# Question requiring experience and balls to answer **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [November 15, 2009, 7:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/question-requiring-experience-and-balls-to-answer/34107 "2009-11-15T07:51:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![flight](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/flight/32/989_2.png) [@flight](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/flight)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2009, 7:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/question-requiring-experience-and-balls-to-answer/34107/1 "2009-11-15T07:51:37Z")
Basically, I would like to know first off if a none-like putative plus none both on the edge can create a none-like OD. Hypothetically, if p80 acted identical to none for a certain guy but these were his “on edge” doses none: 12.5 mcg p80: 7 mcg and he wore those dosages, would he OD? And if he wore half of each (6.75mcg none + 3.5 mcg p80) would it be basically the same or similar to if he ahd worn his “on edge” amount of 1? And the question that really takes experience and balls: **HAS ANYONE WORN 3 OR MORE SUCH PUTATIVES AT THEIR ON EDGE AMOUNTS?** ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2009, 9:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/question-requiring-experience-and-balls-to-answer/34107/2 "2009-11-15T09:52:06Z")
Sure if you were wearing two anone products or a putative that has the same patterns or reactions as anone you could possibly experience a OD effect. You could also spilt the dosage to reach your dosage for the mix. The reactions may not be identical with different molecules though because they may use different pathways and trigger slightly different emotions. Testing is really the only way to know for sure though. I know you were just using it as a example but P80 you need not worry about. Its estrogen based according to Jas. It is very alpha though in my opinion. > [@](#): > > **By Jasmin** > However, I don’t think I’d recommend Safari just yet. I’d rather see you diving into the estrogen-based putatives. Give [P78](https://pheromonelabs.com/) and **P80** a whirl. We’re adding a few more putatives by next week, too, and a bunch of them are estrogen-based. Don’t worry, I’ll keep you posted. ---
**Author:** ![flight](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/flight/32/989_2.png) [@flight](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/flight)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2009, 6:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/question-requiring-experience-and-balls-to-answer/34107/3 "2009-11-16T06:29:03Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Sure if you were wearing two anone products or a putative that has the same patterns or reactions as anone you could possibly experience a OD effect. You could also spilt the dosage to reach your dosage for the mix. The reactions may not be identical with different molecules though because they may use different pathways and trigger slightly different emotions. Testing is really the only way to know for sure though. > > I know you were just using it as a example but P80 you need not worry about. Its estrogen based according to Jas. It is very alpha though in my opinion. Thanks for the info. Ya I was thinking of it just off the top of my head as I had read a report of it coming off as alpha somewhere but can’t remember. So, just to clarify, none of the putatives are already experimones or other putatives disguised for the purpose of better blind testing? (I think I read that as someone’s guess somewhere as well). It does seem hard both to do blind testing and I would assume hard to get people to do that, especially when they know what kind of results they can get with other pheros and don’t want to leave those results. Of course don’t give me any hints if you are.😉 In fact, answer this if you want, but it shouldn’t matter much, as I’m going to want to figure out all the putatives for myself anyways, and I trust that **IF** (and thats a big if 🙄) that happens that androtics would never do that with a more dangerous molecule (though I highly doubt they would do it at all, especially when one reads reports of putatives), allowing someone to think they are 2 seperate molecules and major OD. ---
**Author:** ![noor84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5fc32e/32.png) [@noor84](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/noor84)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2009, 8:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/question-requiring-experience-and-balls-to-answer/34107/4 "2009-11-16T08:51:22Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Sure if you were wearing two anone products or a putative that has the same patterns or reactions as anone you could possibly experience a OD effect. You could also spilt the dosage to reach your dosage for the mix. The reactions may not be identical with different molecules though because they may use different pathways and trigger slightly different emotions. Testing is really the only way to know for sure though. > > I know you were just using it as a example but P80 you need not worry about. Its estrogen based according to Jas. It is very alpha though in my opinion. Tisha, Could you please help in this, I have read so many posts on this forum saying OD effects, But