# Putatives & MXs for reporting users only. **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [June 17, 2011, 2:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/putatives-mxs-for-reporting-users-only/50788 "2011-06-17T02:48:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![PheroJack](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pherojack/32/527_2.png) [@PheroJack](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroJack)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2011, 2:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/putatives-mxs-for-reporting-users-only/50788/1 "2011-06-17T02:48:55Z")
Not only is AD loosing money making these MXs and Ps but non reporting users usually buy it and NEVER even report on them, that’s if they even have a forum account to begin with. Since Ps and MXs are aimed at the “more advanced” users that are able to tell and differentiate from the behaviour of a molecule or a product to another, then I think it makes more sense to make it available only to reporting user. another suggestion just so that non reporting users don’t kill me is to make them more expensive. Instead of starting at 28$, may be at 56$. That makes it so a regular customer won’t think about buying these molecules before looking and trying out everything in the instant line first. Tell me what you think. ---
**Author:** ![Pandakun](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pandakun/32/953_2.png) [@Pandakun](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pandakun)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2011, 6:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/putatives-mxs-for-reporting-users-only/50788/2 "2011-06-17T06:49:06Z")
How About This… A Good Report with Usable Data Earns you a Discount on the Next Purchase… Prices Slightly Raised on p’s and MX’s to Limit Non Reporting Users from Purchasing Them… For Example You Bought a Punitive at List Price (say $35)… Once you Report on THAT Punitive You then get a Credit for 1/2 it’s Price that You Paid… In This Manner You ONLY get Benefits of a Reporting User for Actually Doing the Work (Could Save AD some Cash in the Long Run)… In a Manner of Saying “Quid Pro Quo”… I Think that Sounds Fair… ---
**Author:** ![Misein](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Misein](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Misein)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2011, 8:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/putatives-mxs-for-reporting-users-only/50788/3 "2011-06-17T08:06:02Z")
I bought [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) and don’t report much about it, simply because I haven’t yet found anything that hasn’t already been said a million times. I don’t write journals about anything because I don’t have the time to experiment very much. I just write a post once in a while when something fun or odd has happened but my work mostly is solitary business where I meet very few people during an ordinary day and I don’t have too much spare time. Why is it important to you that only a select few get hold of the putatives and MX’s when it obviously isn’t to AD? That would probably be my point here. ---
**Author:** ![PheroJack](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pherojack/32/527_2.png) [@PheroJack](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroJack)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2011, 8:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/putatives-mxs-for-reporting-users-only/50788/4 "2011-06-17T08:32:30Z")
> [@Pandakun](#): > > How About This… A Good Report with Usable Data Earns you a Discount on the Next Purchase… Prices Slightly Raised on p’s and MX’s to Limit Non Reporting Users from Purchasing Them… For Example You Bought a Punitive at List Price (say $35)… Once you Report on THAT Punitive You then get a Credit for 1/2 it’s Price that You Paid… In This Manner You ONLY get Benefits of a Reporting User for Actually Doing the Work (Could Save AD some Cash in the Long Run)… In a Manner of Saying “Quid Pro Quo”… I Think that Sounds Fair… This needs a massive amount of work from the part of the staff. An easier solution: report and keep reporting about the Instant line. Earn reporting user status. Access granted 🙂. > [@Misein](#): > > I bought P83 and don’t report much about it, simply because I haven’t yet found anything that hasn’t already been said a million times. You are supposed to be testing it BLINDLY. every report is more valuable than the price you paid for the putative. Yes, I’m serious and its not from me but from the staff’s own posts. > [@](#): > > I don’t write journals about anything because I don’t have the time to experiment very much. I just write a post once in a while when something fun or odd has happened but my work mostly is solitary business where I meet very few people during an ordinary day and I don’t have too much spare time. > > Why is it important to you that only a select few get hold of the putatives and MX’s when it obviously isn’t to AD? That would probably be my point here. Simply because more and more products aren’t getting restocked for the simple fact that not enough reports are available on them and the money that the company wastes on these molecules and products…someone could correct me if I’m wrong here. it would be better to save these molecules for testing to people who are actually going to test them and report on them, thus helping the company make better products that EVERYONE could benefit from… makes sense 🙂? ---
**Author:** ![Pandakun](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pandakun/32/953_2.png) [@Pandakun](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pandakun)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2011, 8:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/putatives-mxs-for-reporting-users-only/50788/5 "2011-06-17T08:35:32Z")
Even if it’s Been Said a BILLION Times it’s DATA… Repeated Results are Important… It’s Important that the Ones that Get the Punitives Give Back some Info… The Only One I Have is [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) and I’ve Done Some Reporting on the Forum with What I Found… Mainly as with P83 you Only Hear 1-2 Effects and There are Others that Just are Being Missed by Many… Good Reports Now Means Better Products Later On… I Don’t Care WHO Buys the Stuff, But If you Report and it’s Valid Data that Should be Rewarded… ---
**Author:** ![Pandakun](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pandakun/32/953_2.png) [@Pandakun](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pandakun)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2011, 8:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/putatives-mxs-for-reporting-users-only/50788/6 "2011-06-17T08:38:23Z")
> [@PheroJack](#): > > This needs a massive amount of work from the part of the staff. An easier solution: report and keep reporting about the Instant line. Earn reporting user status. Access granted 🙂. The Problem is that Many “Reporting Users” are Not Reporting… They Got the Status and the Reward so Now they Kick Back… That’s Not Good for Anyone… Granted NOT All of them Do that… But How Many Reporting Users to You Honestly See Reporting?!? Less then 10 Maybe… ---
