NO HOMOING molecule. No bullshitting on my watch. It seems to be more social (to women - men might become protective/aggressive) as A314 though? > > ?P97 - 1 spray - 12,5mcg > P95 - 1 spray - 12,5mcg > IO - 3 sprays? > > ?They were not flirty per se, but I did not initiate anything on my part either. > They were incredibly chatty and willing to help - even if it was against all possible policies. I am not certain if it is P95 or P97, but one of them certainly adds a trust element. - **Styr** ]([https://pheromonetalk.com/t/styrs-seagoing-trials-and-pheromone-field-tests/57049/14](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/styrs-seagoing-trials-and-pheromone-field-tests/57049/14)) > [@](#): > > At the same time i was playing around with P97 and i found it out to be a nice social modifier and an excellent none buffer… - **Pagodeiro** ]([https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p80-p97-high-none-what-at-surprise/49897/1](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p80-p97-high-none-what-at-surprise/49897)) > [@](#): > > P97 - promotes conversation - **Warren** ]([https://pheromonetalk.com/t/putative-experimone-wishlist/24188/11](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/putative-experimone-wishlist/24188/11)) > [@](#): > > 1. P97 seems to be a multi-purpose conversation facilitator (ie io / ih ) but it leans more towards heavy conversations. I’m gonna test it in mixes at low concentrations in the next few weeks, because I want to peg it down… - **johnnyhammersticks** ]([https://pheromonetalk.com/t/life-of-a-charmer/40574/23](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/life-of-a-charmer/40574/23)) > [@](#): > > P97: > ?I received this in a 12.5mcg spray. Right off the bat, let me say this is one confusing molecule.. and only towards the very end of the bottle did I start to get an idea of what was going on. > > SELF EFFECTS: ?At 12.5mcgs I noticed and almost downward pulling effect. Not bad, just that feeling of having something on your mind that you cant get at.. at 25mcgs that fog clears and what I tend to feel is awesome. For example driving in to work, or going to the park or anything you do, you feel free, open and great.. not in a caffienated buzz sense, but in a very steady no worries sense.. Its like I would look at my life and everything about seemed to be on track and getting better.. a real good feeling. > > Here is where it gets confusing.. sometimes I’d wear it at work or to see some friends or family and I’d feel like crap… angry, stressed, impatient. So much so that I became very weary of using it around people? > > As to people reactions, I think they were tainted a bit by my mood. But even when I would be cranky and short with them people seemed to want to know what was up with me and wanting to be around me? - **Centaur** ]([https://pheromonetalk.com/t/centaurs-here-be-mones-journal/56122/16](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/centaurs-here-be-mones-journal/56122/16)) > [@](#): > > The discussion of the comfort and bonding makes me wonder if it’s related or in a series with p97. p97 gives a good connection vibe with an uplift in mood but also is really good for conversationlism and building rapport through talking. they both have empathetic elements as well. > > I think I’m gonna test p96 and p97 together and see what happens. The 97 should be social enough to add on top of the comfort from the 96. - **Reclipse** ]([https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p96-report/43266/9](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p96-report/43266/9)) > [@](#): > > P97 is far more effective as Anol . It a icebreaker, I never see approach hits like this as withanol, also much deeper and one of the best none buffers out there. > > Together with P96, you have a strong bonding, trusting and social combo. Opens shy girls and you have a better acute sense of humor… - **JohnnyHard** ]([https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-made-you-choose-the-putative-you-did/50752/16](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-made-you-choose-the-putative-you-did/50752/16)) > [@](#): > > ?40 mcgs later I met up with a man… The P97 did its thing and we had a real conversation where he stated his thoughts and feelings on the ideas, I shared mine, we disagreed on some agreed on others, but it was great conversation. It may have been the first “real” conversation he has had with someone in a long time. We both left in high spirits, our time together felt well spent. He actually picked up the tab LOL. - **andrew88777** ]([https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p97-the-new-io/33833/18](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p97-the-new-io/33833/18)) > [@](#): > > Test: