# Quiestion about IOIs and IODs **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [July 26, 2007, 6:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/quiestion-about-iois-and-iods/4812 "2007-07-26T06:59:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![ogt192](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ogt192/32/657_2.png) [@ogt192](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ogt192)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2007, 6:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/quiestion-about-iois-and-iods/4812/1 "2007-07-26T06:59:40Z")
Can giving a girl you think is interested IODs attract IOIs. Also, w/ pheromones. I’ve already posted somewhat of a background for this girl that I am currently pursueing. The name of the thread is “Potential relationship, which might I try. new” ([Potential relationship, which might I try. newb](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/potential-relationship-which-might-i-try-newb/4697)) Sorry I don’t know how to make it a link. But, anyways, a short version, I think this girl is interested in me. And when we are in class, I turn my body away from her and try not to look at her the whole time. We’re “friends” and I always hint that I want more, but her bf doesn’t leave til the end of the week. So, sometimes when I do that, I will notice little glances, or angling her body more towards me. Or sometimes interaction. We have been flirting for a couple of months, but now that her boyfriend is leaving she seems to be kind of distancing herself from me a little. Or trying to show less interest. Last monday, while I was wearing pherlure,(didn’t have what I have now yet, TUTH, instant female magic, instant shine, A314.) I went into her class, made a little joke, and directly afterward she invited me out to dinner. granted her bf was out of town, but she does stuff like that often. But not as much lately. So, are there IODs, or IOIs that I can try, maybe while wearing what I have. Tomorrow I plan to wear only [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/), about 4-5 sprays with a cover scent. Domain by Mary Kay, if anyone knows it. It’s really new. I actually got it before it came out. Hopefully by this weekend I will get my togos of ammo, instant honesty, and instant openness. The only reason I ordered those without getting much effects from the other ones is: 1. I’m a little impatient 2. I feel like they are better suited for my wants/situation. 3. gullible/or faithful in all the positive comments and feedback that I’ve read. Thanks to all for being so hospitable on this forum, especially capone. He has answered every one of my questions. ---
**Author:** ![noblelady](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/noblelady/32/2391_2.png) [@noblelady](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/noblelady)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2007, 2:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/quiestion-about-iois-and-iods/4812/2 "2007-07-26T14:58:50Z")
Just curious, if you do’t mind elaborating…what makes this particular lady special to you? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![ProtoJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7feea3/32.png) [@ProtoJay](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ProtoJay)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2007, 8:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/quiestion-about-iois-and-iods/4812/3 "2007-07-26T20:01:03Z")
If your using [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/), my recommendation is to NOT target specific girls, but to flirt with as many as possible and become expert at detecting IOI’s and understanding how pheromones influence behaviour in both genders. Once you have this skill, then you can simply make ur choice and not waste timme with females who will never reciprocate your interest. You can also move alot faster even though in the beginning its difficult and slow… When I started using them, I thought, I couldl walk up to any girl and she would literally beg to have my children, but its not really like that. Pheromones main strength is that they exert subtle influence over a large number of people, rather than a strong influence on a relative few. There may be some who can be influeunced strongly, but they are relatively rare…They certainly are useful in social and sexual situations, but only if you contribute by acting confident and decisive and not depending on pheromones to do all the work. Approach, Flirt and Observe, thats my advice… I also find that there are some people which are only affected by pheromones subconscously and they hide it as much as they can, so unless you initiate and talk to them, you may never know… Other people are extrovert and will act more interested in you and knowingly treat you differently from the start of the interaction. It really is a science and to use these tools well, you need to experiment and learn them well… If your just trying to use pheromones on a specific girl you like, I think your missing the point. You should pick up mystery method or the game, and read that instead, and simply use pheros to suppliment your game… Nothing will beat a confident approach and feeling good being yourself, when it comes to women… Thats, in my opinion what seperates a player from the so called average frustrated chump… I beleive jasmin or someone at androtics said before, the people who have the best success are usually quite socially adept anyway… Its the ones lacking in social skills who have the problems with pheros… ---
