# Rant on women! Anyone else agree? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [July 29, 2009, 2:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/rant-on-women-anyone-else-agree/31094 "2009-07-29T14:46:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2009, 2:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/rant-on-women-anyone-else-agree/31094/1 "2009-07-29T14:46:53Z")
This doesn’t happen often, but enough that it irritates the hell out of me and I think it’s very inconsiderate. Anyone else agree, or is it just me? What I’m talking about is women who give out their phone numbers, and will actually give you their real number, then blow you off when you call by not answering the phone or returning a call. I probably have this happen with about one out of five girls that give me their number. I’ll call a couple of days later and the phone will ring and go to voice mail. I leave a message saying I’ll call back later or they can call me and state my phone number, then I’ll call once more the next day and get voice mail again, I’ll leave one more message and then I will not call again. Yesterday I actually text messaged after the second call, and that was ignored too. I’m pretty sure that I’m not the only one that this happens too and I’m curious, guys would you rather have a girl answer the phone and tell you that she’s not interested or that she was drunk when she gave you her phone number, or whatever other reason she has for not wanting to talk to you. Or, would you rather have them just completely ignore you? For any ladies that are reading this, I realize that some of you may defend this or feel that it’s ok, by saying that when the girl gave out her number she might have been drunk, in a different frame of mind, thought she might be interested then changed her mind, or only gave out her number because she didn’t want to say no, and that it’s easier to avoid talking to us than own up to having made a mistake in giving out her number. But come on ladies, for us to get your attention we have to be strong, confident and prove our worthiness, and if we’ve jumped through those hoops and actually get to the point that you gave us your phone number, then you should at least have the courage to answer our call and tell us you’re not interested or that you made a mistake in giving out your phone number. Even a simple text message would suffice, saying something like; you’re sorry but made a mistake in giving out your phone number and are not interested. If you can’t be courageous enough to face up to having made a mistake, then just give us a fake phone number to begin with, so we can avoid the game altogether. So folks what do you think? rude and inconsiderate, or acceptable and easier than having to be told “She’s Just Not That Into You” ---
**Author:** ![Imjustpete](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/4bbf92/32.png) [@Imjustpete](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Imjustpete)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2009, 2:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/rant-on-women-anyone-else-agree/31094/2 "2009-07-29T14:48:49Z")
I agree. ---
**Author:** ![Snoopyace](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snoopyace/32/1727_2.png) [@Snoopyace](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Snoopyace)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2009, 2:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/rant-on-women-anyone-else-agree/31094/3 "2009-07-29T14:52:34Z")
I agree. I have however also experienced women who won’t leave me alone about giving out **my** number. So I memorized the phone number to a local mental hospital and would give that number out to women who I wasn’t interested in but wouldn’t take no for an answer. Only backfired on me once. WOW. ---
**Author:** ![tho](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9de053/32.png) [@tho](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tho)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2009, 2:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/rant-on-women-anyone-else-agree/31094/4 "2009-07-29T14:57:05Z")
Don’t worry about it, she probably does not even remember you, so when seeing, on her caller ID, some strange phone number, she won’t answer! I have been clubbing before on instant honesty and have had packs of females ask for my number, they never called. I’d say “100%” of women never answer or call, not even after you manage to learn where they live, go to their house and see them in person, fuck them, or bring them back to your house to fuck them, they won’t call, but now they might answer! ---
**Author:** ![djandarial](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/djandarial/32/1667_2.png) [@djandarial](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/djandarial)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2009, 3:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/rant-on-women-anyone-else-agree/31094/5 "2009-07-29T15:02:52Z")
It is all about the message… I have a script somewhere ill see if I can find it… ---