Work/Home/Errands > Products: A314 and P97 > Amount: 2 drops A314 and 40 mcg P97 > > Effects: I tested this molecule by itself and enjoyed it very much. P97 is sweeter smelling molecule. Reminds me of a NOL type. I was able to rock it without cover with just a 6% neroli scent. No burnt rubber smell here LOL. > > I really like this molecule even by itself. The effect that stands out the most is the self enhancement of communication during conversations. Each time I have worn this, I have noticed way smoother communication with others. Not only in person, but over the phone as well. The hits really are with everyone so nothing that I really would want to bore you guys with. It reminds me of IO in a way, due to it allowing the wearer to speak what’s on their mind and really open up during a conversation. I notice that I have better manners, which in return is reciprocated by most that I come in contact with. > > I decided to put this into a combo with A314 due to A314 's effects on others, making them wary of approach.P97 did not seem to break that bubble that A314 puts up. I think that this is a positive, due to it actually adding to A314 without bringing any negative effects that IO can bring (IE appearing weaker to others, talking too much). It does not have you spilling your guts like with IH. It works when YOU decide to speak to someone. That is a definite plus in my book! - **andrew88777** ]([https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p97-the-new-io/33833/1](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p97-the-new-io/33833)) > [@](#): > > P97 is some kind of catalyst and very close related to P96 (which is out of stock)? > ?P97 promotes straight-talk conversation, no BS. Lets do this. - **Iwatkins** ]([https://pheromonetalk.com/t/non-aggressive-sig/60950/5](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/non-aggressive-sig/60950/5)) > [@](#): > > P97: > I like to think of it as slight Status, confidence and a ease of going through the world. I see it as a like molecule to P96 . Except P97 has one special combination, with high eNone ! It shifts high eNone to become a dark mysterious vibe. It greatly improves any high eNone mix. - **KIMBA** ]([https://pheromonetalk.com/t/rambling-thoughts-on-ps-and-molecules/61108/1](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/rambling-thoughts-on-ps-and-molecules/61108)) > [@](#): > > p97 is mine. Such an amazing yet enigmatic putative. - **2000GT** ]([https://pheromonetalk.com/t/your-fav-stand-alone-putative/52667/9](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/your-fav-stand-alone-putative/52667/9)) > [@](#): > > Got an interesting reaction from 12.5 mcg P97 to each arm this evening. I had a lot of “arm interest” from a female friend. This is the first I can definitely attribute to the product. > > I also have noticed a sense of time dilation a couple of times when using this, but I’m not certain it was the P97. - **Fra Septimus** ]([https://pheromonetalk.com/t/experimenting-with-p97/5300/3](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/experimenting-with-p97/5300/3)) > [@](#): > > well, another test. Same spray locations, 20mcg this time around. Location was my mom’s place, her car, the chinese take out joint and back again. > > Self effects: > calmer thought process, words came more naturally, again that dis inhibiting effect on what to say. Not shutting off the internal monologue, just made thoughts and words come more easily. I also had another self realization moment today that only occurred after spraying p97. this one was a bit more profound than the “wtf just happened” moment I had last time. It was more of a final realization of how my actions have contributed to the current situation with my ex. Still, I’m liking these self effects. > > Effects on others: Well, it’s my mother and I don’t generally test around her. I didn’t notice much from her as she was somewhat quiet. - **2000GT** ]([https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p97-possible-alternative-to-instant-honesty/44163/7](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p97-possible-alternative-to-instant-honesty/44163/7)) > [@](#): > > P97 at 25mcg for me: > Eases inhibitions for conversation, allowing easier discussion. > Natural flow of conversation, no stumbling, “ums” or “uhs” - **2000GT** ]([https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p97-possible-alternative-to-instant-honesty/44163/1](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p97-possible-alternative-to-instant-honesty/44163)) > [@](#): > > P97 - seems to enhance focus. - **Nunya** ]([https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lust-vs-deep-connection-vs-playful/2340/4](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lust-vs-deep-connection-vs-playful/2340/4)) > [@](#): > > P97 - No Bullshit Molecule. Makes me have zero tolerance for any kind of bullshitting and homoing. Period. People are expected to behave and be respecting. If not, then phcuk (Not literally) them. Might be a cure for the Beta epidemic plaguing many men. 