**Author:** ![noblelady](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/noblelady/32/2391_2.png) [@noblelady](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/noblelady)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2007, 9:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/quiestion-about-iois-and-iods/4812/4 "2007-07-26T21:05:29Z")
> [@ProtoJay](#): > > … become expert at detecting IOI’s and understanding how pheromones influence behaviour in both genders. Once you have this skill, then you can simply make ur choice and not waste timme with females who will never reciprocate your interest. You can also move alot faster even though in the beginning its difficult and slow… GREAT post!🆒 ---
**Author:** ![alpha314](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/alpha314/32/2027_2.png) [@alpha314](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/alpha314)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2007, 10:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/quiestion-about-iois-and-iods/4812/5 "2007-07-26T22:08:56Z")
I am thinking that the “girl” probably wants to give you the impression at this time that she is less interested in you because. 1 That she wants you to think that she is not falling into your arms because of her separation from the boyfriend. And by using the phrase “my man” in your presence this will kind of indicate to you and possably also her that she is a loyal one man girl, thus giving you the impression that when she has “lost” or become separated from her man, and you will become the new man to a loyal one man girl who is not easy or needy. Ie, wanting to appear to you as a sincere loyal type girl. So if she had any sense then she would not come on to you, or flirt at this stage of the game so as not to appear fickle and not a loyal candidate for your affections. ( easy ) This backing off will also be a way of checking your reactions and causing you to react in a predictable manner and come on even stronger. So therefore do not make any moves that may make you appear too needy. She may have an idea that you are prepared to fill her mans shoes, and also that you may be prepared to jump just as high as she says. And she will lose respect and Interest in you if you appear easy pickings ( a sure thing ) and not a challenge for her. By all means stay in the groove but be prepared to skip off the track somewhat and get her to do some work in the chasing. 🙂 KEEP THEM GUESSING 😃 ---
**Author:** ![ogt192](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ogt192/32/657_2.png) [@ogt192](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ogt192)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2007, 10:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/quiestion-about-iois-and-iods/4812/6 "2007-07-26T22:50:19Z")
Hey Protojay. Thanks for the post. I really get what you’re saying, and that is what I plan on doing in the future. I’m just in the middle of working with this girl, so I was looking for suggestions. The only social skill I lack, I think, is the ability to be confident when I first meet a person. I get really red,(i’m a redhead) and then get emberrassed from that. But that aspect varies from day to day. Sometimes it’s not as hard. Once i get to know someone, they really like me. I open up a lot, I’m really funny; sometimes I still get red, but I don’t worry about it as much at that point. That might be one of my problems, because I really can not think of one person that doesn’t like me. And maybe subconciously that’s why I worry. I appreciate your comments, but like I said, in reply to noblelady, if it ever shows up, is that right now I don’t have the time to do the MM, etc. I’m busy studying and doing other things. Thank you very much for your reply, And, also, it seems like you might know something about IOIs. Did you have any comments regarding my questions about that. How to reply to IOIs, maybe varying with what pheros you’re wearing. Like, if you’re wearing A314 you have to be aggressive, right? Thanks ---
**Author:** ![ogt192](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ogt192/32/657_2.png) [@ogt192](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ogt192)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2007, 11:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/quiestion-about-iois-and-iods/4812/7 "2007-07-26T23:18:39Z")
Sorry if this posts twice, but I’m new here, and still a little confused. Sometimes they post and sometimes they don’t. WOW alpha314, it feels like you’re right on the spot. I may be only looking on the optimistic side, but what you’re saying makes a lot of sense, because: Quote: Originally Posted by alpha314 View Post And by using the phrase “my man” in your presence this will kind of indicate to you and possably also her that she is a loyal one man girl, thus giving you the impression that when she has “lost” or become separated from her man, and you will become the new man to a loyal one man girl who is not easy or needy. She has actually told me in the past that if her boyfriend even thought about kissing another girl, she would just want him to call her before hand to break up. etc. Quote: Originally Posted by alpha314 View Post