# Putatives testing p74 p93 p83 **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [March 29, 2008, 5:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/putatives-testing-p74-p93-p83/10554 "2008-03-29T05:37:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![mockingbird](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mockingbird/32/1790_2.png) [@mockingbird](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2008, 5:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/putatives-testing-p74-p93-p83/10554/1 "2008-03-29T05:37:09Z")
I have been testing those three product for a month. The general results are good but some are a little inconsistent. All three putative are 7.5 mcg per spray, a good concentration for testing, since I only need two sprays to get a decent phero-distribution. P93 Info The best product is p93 in my opinion. A lot of hits at anywhere from 7.5 mcg to 22.5 mcg šŸ˜ƒ I only have sprayed this to the top of my hair, except the first time where I _tried_ to get on the back of my head/neck, but accidentally turn the atomized and sprayed everything on my hand instead šŸ†’ Results A lot of long smile with stares from girls of my age (around 20 years old). I can see those almost everyday that I wear this (but I dont wear this alone too often, so it might be due to other pheros like a314, cttm/instant openness). I also had girls keeping the doors open for me šŸ˜® with a big smile on their face at least 3 or 4 times when I was walking at the same speed beside them or just a little bit slower than them. If I had to pick one putative, p93 will definitly be my first choice. [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) Now I didnā€™t really see anything on its own. I have used 1 to 4 sprays of 7.5 mcg per spray of p74, not anything too interesting. _technical background stuff_ But I then started to mix p74 with a314 mutant, trying to creating a homemade mx102. I havenā€™t had the chance to try the real mx102 or 03 04 05, so I canā€™t make any comparaison. Here is the mix 10 drops of a314 mutant 2.2 ml of p74 (I got a precise pipette) This will give you about 20 sprays, and also kind of replicate the mx102ā€™s 10 mcg per spray rule. \*my mutant is a little bit stronger (supposed to be 25% stronger) Application point: neck or under my ears _Results_ This is the mix that is a little inconsistent. P74 makes the a314 stronger on many occasions. Much more effects and respect, almost intimidation. I am not an unapproachble person, but this kind of make everyone quiet around me, they all waited for me to say something, at two sprays only! But at a few other occasions, it seem dimish a314ā€™s effect. Even at 3 or 4 sprays, there is less observable results than 1 drop of M.a314. This mix only give respect and trust like a314, not sexual hits that others say mx102 offers. I donā€™t really know what to do to tweak it, any ideas will be great šŸ™‚ I mix the bottle well, but the only explanation possible is that the oil still settles a little bit in the bottle, or maybe it is because that a314 mutant properties is different in some ways. P83 Application point: hair 2 or 3 sprays at 7.5 mcg per sprays This works a little weird for me. At 15 or 22.5 mcg, people get confused or have dihl, but arenā€™t scared running. I need to specify that dihl or confusion almost never happens to me with any other product. Need more testing and will repost šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![Eldros](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eldros/32/279_2.png) [@Eldros](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Eldros)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2008, 6:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/putatives-testing-p74-p93-p83/10554/2 "2008-03-29T06:01:41Z")
Great report. I have a full bottle of p93 that I wonā€™t use cause I canā€™t stand the ā€˜herbal eoā€™ scent it came with ā˜¹. P74, Iā€™m sure that people are affected subconsciously more than you know. [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/), Iā€™m still testing, but it usually makes for a good day šŸ˜ƒ. ---
**Author:** ![Eslite119](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eslite119/32/176_2.png) [@Eslite119](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Eslite119)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2008, 3:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/putatives-testing-p74-p93-p83/10554/3 "2008-03-29T15:37:29Z")
> [@mockingbird](#): > > P83 > > Application point: hair > 2 or 3 sprays at 7.5 mcg per sprays > > This works a little weird for me. At 15 or 22.5 mcg, people get confused or have dihl, but arenā€™t scared running. I need to specify that dihl or confusion almost never happens to me with any other product. > > Need more testing and will repost šŸ™‚ Good report! [P93](https://a314.com/product/p93/) Iā€™m still weary about as I begin to agree that it might give off ā€œgayā€ vibe if used too much. Havenā€™t tested myself, but doesnā€™t seem like my cup of tea. As for P83, I agree. P83 at certain dosage does seem to cause that ā€œbrain lapse,ā€ where people just zone out. Happened to me couple time as well and it is well documented in Visionaryā€™s post about p83. ---