😛 > \*When in public or neutral territory - People seem to seek for the approval or permission of the wearer. > \*When in a territory owned or claimed by someone else, the owner may become defensive and hostile towards the wearer. - **Styr** ]([https://pheromonetalk.com/t/styrs-putatives-and-other-molecules/60607/1](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/styrs-putatives-and-other-molecules/60607)) > [@](#): > > so far the biggest effect from p97 that I have noticed is how it makes you feel like a million bucks. you just feel good, in a very subtle sort of way, yet very powerfully. It kind of takes your worries and anxieties and allows you to file them away and feel good. its like instant perspective. the caveat here is that i’ve done very little testing and it seems to depend on what you are wearing. - **Centaur** ]([https://pheromonetalk.com/t/such-an-awesome-mix/57225/5](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/such-an-awesome-mix/57225/5)) > [@](#): > > Good report. I really like P97. It is great for sharing thoughts like you mentioned. It also brings out more empathy towards others. It really ups rapport. Sometimes too much, if you are trying to accomplish something and you do not keep in mind what you are trying to accomplish. I have had negative results when having too much rapport and find myself agreeing and even helping justify someone telling me no in a business situation. LOL - **andrew88777** ]([https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p97/43196/4](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p97/43196/4)) ---
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**Author:** ![Androtics](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e9c0ed/32.png) [@Androtics](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Androtics)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 5:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/putative-pheromone-p97-conversation-opener-facilitator/62093/3 "2016-05-17T17:29:44Z")
**Note:** _This is a compilation of reports from a Canadian, Male RU submitted via email._ ==================== submitted November 25, 2015, 12:03 **PRODUCTS:** \* P97 (12.5 mcg/spray) X 1 spray to\*neck (8h00 AM) Location: Child daycare (both days), home (both_days), car repair shop (Day 1), convenience store / fuel station (Day_2), restaurant (Day 2) First Impressions: It smells [Neroli](https://a314.com/product-category/scented/androtics-neroli/)_(6%) and something else, probably the molecule itself. Upon_application, I got a feeling of lightheadedness that subsided ten_minutes after. This happened only one Day 1. I got no other immediate_physiological effects. Usage & Application Points:\* _Dosage:_ 12.5 mcg per spray applied 1 X to neck, for a total of\*approximately 12.5 mcg. (Same for Day 1 and Day 2). _Most_Appropriate Environment:\* Not a social one. Not a flirting one. Not\* sexual. Maybe a business confusion weapon among other things, it is a\*bit early to say. Types of Effects observed these_two days: Seriousness_(self), quiet irritability (self), mystery vibe (self), temper_improvement regarding noisy environments (self), difficulty speaking_coherently (self), sowing confusion (others), light intimidation\*(others), possible bartering lubricant, helpful vibe (others). It_was my first try ever of putative P97. This one is rarely talked_about. Since I prefer approaching putatives in a blind testing way, I_did not know very much what to expect from it and that’s a good_thing. First of all, like many putatives, it smells neroli… and_something else. The something else is quite present, it smells like_bodily fluid, not like old body odor however, let’s say fresh sweat,_so not pleasing, but not that bad either. In the long run, if that_ putative proves interesting, I think I would wear a cover scent with_it, especially if used solo. I got no complaints during the day_however, this is just my own perception. The_test was made over two days because the results I got on Day 1 were a_ bit inconclusive. **Day\*1:00** I_felt lightheaded two minutes after application, but it did not last.Ten minutes later, that was gone. The muscles in my head relaxed verymuch and quite suddenly after like 30 minutes. I felt a sense of_calm. I felt no anxiety or anything. I_found myself much more tolerant to noisy enviornnments. Screaming and_ crying children (not mine) sounded as light elevator music that I_could easily choose not to concentrate on. I like