# rankings of the all-rounder products - eg. Ammo,chikara,p.proof,alterego,impi,aquagen **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [May 10, 2008, 4:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/rankings-of-the-all-rounder-products-eg-ammo-chikara-p-proof-alterego-impi-aquagen/12413 "2008-05-10T04:25:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![mahalo\_silver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8dc957/32.png) [@mahalo\_silver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mahalo_silver)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2008, 4:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/rankings-of-the-all-rounder-products-eg-ammo-chikara-p-proof-alterego-impi-aquagen/12413/1 "2008-05-10T04:25:34Z")
hey, i love Ammo and i guess this is probably at the no. 1 spot, but i’m always striving to find something even better than the best, if u know what i mean. I love the convenience of all-round products “spray at home, set and forget” and u know the none content anyway, will be on u most of the day. with ammo for eg., i just need to carry a to go IH, as the perfect additive twice a day, but can leave the Ammo at home, having already sprayed in the morning. so, my rankings would be: [of products based on the "holy trinity - rone, none, nol] 1. AMMO 2. IMPI 3. [PHEROMONE](https://a314.com/) PROOF 4. ALTER EGO 5. AQUAGEN 6. CHIKARA 7. REALM ---
**Author:** ![mockingbird](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mockingbird/32/1790_2.png) [@mockingbird](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2008, 5:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/rankings-of-the-all-rounder-products-eg-ammo-chikara-p-proof-alterego-impi-aquagen/12413/2 "2008-05-10T05:51:20Z")
Even though I only tried ammo from the whole list, it seems to be helpful for anyone whos trying to make up his mind of choosing one overall good product 🙂 reps ---
**Author:** ![bubblebob](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bubblebob/32/2120_2.png) [@bubblebob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bubblebob)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2008, 9:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/rankings-of-the-all-rounder-products-eg-ammo-chikara-p-proof-alterego-impi-aquagen/12413/3 "2008-05-10T09:31:54Z")
I haven’t tried all of the products, but of the ones I have used: 1. [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) (greatest overall product, more social than sexual) 2. Alter Ego (got me great hits, but the scent is absolutely not my cup of tea) 3. Chikara (some nice hits, but nothing special) 4. Aquagen (got absolutely nothing out of it) ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2008, 10:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/rankings-of-the-all-rounder-products-eg-ammo-chikara-p-proof-alterego-impi-aquagen/12413/4 "2008-05-10T10:29:04Z")
Agree - aquagen is a product which didn’t work for me much on its own.. I did use the beta 1st gen and while I did see some strange behaviour, that may have been a coincidence. Anyway I didn’t get useful results with it on its own. I always had to add something else. Ammo is fantastic. Best stuff except for the strong smell which I would like to tone down or change. The other products I never tried. ---
**Author:** ![K24](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/k24/32/1513_2.png) [@K24](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/K24)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2008, 11:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/rankings-of-the-all-rounder-products-eg-ammo-chikara-p-proof-alterego-impi-aquagen/12413/5 "2008-05-10T11:03:11Z")
> [@Phoenix](#): > > Ammo is fantastic. Best stuff except for the strong smell which I would like to tone down or change. what kind of results have you been getting with Ammo alone?? also when you say strong smell did you mean the cologne or the pheromone(-none) smell(heavy Ammo)?? ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2008, 11:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/rankings-of-the-all-rounder-products-eg-ammo-chikara-p-proof-alterego-impi-aquagen/12413/6 "2008-05-10T11:45:15Z")
> [@K24](#): > > what kind of results have you been getting with Ammo alone?? also when you say strong smell did you mean the cologne or the pheromone(-none) smell(heavy Ammo)?? Strong for the cologne smell.. Results with ammo are very evident hits - just do a search for my posts about that. I’ve been lately using ammo v1.0 with my girlfriend and it has been fantastic. ---
**Author:** ![bubblebob](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bubblebob/32/2120_2.png) [@bubblebob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bubblebob)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2008, 11:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/rankings-of-the-all-rounder-products-eg-ammo-chikara-p-proof-alterego-impi-aquagen/12413/7 "2008-05-10T11:53:03Z")
Just as Phoenix I find the cologne smell too strong, too! Last week I’ve applied 2 sprays from the big bottle and found the smell far too intensive (and I’m sure a lot of the people sitting next to me in the subway on my way to work thought the same as they made sure to switch seats as soon as another seat away from me became available… - that happened several times). Next time I’m purchasing it I will take heavy ammo unscented and dilute it with my own cologne 1:1. To be honest I found every single cologne strength spray by Androtics too heavy! I wish they’d tone that down a bit… ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2008, 11:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/rankings-of-the-all-rounder-products-eg-ammo-chikara-p-proof-alterego-impi-aquagen/12413/8 "2008-05-10T11:57:17Z")