**Author:** ![Eldros](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eldros/32/279_2.png) [@Eldros](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Eldros)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2008, 3:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/putatives-testing-p74-p93-p83/10554/4 "2008-03-29T15:56:55Z")
> [@Eslite119](#): > > As for P83, I agree. P83 at certain dosage does seem to cause that ā€œbrain lapse,ā€ where people just zone out. Think using p83 + IO would be a paradox? I donā€™t have IO, but if anyone has p83 + something a-noly, test it out please, kthxbai. ---
**Author:** ![mockingbird](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mockingbird/32/1790_2.png) [@mockingbird](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2008, 9:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/putatives-testing-p74-p93-p83/10554/5 "2008-03-29T21:10:22Z")
> [@Eldros](#): > > Think using p83 + Instant Openness would be a paradox? I donā€™t have Instant Openness, but if anyone has p83 + something a-noly, test it out please, kthxbai. I will be glad to try it šŸ˜ƒ . What kind of ratio in sprays do you think? And I always put new stuff on my hair first to see better results. I have both instant openness and cttm 2, but I get really tired when I wear alpha Androstenol like at 3 sprays of instant openness (on my hair) šŸ†’ Eldros, is the eo smell like spaceland? I ordered them all unscented. ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2008, 2:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/putatives-testing-p74-p93-p83/10554/6 "2008-03-31T14:27:11Z")
> [@Eldros](#): > > Think using p83 + Instant Openness would be a paradox? I donā€™t have IO, but if anyone has p83 + something a-noly, test it out please, kthxbai. I used this mix on a 2nd dateā€¦ front of neck: 2 drops ls-A314 (left to dry as usual), [p83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) (1 spray of 12.5mcg),2 sprays of [spaceland](https://a314.com/), [instant shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) (1 spray, regular size) back of neck/hair: 2 sprays of 2x [instant honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) for the betanol effect šŸ˜ƒ covered with a nice note of 4 dabs of Pheros Results: neck attacked like a vampire but no biting involved. ---
**Author:** ![Eldros](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eldros/32/279_2.png) [@Eldros](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Eldros)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2008, 9:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/putatives-testing-p74-p93-p83/10554/7 "2008-03-31T21:15:15Z")
> [@Phoenix](#): > > I used this mix on a 2nd dateā€¦ > front of neck: 2 drops ls-A314 (left to dry as usual), [p83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) (1 spray of 12.5mcg),2 sprays of [spaceland](https://a314.com/), [instant shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) (1 spray, regular size) > back of neck/hair: 2 sprays of 2x [instant honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) for the betanol effect šŸ˜ƒ > > covered with a nice note of 4 dabs of Pheros > Results: neck attacked like a vampire but no biting involved. You have only like 100 more ingredients, but cool! ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2008, 9:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/putatives-testing-p74-p93-p83/10554/8 "2008-03-31T21:38:19Z")
> [@Eldros](#): > > You have only like 100 more ingredients, but cool! You know, it was the best kissing/making out of my life.. thatā€™s really something! ---
**Author:** ![mockingbird](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mockingbird/32/1790_2.png) [@mockingbird](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2008, 1:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/putatives-testing-p74-p93-p83/10554/9 "2008-04-01T01:33:25Z")
Spaceland will probably be an instant sleeping pill for me šŸ™‚, the zone out self effect of alpha androstenol doesnā€™t seem to decrease, but only the more talking part did. 2 sprays of spaceland will make me start talking and fell asleep before even I can finish my sentence šŸ™„ since 45 mcg of alpha nol (3 sprays of instant openness) already make my eyelid pretty heavy šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![idle](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/idle/32/344_2.png) [@idle](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/idle)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2008, 12:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/putatives-testing-p74-p93-p83/10554/10 "2008-04-13T00:27:31Z")
i would like to add something to your report. P74 on its own its a tough one. With normal a314 i think it creates more of a: Hey dude whats going onā€¦ not the usual: Mr. AAA whats going on .. I used a314 + 2x p74@25mcg in a meetings and the results ware not that good. BUT i used 3xp74@25mcg + 3x a314 + 2x IS2x + [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) in a club and everyone was telling me what a great guy i was.. ?? šŸ™‚ i was just siting and talking with them. 2xP74@25mcg with spaceland and TAF was pretty good too. just a great fun night ! daamn i have to start my journal sooner or later šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![Jasmin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jasmin/32/287_2.png) [@Jasmin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jasmin)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2008, 4:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/putatives-testing-p74-p93-p83/10554/11 "2008-04-28T16:10:44Z")