**Author:** ![djandarial](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/djandarial/32/1667_2.png) [@djandarial](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/djandarial)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2009, 3:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/rant-on-women-anyone-else-agree/31094/6 "2009-07-29T15:10:35Z")
THE CALLBACK PATTERN So here’s how it works. First thing is to give her a call when you can best calculate she will NOT be home. That’s right … NOT be home. This is an important part of the set up; to leave an “average Joe” kinda message that will NOT get a response. When you get her machine, leave a message like, “Hey … this is Bob … I met you at the Starbucks. Call me back at 555-5512.” The sad thing, of course, is how this message, straightforward as it is, almost NEVER gets a response. It almost always will get ignored … which is what you want! The killer piece comes about a week later when you leave your NEXT message. This will almost always work; it’s worked 90% of the time for me, and of those times, about 80% of the women called back within 24hrs, some as soon as within the hour! Here’s the message you leave, the second time: “Hey Debbie … this is Bob … I thought I’d give it one last shot at getting a chance to talk. I’ve learned one lesson, living in (insert your city or part of the country … since I live in L.A., I say L.A!) L.A. my whole life, and that’s that beauty is common … but people with a great attitude … a great energy … a great outlook on life are rare … and they’re worth working to get to know. And I think that’s an understanding that goes BOTH ways. So if you can find your own reasons to call me, my number is 555-5512.” …I know you guys love me for finding these random @ss tidbits… ---
**Author:** ![Richm717](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c0e974/32.png) [@Richm717](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Richm717)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2009, 3:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/rant-on-women-anyone-else-agree/31094/7 "2009-07-29T15:16:39Z")
I’m glad you posted this, I’m currently debating on whether or not to procede after recieving a number. After the crazy night I had last Sat, I actually got a phone number, and have been debating on whether or not to call it…I think I’m gonna suck it up and do it later, I’ll keep you posted 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Julia](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/julia/32/1388_2.png) [@Julia](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Julia)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2009, 3:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/rant-on-women-anyone-else-agree/31094/8 "2009-07-29T15:26:44Z")
> [@djandarial](#): > > THE CALLBACK PATTERN > > So here’s how it works. First thing is to give her a call when you can best calculate she will NOT > be home. That’s right … NOT be home. This is an important part of the set up; to leave an > “average Joe” kinda message that will NOT get a response. > > When you get her machine, leave a message like, “Hey … this is Bob … I met you at the > Starbucks. Call me back at 555-5512.” > > The sad thing, of course, is how this message, straightforward as it is, almost NEVER gets a > response. It almost always will get ignored … which is what you want! > > The killer piece comes about a week later when you leave your NEXT message. This will almost > always work; it’s worked 90% of the time for me, and of those times, about 80% of the women > called back within 24hrs, some as soon as within the hour! > > Here’s the message you leave, the second time: > > “Hey Debbie … this is Bob … I thought I’d give it one last shot at getting a chance to talk. I’ve > learned one lesson, living in (insert your city or part of the country … since I live in L.A., I say > L.A!) L.A. my whole life, and that’s that beauty is common … but people with a great attitude … > a great energy … a great outlook on life are rare … and they’re worth working to get to know. And > I think that’s an understanding that goes BOTH ways. So if you can find your own reasons to call > me, my number is 555-5512.” > > …I know you guys love me for finding these random @ss tidbits… I would not never call someone after 1 week, most of us girls have an unspoken 3 day rule of speaking with someone, especially in the big city.. if you as a man dont move fast enough, someone else will. ---
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2009, 3:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/rant-on-women-anyone-else-agree/31094/9 "2009-07-29T15:39:38Z")
DJ, thanks for digging that up, but it’s something I would never use. I don’t practice PUA material, and prefer to just straight up be myself. For the 1 in 5 women or so that that’s not good enough for, then so be it. If I’ve got to take her down a notch, then build her back up before she’ll want to talk to me, I probably wouldn’t have been interested anyway. I see the logic in it and why it would work, and it sounds a lot like David D material, but it’s not me. But, again thanks for digging it out, I’m sure that some of the guys will use it. ---