I usually end up spraying a long time before, like an hour before I go out.. 😃😃 ---
**Author:** ![K24](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/k24/32/1513_2.png) [@K24](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/K24)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2008, 1:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/rankings-of-the-all-rounder-products-eg-ammo-chikara-p-proof-alterego-impi-aquagen/12413/9 "2008-05-10T13:06:03Z")
hmmm…that could really be a problem for me, as I don’t want everyone in school to think I’m “THE” cologne guy (and i normally don’t even use cologne), now i’m seriously considering whether i should just ditch Ammo in my next order. even tho a lot of people say it smells great but if it’s strong and overbearing then maybe i should just use SOE scented as my base cologne?? I would like something that smells great yet subtle. ---
**Author:** ![Eldros](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eldros/32/279_2.png) [@Eldros](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Eldros)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2008, 1:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/rankings-of-the-all-rounder-products-eg-ammo-chikara-p-proof-alterego-impi-aquagen/12413/10 "2008-05-10T13:17:55Z")
Isn’t pheroproof supposed to be better than Ammo/anything else? ---
**Author:** ![bubblebob](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bubblebob/32/2120_2.png) [@bubblebob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bubblebob)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2008, 1:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/rankings-of-the-all-rounder-products-eg-ammo-chikara-p-proof-alterego-impi-aquagen/12413/11 "2008-05-10T13:24:15Z")
I wouldn’t say better, but stronger. As far as I know (never used it) it contains way more androstenone than ammo… ---
**Author:** ![Eldros](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eldros/32/279_2.png) [@Eldros](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Eldros)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2008, 1:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/rankings-of-the-all-rounder-products-eg-ammo-chikara-p-proof-alterego-impi-aquagen/12413/12 "2008-05-10T13:31:59Z")
> [@bubblebob](#): > > I wouldn’t say better, but stronger. As far as I know (never used it) it contains way more androstenone than ammo… It does, and it also has different buffers and some other components that work synergieticaly with everything else. ---
**Author:** ![mahalo\_silver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8dc957/32.png) [@mahalo\_silver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mahalo_silver)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2008, 2:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/rankings-of-the-all-rounder-products-eg-ammo-chikara-p-proof-alterego-impi-aquagen/12413/13 "2008-05-11T14:27:06Z")
how do people compare AE with Ammo as far as sexual hits? as for PP, well there must be some hidden stash of this stuff somewhere in the world 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2008, 9:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/rankings-of-the-all-rounder-products-eg-ammo-chikara-p-proof-alterego-impi-aquagen/12413/14 "2008-05-11T21:14:39Z")
> [@](#): > > 1. AMMO > 2. IMPI > 3. PHEROMONE PROOF > 4. ALTER EGO > 5. AQUAGEN > 6. CHIKARA > 7. REALM Oddly, I’ve tried all of the above and still own most of them. My ranking would depend on the intended use as one size doe not fit all. Incidentally PheroProof is not very good as a general purpose mone and, like AE, is too -none heavy for work, family and many social gatherings. It’s at its best on a hot date. Hot dates: 1. PheroProof 2. AE Work & mellow social activities: 1. Ammo 2. Aquagen 3. IMPI Did Nothing at all for me: 1. Chikara 2. Realm Realm and Chikara once enjoyed my regular use but I had to add NPA for any results. I later figured out NPA worked just as well by itself. ---
**Author:** ![data4](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/data4/32/272_2.png) [@data4](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/data4)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2008, 9:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/rankings-of-the-all-rounder-products-eg-ammo-chikara-p-proof-alterego-impi-aquagen/12413/15 "2008-05-11T21:28:27Z")
I like the smell of Ammo, but it is definitely too strong. I think the best way to go is to mix unscented Ammo with a good quality fragrance. I’ve been singing the praises of Issey Miyake Intense lately, and found that it covers -none nicely. I’ve mixed it 5 parts to 1 part NPA, which is a -none additive sold at the other place. By itself, NPA smells like ass sweat and piss, but with Intense, I still don’t smell the -none until many hours later. Like 8 or more. -D4 > [@K24](#): > > hmmm…that could really be a problem for me, as I don’t want everyone in school to think I’m “THE” cologne guy (and i normally don’t even use cologne), now i’m seriously considering whether i should just ditch Ammo in my next order. > even tho a lot of people say it smells great but if it’s strong and overbearing then maybe i should just use Scent of Eros scented as my base cologne?? I would like something that smells great yet subtle. ---