kids, but I’m_usually a bit intolerant to crying and screaming manifestations. I_had relatively few socials contacts on this first day, so it’s hard_to assess the effect in a social setitng on this try. I_went to the car repair shop and was able to barter the price down a_bit for a car repair bill. I got an helpful vibe from the owner. I_have been looking for a very specific car part that junkyard guys_will not sell outside of a very expensive asembly, and I don’t want_to pay the full price on that, he told me he’d make some phone calls_around for me. I_did not notice anything language-wise since i had few contacts during_the day, however in the afternoon, like 6 hours after application, I_was stumbling over many words while talking to my girlfriend, I was_having a hard time making intelligible sentences on the first try._The words or syllables came in the wrong order, at least 10_occurences. It felt like a phosphorus deficience. It rarely happens_to me. I don’t know if its mone-related of mone-kickdown related, but_I thought I’d mention it since it is out of the ordinary. Next\* morning, everything was normal. At_the end of Day 1, I was a bit irritable with the kids, but in a_passive way. That’s what I called quiet irritability above. This was_not related to noise, but to them not paying attention to parental_authority. My_girlfriend came to see me in the bedroom in the afternoon and_snuggled me from up close. No comments about odor or anything. **Day\*2:00** I_went to fuel the car. I was wearing secret agent type of black_sunglasses. I went to pay the cashier inside. The clerk was a female,_maybe 20, with chestnut hair, 6/10. Even though I wore glasses, she_avoided any eye contact with them. The girl had a hard time talking,_clearly. She seemed confused. That’s it. She went "Would you_like your…" (and changed her mind ont the question to ask)_“You had 52$ of gas, right?”, "Would you like your_ rigerhz (for ‘receipt’) than she detected a protocol breach on her_side and instantly replaced this one by a second question without_letting me the time to answer:… "Err, do you have the (…)_reward card? - No - Will you need the paper err… er-ceipt (it came_out that way first, no typo here, altough this is also loose_translation, but that was better than rigerhz (loose translation_ also))… (then she got it right) receipt! Is she just half-wit? Is\*she confused by me? Is she intimidated by me? Is it the glasses?\*Maybe it’s Maybelline (kidding!)! I don’t know, but that was weird.\*Even when she handed me the receipt, she did not really look at me. I_went to the child daycare, my girlfriend had some paperwork for me to_give to a women there. She was a 50’s brunette 4/10. I gave her the_papers and I asked for copies so I could bring back the originals.There was definite confusion / hesitation on her side. It was likeshe did not know how to use the copier. I mean, they are 3 women in_that office, and you work here everyday, and you wouldn’t know how to_perform this basic task? Come on! She brought up something about the_paper format not being the right one and that it would be more_difficult. It was standard letter size paper for Chrysler’s sake. You_just pop the paper in the top compartment, press start and you get_your copies, right? Not for her. She went through like five menus to_select the letter size paper. But every copier has this by default._Moreover, most modern copiers detect automatically the format you are_feeding to it and it will make your copy based on what comes in. At_one point, she only had to tap OK on the touch screen, she made five_attempt before I saw that the right size was actually already_selected. That’s why the machine was ignoring the modification. I_cracked a few jokes to ease up the atmosphere, then explained to her_what was happening there. But I thought, what a dimwit, that lady.She finally made the copies. She looked at the two original pages forlike ten seconds. I then undertsood she was going through the process_of thinking: “Must Sta-ple Sheets To-get-her” because she\* eventually reached for a stapler. She gave me back the original. What_an ordeal it all was. And during all that time, the other lady_sitting like two feet away never came to the rescue. Apart from that,\*I felt some type of helpful vibe though from the first woman. When_I went upstairs to get my kids, the substitute called up my older son_ who was in the adjacent room. During that time, I was looking through_the agendas on the table to get my son’s. I picked it up. She saw me_picking it up. My son arrived, she tells me all went well today with_him, then she frantically goes through the agendas on the table to_give me my son’s, but I already have it, and she had seen me pick it_up a minute earlier. I jokingly flashed the