So if she had any sense then she would not come on to you, or flirt at this stage of the game so as not to appear fickle and not a loyal candidate for your affections. ( easy ) Like I may have said, this has been happening as her bf is getting ready to leave. My friend said to give it like 2 weeks, not sure. I still flirt, but I don’t think that I have come on much stronger, if any, a tiny bit. In not making moves, do you mean stop flirting? stop initiating contact? don’t hang out with her as friends? or do? If she invites me out after her bf leaves, what should I do? You’re definitely right about the needy part. I don’t want to appear that way, but I also don’t want to make her too distant. My biggest problem is getting her to do the chasing. I wore ammo for the first time today, and it was GREAT. she said I sprayed too much cologne, but that was right after I sprayed it. It was 2 togo sprays. I noticed her looking me over a little, but maybe coincidence, or lack of attention I’ve been giving her. A while back, when I didn’t give her attention, she would “ask” for it. But now when I don’t, she seems more distant. I think that has to do with the change coming up. She is probably testing me more seriously now, right? Well, sorry for this long reply, but anything else you could add would be incredible. This is THE most insightful thing anyone has told me about this situation. Not just on this site. Thanks again. ---
**Author:** ![ogt192](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ogt192/32/657_2.png) [@ogt192](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ogt192)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2007, 3:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/quiestion-about-iois-and-iods/4812/8 "2007-07-27T03:57:44Z")
My other post is about her too, so there’s a little more info there. It’s not that I love her or anything, but she’s a lot of fun to hang out with, and really cute. In this town, and military base, there really aren’t that many opportunities to find someone to have a simple relationship with. And we both leave at the same time so we both know it wouldn’t be serious. I’m really busy with school, but since we study the same language, we could study together. It’s really hard to get the time to go out there and practice the mystery method, etc. I just want a simple relationship, and basically, she just fits in with everything, if you know what I mean. When I get to hawaii I plan to do A LOT more experimenting than I will do here. But for now, just want something simple. ---
**Author:** ![ogt192](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ogt192/32/657_2.png) [@ogt192](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ogt192)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2007, 3:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/quiestion-about-iois-and-iods/4812/9 "2007-07-27T03:58:09Z")
WOW alpha314, it feels like you’re right on the spot. I may be only looking on the optimistic side, but what you’re saying makes a lot of sense, because: Quote: Originally Posted by alpha314 View Post And by using the phrase “my man” in your presence this will kind of indicate to you and possably also her that she is a loyal one man girl, thus giving you the impression that when she has “lost” or become separated from her man, and you will become the new man to a loyal one man girl who is not easy or needy. She has actually told me in the past that if her boyfriend even thought about kissing another girl, she would just want him to call her before hand to break up. etc. Quote: Originally Posted by alpha314 View Post So if she had any sense then she would not come on to you, or flirt at this stage of the game so as not to appear fickle and not a loyal candidate for your affections. ( easy ) Like I may have said, this has been happening as her bf is getting ready to leave. My friend said to give it like 2 weeks, not sure. I still flirt, but I don’t think that I have come on much stronger, if any, a tiny bit. In not making moves, do you mean stop flirting? stop initiating contact? don’t hang out with her as friends? or do? If she invites me out after her bf leaves, what should I do? You’re definitely right about the needy part. I don’t want to appear that way, but I also don’t want to make her too distant. My biggest problem is getting her to do the chasing. I wore ammo for the first time today, and it was GREAT. she said I sprayed too much cologne, but that was right after I sprayed it. It was 2 togo sprays. I noticed her looking me over a little, but maybe coincidence, or lack of attention I’ve been giving her. A while back, when I didn’t give her attention, she would “ask” for it. But now when I don’t, she seems more distant. I think that has to do with the change coming up. She is probably testing me more seriously now, right? Well, sorry for this long reply, but anything else you could add would be incredible. This is THE most insightful thing anyone has told me about this situation. Not just on this site. Thanks again. ---
**Author:** ![ogt192](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ogt192/32/657_2.png) [@ogt192](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ogt192)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2007, 3:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/quiestion-about-iois-and-iods/4812/10 "2007-07-27T03:59:11Z")
my posts aren’t posting:/? ---