**Author:** ![Eldros](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eldros/32/279_2.png) [@Eldros](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Eldros)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2008, 9:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/rankings-of-the-all-rounder-products-eg-ammo-chikara-p-proof-alterego-impi-aquagen/12413/16 "2008-05-11T21:42:07Z")
> [@data4](#): > > I like the smell of Ammo, but it is definitely too strong. I think the best way to go is to mix unscented Ammo with a good quality fragrance. I’ve been singing the praises of Issey Miyake Intense lately, and found that it covers -none nicely. I’ve mixed it 5 parts to 1 part NPA, which is a -none additive sold at the other place. By itself, NPA smells like ass sweat and piss, but with Intense, I still don’t smell the -none until many hours later. Like 8 or more. > > -D4 I was told by I think steveo that you could customize your ammo’s scent by ordering it unscented, and in the notes, tell them that you want the scent at only like 1/4 strength. I don’t know why they don’t just make it unscented, and when people ask for it to be scented, then they add the scent to the strength requested by the customer. Shouldn’t be that hard to do. ---
**Author:** ![mahalo\_silver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8dc957/32.png) [@mahalo\_silver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mahalo_silver)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2008, 2:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/rankings-of-the-all-rounder-products-eg-ammo-chikara-p-proof-alterego-impi-aquagen/12413/17 "2008-05-27T14:09:02Z")
well been trying Alter Ego a bit and i reckon its pretty damn good, parallels to Ammo, especially when combined with IH and IS…its kinda same as ammo but slower diffusion and longer lasting. ---
**Author:** ![Daedelus76](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Daedelus76](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Daedelus76)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2008, 5:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/rankings-of-the-all-rounder-products-eg-ammo-chikara-p-proof-alterego-impi-aquagen/12413/18 "2008-05-27T17:59:23Z")
Best non-Androtics products? Probably WAGG, for me. Very underrated. Also Perception is not bad, and in cool to warm weather the release is very controlled and it isn’t overly sexual and doesn’t scare people away- no wonder I didn’t notice any self-effects initially when I started using tihs product years ago, it is quite subtle. Next order I may try Ammo, not sure I’ll like the fragrance… or what strength to get if WAGG worked OK for me socially. Alter Ego is fine but most of the time it gives me too much androstenone edge. Not appropriate most of the time for me. It gets me stares from women, nothing more, and seems to tend to spook younger women. NPA… I have a bottle, used it once- no real “results”. It’s an additive, not a standalone product. [Pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) are so personal that I don’t see how you can have a “best of” list. That’s why Androtics is great, they don’t pretend there is a “best” pheromone for every situation, or every person- and they try and label their products in accordance with their effects. Frags? Ahh… whatever is inexpensive and smells relatively inoffensive (i think pheromones trump expensive fragrances any day). Lately it’s been Brut or English Leather, in the winter I like Tabac, sometimes I like Old Spice Pure Sport too. I need to find something that is along the same lines but smells better in warm/hot weather, though. Maybe I’ll go back to Brut Revolution or OS Signature- aquatic fragrances. ---
**Author:** ![thenoser](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thenoser/32/2199_2.png) [@thenoser](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thenoser)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2008, 8:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/rankings-of-the-all-rounder-products-eg-ammo-chikara-p-proof-alterego-impi-aquagen/12413/19 "2008-05-27T20:11:01Z")
for me it would be: 1. a314 w/ taa oil 2. instant honesty 3. pheroproof 4. ammo 5. aquagen 6. alpha 7 or npa (tie) ---
**Author:** ![marsgate](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/marsgate/32/168_2.png) [@marsgate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/marsgate)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2008, 2:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/rankings-of-the-all-rounder-products-eg-ammo-chikara-p-proof-alterego-impi-aquagen/12413/20 "2008-05-28T02:30:41Z")
Looking back over some ancient posts, it sounds like PheroProof packs more of a suggestive punch than Ammo, without being as blatant as TUTH…would appreciate more comparisons from people who have tried PheroProof. Also, has anyone ordered it from the site (Conclusive Proof Pheromones Work Or Your Money Back!) lately? [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/rankings-of-the-all-rounder-products-eg-ammo-chikara-p-proof-alterego-impi-aquagen/12413.md?page=2)