agenda near her face and_she bursted out laughing, saying on a playful tone: "Oh, that’s_nasty (loose translation), you had it already, uh?". I mean the_girl is like 22. It was so funny, I couldn’t help but laugh. She’s\* good looking, 8/10, long-haired blonde with a ponytail 🙂. Would I\*get nasty with her? Hell, yes. I_did not experience the word-stumble thing on Day 2. In fact, I was_having normal and fluent quality of speech all day long. I_went to have luch at a restaurant with my family and nothing much_happened. It was 10 hours+ after application, so not much effect._Only thing noted was the waitress sticking her knee out and raising_her breast to note down my order. Probably not P97 related, but who_knows, so I’ll mention it. At least, she got the order right, so the_confusion, if any, had worn of by that time. Good thing, I would’nt\*have wanted to end up with a green-pea hot-chicken!! **General\*observations for Day 1 and Day 2:** During_Day 1 and Day 2, I felt very serious, except on one or two occasions_ that were explained. I was not sad, not cranky, but serious: I felt\*like I was no fun, really. Both_days I have been exposed to kids crying and screaming and the same_ effect was observed, I could actually ignore it quite easily! I’m not_talking about focus, yet, more tolerance, but I’ll be on the look-out_on my next tries. I_didn’t feel any status boost or anything like that. I felt more_reserved and enigmatic (that’s what I called mystery vibe above). I_am not blunt, but not overly nice to people either. There is a bit of_coldness that comes with that seriousness. That wouldn’t be a social,\*for me. It does not seem like a flirting molecule either. Looking_back at that girl at the convenience store, the copier lady and my_ word-stumbling episode, I can’t help but wonder, is P97 confusion_juice or what? Around me, I seemed to be sowing confusion. Not a_useless thing to have around, if eventually confirmed, but this would_need to be harnessed and steered in some way. I am still on solo_testing now, but I have a few mix ideas in my head already for the_future. In the meatime, note to myself, do not wear this before_undergoing a surgery 🙂. Business-wise,_there might be a possibility for it to work in certain contexts. But_that’s just a work hypothesis for now. That’s_about it for now. I will have to retry this one in different settings_and probably at different dosages. \*\*Strength:_Seriousness 5/10 (to be confirmed), quiet irritability 2/10 (experienced only once, to be confirmed), mystery vibe 2/10 (to beconfirmed), temper improvement regarding noisy environments 6/10_(observed twice, to be confirmed), difficulty speaking coherently_4/10 (experienced only once, to be confirmed), bringing confusion to_others 7/10 (to be confirmed), intimidation to others 3/10 (to be_confirmed), bartering lubricant 2/10 (experienced only once, to be_confirmed), helpful vibe 3/10 (to be confirmed). **Length\*of Effects and/or Tenacity:** Most effects lasted 4-5 hours, except for_the word-stumbling effect, which, if eventually confirmed, happened a_bit more than 6 hours after application. After 10 hours, effects were\*all confirmed gone. _Effectiveness& Consistency:_\* Since this is my first try of the P97 molecule_over two days, no effects are considered confirmed as for now. I’ll_ try P97 at 25 mcg._I’m ready to up the dose to see wether the confusion thing is real_and repeatable. I’ll repeat at 12.5 mcg later. \*\*Diffusion/Sillage:_With the girl at the convenience store, the sillage was at least 3feet distance. With the copier lady, I was maybe two feet away. Withthe child daycare substitue, I was at three feet at first, then_ upclose at 1 feet. If_it had a texture, what would it feel like? A fine mist in the_morning. If_it were edible or drinkable, what would it taste like? By all means,without any hesitation: EGGPLANTS,yes EGGPLANTS!! I don’t know why, it reminds of the spell that theEggplant Wizard did cast on his enemy’s head in Nintendo’s Kid Icarusback in the day, all with the HPROOOOWOOWOOWOOM sound! Man was that_dungeon music haunting! [youtube.com/watch?v=xMSX1j8qLfU](http://youtube.com/watch?v=xMSX1j8qLfU) (skip\*straight to around 06:00) What_celebrity or public figure is it most like? The Disney’s depiction of_the Cheshire Cat or the Sphinx from the classic Batman TV series. _If_it were music, what would it sound like? :\* Syd Barrett’s Octopus. Mad\*Genius.