> [@mockingbird](#): > > I have been testing those three product for a month. The general results are good but some are a little inconsistent. > > All three putative are 7.5 mcg per spray, a good concentration for testing, since I only need two sprays to get a decent phero-distribution. > > P93 > > Info > The best product is p93 in my opinion. A lot of hits at anywhere from 7.5 mcg to 22.5 mcg šŸ˜ƒ I only have sprayed this to the top of my hair, except the first time where I _tried_ to get on the back of my head/neck, but accidentally turn the atomized and sprayed everything on my hand instead šŸ†’ > > Results > A lot of long smile with stares from girls of my age (around 20 years old). I can see those almost everyday that I wear this (but I dont wear this alone too often, so it might be due to other pheros like A314, cttm/instant openness). I also had girls keeping the doors open for me šŸ˜® with a big smile on their face at least 3 or 4 times when I was walking at the same speed beside them or just a little bit slower than them. > > If I had to pick one putative, p93 will definitly be my first choice. Iā€™m surprised no one else asked this, but what races of girls responded the best to [P93](https://a314.com/product/p93/)? Have you seen any aversion from any type of people? Older, men, certain races? ---
**Author:** ![bubblebob](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bubblebob/32/2120_2.png) [@bubblebob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bubblebob)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2008, 5:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/putatives-testing-p74-p93-p83/10554/12 "2008-04-28T17:44:40Z")
Hey mockingbird! You might want to try P74 with a little -Androstenol (CTTM or Instant Openness) - it REALLY makes the difference. In my experience P74 only works great if some -Androstenol is in the mix! Got to get me a bottle of [P93](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p93/) too with my next orderā€¦ Any dosage recommendations? 12.5 mcg/spray maybe?? ---
**Author:** ![mockingbird](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mockingbird/32/1790_2.png) [@mockingbird](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2008, 11:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/putatives-testing-p74-p93-p83/10554/13 "2008-04-28T23:23:50Z")
> [@Jasmin](#): > > Iā€™m surprised no one else asked this, but what races of girls responded the best to P93? Have you seen any aversion from any type of people? Older, men, certain races? Sorry, I mention this before but not here, [P93](https://a314.com/product/p93/) and mx203 didnā€™t repel anyone in my observations, unlike others report that says that non-caucasian women are scared away. P93 actually have a calming effect on asian, but there is no visible signs that they are upset or disgusted in any ways. Whats true is that p93 works great on causcasians in term of getting them to smile and be around you. I didnā€™t see any difference on hair or eye colors. Thank you bubblebob for the great advice, i am gonna try this tomorrow šŸ˜ƒ , repsā€¦ What kind of results did you get from p74 plus Androstenol? I think that 10mcg or 12.5mcg would be great for p93, I usually use around 20 mcg, but I tried at high dose (30-40 mcg) with no additional benefits or better hits.šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![youngRy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/4bbf92/32.png) [@youngRy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/youngRy)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2008, 11:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/putatives-testing-p74-p93-p83/10554/14 "2008-04-28T23:26:52Z")
do test the putatives by them selves or with other [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) like ammo, A314 and etcā€¦? ---
**Author:** ![bubblebob](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bubblebob/32/2120_2.png) [@bubblebob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bubblebob)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2008, 7:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/putatives-testing-p74-p93-p83/10554/15 "2008-04-29T07:24:36Z")
> [@mockingbird](#): > > Thank you bubblebob for the great advice, i am gonna try this tomorrow šŸ˜ƒ , repsā€¦ > What kind of results did you get from p74 plus Androstenol? > > I think that 10mcg or 12.5mcg would be great for p93, I usually use around 20 mcg, but I tried at high dose (30-40 mcg) with no additional benefits or better hits.šŸ™‚ Thanks for the [P93](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p93/)-dosage advice - repped back! šŸ™‚ I guess Iā€™ll go for the 12.5 option then and try 2 sprays of itā€¦ I have to get me some ISx2 anyway, so itā€™s time for some new stuff in my order!! Well, for me P74 works like a kind of amplifier for the -nols - it makes more chattiness - and at the same time seems to avoid the weakness that sometimes comes together with using lots of -Androstenol. Like many people said: Others see you as a cool guy, not just the funny guyā€¦ šŸ˜ƒ Edit: Hmm, thereā€™s no 12.5 mcg big bottle. I guess Iā€™ll go with 15 mcg thenā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2008, 8:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/putatives-testing-p74-p93-p83/10554/16 "2008-04-29T08:15:31Z")