**Author:** ![Misein](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Misein](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Misein)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2011, 8:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/putatives-mxs-for-reporting-users-only/50788/7 "2011-06-17T08:41:42Z")
> [@PheroJack](#): > > This needs a massive amount of work from the part of the staff. An easier solution: report and keep reporting about the Instant line. Earn reporting user status. Access granted 🙂. > > You are supposed to be testing it BLINDLY. every report is more valuable than the price you paid for the putative. Yes, I’m serious and its not from me but from the staff’s own posts. > > **Simply because more and more products aren’t getting restocked for the simple fact that not enough reports are available on them and the money that the company wastes on these molecules and products…someone could correct me if I’m wrong here. it would be better to save these molecules for testing to people who are actually going to test them and report on them, thus helping the company make better products that EVERYONE could benefit from… makes sense** 🙂? Sure, it makes sense. I still hope your vision here doesn’t come true, because I like trying all kinds of stuff although I lack the time to really collect data on the effects and make useful reports. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Aghor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/aghor/32/1558_2.png) [@Aghor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Aghor)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2011, 9:14am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/putatives-mxs-for-reporting-users-only/50788/8 "2011-06-17T09:14:20Z")
most of the putatives and Mxs are still open for sale at regular prices~ 28 for regular strength. So you need not be a reporting user to get putative at 28$ a bottle. the price has been jacked up only for products on which there is a run based on earlier reports .. like [P75](https://a314.com/product/p75/) which I think is a very good idea. it may be a good idea to let regular members sample the untested putatives at regular prices. So if someone wants to test them out and post reports.. it also shows his intention of giving back to the community … thats a tomorrows reporting user we are talking about… ---
**Author:** ![ClintX2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9e8a1a/32.png) [@ClintX2](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ClintX2)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2011, 9:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/putatives-mxs-for-reporting-users-only/50788/9 "2011-06-17T09:42:28Z")
> [@PheroJack](#): > > Since Ps and MXs are aimed at the “more advanced” users that are able to tell and differentiate from the behaviour of a molecule or a product to another, then I think it makes more sense to make it available only to reporting user. > > Tell me what you think. This has been discussed before. I think it was when the MXs were running low and one of the member’s mentioned doing this. The response was that **this is against the nature of the forum- something like this forum is all about experimentation and if a wide range of people aren’t able to access the molecules then it defeats the purpose**. Sometimes new people discover new and interesting things others have not seen yet and sometimes they don’t report at all- but it comes with the territory. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![menger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d6d6ee/32.png) [@menger](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/menger)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2011, 1:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/putatives-mxs-for-reporting-users-only/50788/10 "2011-06-17T13:04:30Z")
i don’t believe that it is still considered blind testing the moment they label it with a “PXX” and allow people to publish their reports, allow people to leave feedback of the P on their sale site and have a best seller list. ---
**Author:** ![2000GT](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/2000gt/32/389_2.png) [@2000GT](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/2000GT)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/putatives-mxs-for-reporting-users-only/50788/11 "2011-06-17T14:03:56Z")
> [@Pandakun](#): > > The Problem is that Many “Reporting Users” are Not Reporting… They Got the Status and the Reward so Now they Kick Back… That’s Not Good for Anyone… Granted NOT All of them Do that… But How Many Reporting Users to You Honestly See Reporting?!? Less then 10 Maybe… Well, it’s not all ways that people don’t want to report. I tend to go through phases of not wearing pheros, either because I’m clearing my head or the weather doesn’t permit good use of it, especially since my job is mainly outdoors. I’ve tried journals but tbh, they aren’t my thing. So instead I’m just keeping a private log at home of any tests I run. Right now I’m compiling tests on p97 and starting tests on p75 but I won’t report anything until I’ve got a decent amount of data to report. I’m not the only one who does this either. As for the original idea, _shrugs_ 28 bucks here and there does add up quickly, hell, even 14 bucks can add up and that’s assuming that you start at the low end of the mcg/spray. ---
**Author:** ![Blacky\_Chan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/blacky_chan/32/973_2.png) [@Blacky\_Chan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Blacky_Chan)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2011, 3:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/putatives-mxs-for-reporting-users-only/50788/12 "2011-06-17T15:33:12Z")
Androtics is a business they exist first and foremost to make money, not to make a select few posters happy. Human nature being what it is, how long before people start posting bogus reports just to get a discount. I’ve already seen what I believe is a plagarized report. Why charge a non reporting member double? Is his report any less valuable than a reporting member? What about a time limit to access P’s and MX’s. 90 days , 6months, 1 year. How about a person test every product in the instant line first? Greed is an odd thing. I’m not greedy and could care less wether reporting or non reporting members buy MX’s and P’s. A question for all people in favor of limiting non reporting members. How long did you wait before jumping into P’s and MX’s? ---
**Author:** ![rolandcubed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b782af/32.png) [@rolandcubed](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/rolandcubed)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2011, 3:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/putatives-mxs-for-reporting-users-only/50788/13 "2011-06-17T15:51:59Z")
You reporting members already get a discount. Why are you still complaining? That’s the real question. If you didn’t already have a benefit, this would be a legitimate argument for limiting other users, but you don’t. And there are products which are limited that are only available to reporting users already. [Putative P75 :: Putative Pheromones :: Androtics Direct](https://a314.com/product/p75/) [ExperiMone™ Pheromone TAF :: ExperiMone™ Series :: Androtics Direct](https://pheromonelabs.com/) These are priced at $999 each. I doubt reporting users will see this price so high. So please, I disagree with your line of thinking. It’s a very black and white form where you ignore all shades of gray.