\*[youtube.com/watch?v=-wLbi3NX0Q0](http://youtube.com/watch?v=-wLbi3NX0Q0) ---
**Author:** ![Jdub](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jdub/32/1399_2.png) [@Jdub](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jdub)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2017, 4:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/putative-pheromone-p97-conversation-opener-facilitator/62093/4 "2017-01-05T04:54:58Z")
**P97 test** _(Togo)_ **5 MCG** Sprayed 1 spray to right side of neck. Headed out shopping. Felt a slight tunnel vision effect. A little nonchalant as well like disinhibiting. When I got out my car I felt really light, like my body had no weight. Perhaps like a muscle relaxer effect or like an adaptogen. Walking around the store no real noticeable effects. Didn’t seem to ghost people or anything. However a teens bleach blonde gal borderline DIHL’d. Also a middle aged Hispanic/white male DIHL’d. Some others made some decent eye contact. **10 MCG** about 20 minutes into shopping I add another spray to the right side of neck. Feeling a little lighter. Starting to feel like a jerk like I’m not concerned about moving out of people’s way, etc. starting also to get more looks my way from all women. Men seem a bit more respectful. The desire to be sarcastic grew. I was also texting with a girl I mess around with and was very stern and alpha like. White women seem to DIHL quite a bit. Worry seemed to have gone out the door as well. Found myself not caring about things that usually bother me. I generally found myself enjoying my day more. Extremely disinhibiting. Witty remarks rolled right off the tongue. Even though it was disinhibiting I felt I had complete control of everything and saw my next move ahead of time. Felt super energized. Super nootropic effects. Brain processing function highly increased. Perhaps a slight strength increase. Sense of smell decrease. Walked by someone smoking a cigarette and couldn’t even smell it. Also hard to smell the mones on my neck. (Interesting to see how P97 and P102 would pair) People were friendly and kind, however I didn’t care. No real effects hit wise other than what was noted. **15 MCG** Added 1 more spray to Adam’s apple in my car and head to another store. Feeling even more nonchalant and carefree, happy yet not ‘gay’. Have a lot of control over self, super nootropic like. Sense of smell seems almost totally gone. Beautiful women don’t phase me, I see them and am not impressed at all. 20s beach blonde seems to DIHL me well and also a cute 20s Hispanic female. The rest of the women don’t seem affected too much at the store. Not very talkative. But very responsive when spoken to. 40s blonde Caucasian female ringing me up was super friendly, I myself was sort of rude and witty. All the while the same blondes and Hispanic gals are just checking me out and I’m acting as if they don’t exist. Also seemed to cause a loss of taste slightly. **25 MCG** Got in car and added 2 more sprays, 1 to either side of neck. Headed out to another store. Mental aquity began to decline. Found it hard to focus. A little jittery feeling as well. Sense of smell even more gone but started to feel hot and cold temperatures more easily. Also seemed to ghost people. My presence wasn’t acknowledged. Found it hard to figure out what I was doing. Staring at labels not knowing what I’m even looking for. Also started to shiver but the day is quite warm. However, heart rate seemed dramatically declined or rather ‘normal’. **50 MCG** added all the same amounts of sprays in the same places. Figured I already have 25 mcgs on might as well try a heavy dose. Didn’t go to anymore stores, just wanting to note self effects. After the 10 sprays I can finally smell the neroli scent. Felt a slight increase in effects, but still basically all the same. Came home wanted to see what my dog thought about 50mcgs P97. She turned out to be way less rambunctious, like 80% less. Also didn’t seem to want to lick my face or throat until I completely offered it. **Conclusion..** _Sillage:_ ~ 8ft _Scent:_ Orange, nice, nothing negative _Rating:_ 10/10 If these are the desired effects one seeks, they would be quite happy. _Length of effects:_ At least about 4 hours. That is around the time I washed it off. _Consistency:_ 100% self effects 75% effects on others _Self effects:_ P97 seems to cause disinhibition, nootropic effects, clean energy, loss of sense of smell and taste, confidence, carefree behavior, mental acuity, euphoria, relaxation _Effects on others:_ Social, attention grabbing _Side notes:_ Really like this molecule. Seems to be a good steering molecule. Throw it with TUTH for alpha sexuality. Or with IH for non inhibited personal interaction. I imagine P97 would be good for introverts who want to be more outgoing or especially good for men who want to have more courage approaching women. This would also be a good coffee/energy drink alternative. Good for studying as well because of the mental enhancing properties. I think I can say one of my new favorite molecules. No negatives effects I could notice. 10-15mcgs seems to be the sweet spot.