**Author:** ![ogt192](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ogt192/32/657_2.png) [@ogt192](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ogt192)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2007, 12:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/quiestion-about-iois-and-iods/4812/11 "2007-07-28T00:57:19Z")
WOW alpha314, it feels like you’re right on the spot. I may be only looking on the optimistic side, but what you’re saying makes a lot of sense, because: Quote: Originally Posted by alpha314 View Post And by using the phrase “my man” in your presence this will kind of indicate to you and possably also her that she is a loyal one man girl, thus giving you the impression that when she has “lost” or become separated from her man, and you will become the new man to a loyal one man girl who is not easy or needy. She has actually told me in the past that if her boyfriend even thought about kissing another girl, she would just want him to call her before hand to break up. etc. Quote: Originally Posted by alpha314 View Post So if she had any sense then she would not come on to you, or flirt at this stage of the game so as not to appear fickle and not a loyal candidate for your affections. ( easy ) Like I may have said, this has been happening as her bf is getting ready to leave. My friend said to give it like 2 weeks, not sure. I still flirt, but I don’t think that I have come on much stronger, if any, a tiny bit. In not making moves, do you mean stop flirting? stop initiating contact? don’t hang out with her as friends? or do? If she invites me out after her bf leaves, what should I do? You’re definitely right about the needy part. I don’t want to appear that way, but I also don’t want to make her too distant. My biggest problem is getting her to do the chasing. I wore ammo for the first time today, and it was GREAT. she said I sprayed too much cologne, but that was right after I sprayed it. It was 2 togo sprays. I noticed her looking me over a little, but maybe coincidence, or lack of attention I’ve been giving her. A while back, when I didn’t give her attention, she would “ask” for it. But now when I don’t, she seems more distant. I think that has to do with the change coming up. She is probably testing me more seriously now, right? Well, sorry for this long reply, but anything else you could add would be incredible. This is THE most insightful thing anyone has told me about this situation. Not just on this site. Thanks again. ---
**Author:** ![ogt192](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ogt192/32/657_2.png) [@ogt192](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ogt192)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2007, 2:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/quiestion-about-iois-and-iods/4812/12 "2007-07-30T02:46:05Z")
hopefully this works. My posts won’t post on this thread for some reason. But I’m copying and pasting.😕 WOW alpha314, it feels like you’re right on the spot. I may be only looking on the optimistic side, but what you’re saying makes a lot of sense, because: Quote: Originally Posted by alpha314 View Post And by using the phrase “my man” in your presence this will kind of indicate to you and possably also her that she is a loyal one man girl, thus giving you the impression that when she has “lost” or become separated from her man, and you will become the new man to a loyal one man girl who is not easy or needy. She has actually told me in the past that if her boyfriend even thought about kissing another girl, she would just want him to call her before hand to break up. etc. Quote: Originally Posted by alpha314 View Post So if she had any sense then she would not come on to you, or flirt at this stage of the game so as not to appear fickle and not a loyal candidate for your affections. ( easy ) Like I may have said, this has been happening as her bf is getting ready to leave. My friend said to give it like 2 weeks, not sure. I still flirt, but I don’t think that I have come on much stronger, if any, a tiny bit. In not making moves, do you mean stop flirting? stop initiating contact? don’t hang out with her as friends? or do? If she invites me out after her bf leaves, what should I do? You’re definitely right about the needy part. I don’t want to appear that way, but I also don’t want to make her too distant. My biggest problem is getting her to do the chasing. I wore ammo for the first time today, and it was GREAT. she said I sprayed too much cologne, but that was right after I sprayed it. It was 2 togo sprays. I noticed her looking me over a little, but maybe coincidence, or lack of attention I’ve been giving her. A while back, when I didn’t give her attention, she would “ask” for it. But now when I don’t, she seems more distant. I think that has to do with the change coming up. She is probably testing me more seriously now, right? Well, sorry for this long reply, but anything else you could add would be incredible. This is THE most insightful thing anyone has told me about this situation. Not just on this site. Thanks again. ---