I havenā€™t tried it as a combo yet, but Iā€™ve seen the effects of [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) combined with p74. I had on p74 and my friend had on Instant Honesty. He doesnā€™t know Instant Honesty well enough to really observe and censor his own behavior. I have a feeling that the Instant Honesty really changed things up and is very effective with p74. 12.5mu/spray for the p74 BTW. Iā€™ll try it and let you guys know in a week or so when I get back to the states. ---
**Author:** ![tye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d6d6ee/32.png) [@tye](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tye)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2008, 4:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/putatives-testing-p74-p93-p83/10554/17 "2008-04-30T04:24:27Z")
i ve noticed the same thing as bubblebob with p74 as an enhancher with the nols. more attraction from the ladys esp the 20 yr. olds. they seem to want to hang around moreā€¦lots of smiles and someā€™you smell goodā€™ with p74. i use 4 sprays p74 and -2 sprays p79 to hair with the social nols and it always works to attract ladys . also males seem to be more buddy buddy . of course most of the time i also have my daily 3-4 drops a314 i think girls like the smell of p74 with p79 i often find them huffing and sniffing my hair ---
**Author:** ![tvjim249](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ce73a5/32.png) [@tvjim249](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tvjim249)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2008, 4:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/putatives-testing-p74-p93-p83/10554/18 "2008-12-05T04:52:22Z")
sorry for my nievness here but what isā€¦[P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/)ā€¦93 and 83ā€¦I guess th those are just other mones in the testing stage vs actually for sale? thanks. > [@mockingbird](#): > > I have been testing those three product for a month. The general results are good but some are a little inconsistent. > > All three putative are 7.5 mcg per spray, a good concentration for testing, since I only need two sprays to get a decent phero-distribution. > > P93 > > Info > The best product is p93 in my opinion. A lot of hits at anywhere from 7.5 mcg to 22.5 mcg šŸ˜ƒ I only have sprayed this to the top of my hair, except the first time where I _tried_ to get on the back of my head/neck, but accidentally turn the atomized and sprayed everything on my hand instead šŸ†’ > > Results > A lot of long smile with stares from girls of my age (around 20 years old). I can see those almost everyday that I wear this (but I dont wear this alone too often, so it might be due to other pheros like a314, cttm/instant openness). I also had girls keeping the doors open for me šŸ˜® with a big smile on their face at least 3 or 4 times when I was walking at the same speed beside them or just a little bit slower than them. > > If I had to pick one putative, p93 will definitly be my first choice. > > P74 Now > I didnā€™t really see anything on its own. I have used 1 to 4 sprays of 7.5 mcg per spray of p74, not anything too interesting. > > _technical background stuff_ > But I then started to mix p74 with a314 mutant, trying to creating a homemade mx102. I havenā€™t had the chance to try the real mx102 or 03 04 05, so I canā€™t make any comparaison. > > Here is the mix > > 10 drops of a314 mutant > 2.2 ml of p74 (I got a precise pipette) > > This will give you about 20 sprays, and also kind of replicate the mx102ā€™s 10 mcg per spray rule. \*my mutant is a little bit stronger (supposed to be 25% stronger) > > Application point: neck or under my ears > > _Results_ > This is the mix that is a little inconsistent. P74 makes the a314 stronger on many occasions. Much more effects and respect, almost intimidation. I am not an unapproachble person, but this kind of make everyone quiet around me, they all waited for me to say something, at two sprays only! But at a few other occasions, it seem dimish a314ā€™s effect. Even at 3 or 4 sprays, there is less observable results than 1 drop of M.a314. > > This mix only give respect and trust like a314, not sexual hits that others say mx102 offers. I donā€™t really know what to do to tweak it, any ideas will be great šŸ™‚ > > I mix the bottle well, but the only explanation possible is that the oil still settles a little bit in the bottle, or maybe it is because that a314 mutant properties is different in some ways. > > P83 > > Application point: hair > 2 or 3 sprays at 7.5 mcg per sprays > > This works a little weird for me. At 15 or 22.5 mcg, people get confused or have dihl, but arenā€™t scared running. I need to specify that dihl or confusion almost never happens to me with any other product. > > Need more testing and will repost šŸ™‚