I never could understand what it means. ---
**Author:** ![flight](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/flight/32/989_2.png) [@flight](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/flight)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2009, 9:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/question-requiring-experience-and-balls-to-answer/34107/5 "2009-11-16T09:32:04Z")
> [@noor84](#): > > Tisha, Could you please help in this, I have read so many posts on this forum saying OD effects, But I never could understand what it means. Tisha can probably give a better answer, but I have been thinking about writing up a post on this for some time so I jumped. I also admit that it takes a lot of searching, and even when one directly asks, many of the responses I see can be misleading. All molecules have seperate typical OD doses and results. One of the most common ones, especially for a begginner (trust me been there tons of times) is the none (androstenone) OD. None is easy to OD on for several reasons: 1. It has small typical OD doses 2. It is considered a main sexual mone for men 3. The OD itself can be hard to notice if not explained right The typical OD of none has several stages based on dosage: 1. light ghosting: people tend to avoid you somewhat (more with approachablity than what happens after approach), maybe because they are intimidated, but moreso sexually than “he could kill me” because you’re at an “on edge” OD which means you’re “ghosting” because people think you’re too hot. This only occurs when it isn’t really an OD per se, there just isn’t enough disinhibition. Thus it can be saved by socials. 2. heavier ghosting: ghosting that cannot be saved by more disinhibition or needs a crazy high amount of it. Ghosting is more severe (people will begin to make a truly pro-active attempt to avoid you) You have just gone over “the edge” a bit. From here people start avoiding you more, until a higher OD, where they (guys especially) seek you out for a fight. This is because this is a molecule of aggression as well as sexuallity. Therefore, at the right doses, it’s like “I don’t wanna mess with this guy/ I want to bang this guy because he has muscles/energy,” but as one goes higher it goes to “I don’t want to mess with this guy because, even though he **doesn’t** have muscles, he seems insane enough to be hiding a knife.” Continue and you get to “I do want to mess with this guy, cuz he doesn’t have muscles, just craziness and seems like he thinks he’s all that” from the guys and “Rapist jacking off in public while staring at women and with bomb in free hand” from girls. Also, higher OD’s of all molecules can cause the brain to just go “can’t possibly be that much of xxxxx mone coming from him” and just ignore the mones altogether, which is actually worse than having not worn any of that molecule, as it was already in your signature. OD’s are rarely that bad, and people tend to override their opinions if given a second chance with a different mone signature. I am not trying to scare you off of experimenting, and I do have a tendency to exaggerate to get my point across, although the directionality of these statements is true. The main thing that is important to remember is that when someone says “Be careful, it can be too sexual of a mone in those doses,” they don’t usually mean that girls will f\*ck you so hard and so publicly, that you won’t be able to take it (which is misleading, as that is the goal of many new phero users). ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2009, 10:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/question-requiring-experience-and-balls-to-answer/34107/6 "2009-11-16T10:06:43Z")
> [@](#): > > Tisha, Could you please help in this, I have read so many posts on this forum saying OD effects, But I never could understand what it means. Its not as bad as it sounds really. flight gave you a good description. It just means **O** pposite of **D** esired effect from over use or over dosing of the product. So generally instead of getting attention which is why we buy and use [pheromones](https://a314.com/) you get no change in normal behavior or the ghost effect. With anone products you can get some aggressive competitiveness reactions from other men and crankiness in women when you use to much. If a woman’s personality leans towards shy or nervous anone will sometimes make them more nervous because of its aggressiveness. The younger men need to be more careful dosing anone. Its believed that because they have higher testosterone levels then older men (testosterone begins to lower after 30) they have more natural secretions that help produce anone. Most other molecules are very hard to OD on and the term just really applies to anone. For instance if you use to much anol you just get a zoned out effect. Sorta like your stoned. Hence Spaceland which is a high dose of anol. Ishine can give you a headache if you use to much due to the rapid fire of your neurotransmitters. This is more a side effect then a OD effect. With most putatives the only OD type effects seen have been no reaction to the molecule which makes testing them sorta of tricky because you have to really explore the dosage to discover if its dosage related or if its molecule related. This is why they ask new people to use the consumer products and get some experience before jumping into testing putatives. Tisha