**Author:** ![ogt192](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ogt192/32/657_2.png) [@ogt192](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ogt192)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2007, 2:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/quiestion-about-iois-and-iods/4812/13 "2007-07-30T02:48:29Z")
My other post is about her too, so there’s a little more info there. It’s not that I love her or anything, but she’s a lot of fun to hang out with, and really cute. In this town, and military base, there really aren’t that many opportunities to find someone to have a simple relationship with. And we both leave at the same time so we both know it wouldn’t be serious. I’m really busy with school, but since we study the same language, we could study together. It’s really hard to get the time to go out there and practice the mystery method, etc. I just want a simple relationship, and basically, she just fits in with everything, if you know what I mean. When I get to hawaii I plan to do A LOT more experimenting than I will do here. But for now, just want something simple. ---
**Author:** ![ogt192](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ogt192/32/657_2.png) [@ogt192](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ogt192)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2007, 4:14am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/quiestion-about-iois-and-iods/4812/14 "2007-07-30T04:14:05Z")
I’ve tried to post responses, but they are not posting. It has been a couple of days. They are kind of long. That last one, as you can see, posted. Let’s see if this one does. ---
**Author:** ![ogt192](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ogt192/32/657_2.png) [@ogt192](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ogt192)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2007, 4:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/quiestion-about-iois-and-iods/4812/15 "2007-07-30T04:18:07Z")
wow, this is really getting annoying, well, I really like your post A314, but for some reason, it won’t let me go into more reason as to why. I already have it written, and saved in notepad, but won’t let me post. Same to you protojay, and noblelady, but the same thing. I think I’m going crazy ---
**Author:** ![ogt192](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ogt192/32/657_2.png) [@ogt192](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ogt192)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2007, 4:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/quiestion-about-iois-and-iods/4812/16 "2007-07-30T04:37:38Z")
ok, simple question. reguarding this girl. Tomorrow, to class, i want to wear either IFM, or IS. I want to wear a lot, but I don’t want to OD. Which one would be best suited for this situation. I only want to do 1 right now because I am still in the beginning phase, and want to test each one out separately. Thanks ---
**Author:** ![noblelady](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/noblelady/32/2391_2.png) [@noblelady](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/noblelady)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2007, 4:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/quiestion-about-iois-and-iods/4812/17 "2007-07-30T04:53:57Z")
I have zip experience with Istant Female magic, but **Shine** does great things for the wearer —and the ones fortunate enough to feel its glow 🙂 😛 😉 ---
**Author:** ![ogt192](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ogt192/32/657_2.png) [@ogt192](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ogt192)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2007, 5:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/quiestion-about-iois-and-iods/4812/18 "2007-07-30T05:01:41Z")
thanks noblelady. any ideas on what’s going on w/ my posts? ---
**Author:** ![ogt192](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ogt192/32/657_2.png) [@ogt192](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ogt192)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2007, 5:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/quiestion-about-iois-and-iods/4812/19 "2007-07-30T05:36:35Z")
also, I want to try A LOT. So I’ll notice an effect. Is that a bad idea if this is one of my targets? And how much IS is too much, I might spray a couple sprays on my shirt tonight to let the smell die down a little by morning, then spray some in the morning. Any ideas? Thanks ---
**Author:** ![alpha314](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/alpha314/32/2027_2.png) [@alpha314](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/alpha314)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2007, 8:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/quiestion-about-iois-and-iods/4812/20 "2007-07-30T08:56:32Z")
> [@ogt192](#): > > also, I want to try A LOT. So I’ll notice an effect. Is that a bad idea if this is one of my targets? > > And how much IS is too much, I might spray a couple sprays on my shirt tonight to let the smell die down a little by morning, then spray some in the morning. Any ideas? > > Thanks I have noticed when i wear 2 sprays of IFM within close enough proximity for women to get some good whiffs then they become obviously very contented. Add few sprays of CTTM 2 and the door is open for magic. One spray IS is enough to light me up and get me purrrrring. For an attention boost good idea what you have come up with to give the shirt a couple of blasts beforehand with another 1 on the date should be plenty enough. Usually 3 max gives me all the shine i need. 🙂 [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/quiestion-about-iois-and-iods/4812.md?page=2)