**Author:** ![djandarial](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/djandarial/32/1667_2.png) [@djandarial](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/djandarial)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2009, 3:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/rant-on-women-anyone-else-agree/31094/10 "2009-07-29T15:42:41Z")
> [@mark-in-dallas](#): > > DJ, thanks for digging that up, but it’s something I would never use. I don’t practice PUA material, and prefer to just straight up be myself. > > For the 1 in 5 women or so that that’s not good enough for, then so be it. If I’ve got to take her down a notch, then build her back up before she’ll want to talk to me, I probably wouldn’t have been interested anyway. > > I see the logic in it and why it would work, and it sounds a lot like David D material, but it’s not me. But, again thanks for digging it out, I’m sure that some of the guys will use it. That’s not Pickup… That’s Callback LOL splitting hairs I know. It is not about being good brother, it is about what is said. Take the context of it, and see why it does not sound like every other caller out there. It is unique, plain and simple. I give wrong info too, and trust me, this would spike my inbox BIG Time… Kinda like a girl grabbing your arm and saying… you are going to call right? Hell yea Im gonna call… when that happened to me… that was the only number from that night I did call back. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2009, 4:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/rant-on-women-anyone-else-agree/31094/11 "2009-07-29T16:04:16Z")
> [@](#): > > “Hey Debbie … this is Bob … I thought I’d give it one last shot at getting a chance to talk. I’ve > learned one lesson, living in (insert your city or part of the country … since I live in L.A., I say > L.A!) L.A. my whole life, and that’s that beauty is common … but people with a great attitude … > a great energy … a great outlook on life are rare … and they’re worth working to get to know. And > I think that’s an understanding that goes BOTH ways. So if you can find your own reasons to call > me, my number is 555-5512.” Good goddess that was cheesy LOL I snorted my coffee across the room. It comes across as trying to hard. Best way to get them to call you back is make them laugh. Steve is great at this. He always leaves something crazy funny on my voice mail and you cant help but want to call back. It dosnt come across as needy, shows confidence and recaptures the feelings of the prior meeting. > [@](#): > > For any ladies that are reading this, I realize that some of you may defend this or feel that it’s ok, by saying that when the girl gave out her number she might have been drunk, in a different frame of mind, thought she might be interested then changed her mind, or only gave out her number because she didn’t want to say no, and that it’s easier to avoid talking to us than own up to having made a mistake in giving out her number. I agree Mark ladies should not give you there number if they do not intend on anwsering when you call. If you are waiting a few days it can be as Julia suggested and they have moved on. 48 to 72 hours is good. Dont go shorter then that. If they are doing it because they didnt have the nerve to tell you no to begin with you dont want them anyways 😉 When guys ask for mine I just say nope and if they bug me and ask me why not I just tell them because giving you my number implies I want you to call it. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![djandarial](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/djandarial/32/1667_2.png) [@djandarial](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/djandarial)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2009, 4:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/rant-on-women-anyone-else-agree/31094/12 "2009-07-29T16:10:25Z")
It is a bit cheesy, but it is genuine and how some people really feel. I believe it depends on how it is said, slow and with confidence, changes a lot in out speech. ---
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2009, 4:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/rant-on-women-anyone-else-agree/31094/13 "2009-07-29T16:19:17Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > If you are waiting a few days it can be as Julia suggested and they have moved on. 48 to 72 hours is good. Dont go shorter then that. If they are doing it because they didnt have the nerve to tell you no to begin with you dont want them anyways 😉 > > Tisha I usually wait 48 hours before, not to rushed and not to prolonged. I know the 3 day rule, and calling the second day I think shows more of an interest than waiting till the 3rd day, but not a neediness that calling the next day would show. 🙂 It’s a fine line we gotta walk. 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2009, 4:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/rant-on-women-anyone-else-agree/31094/14 "2009-07-29T16:22:35Z")
any girl stupid enough to give her number out ONLY becuase she is drunk should have her phone blown-up with calls until she has to change her number. any man stupid enough to think a drunk girl likes him enough to give out private numbers should _have_ to call a million times to _get_ the message that hitting on drunk women isnt the smartest game. anyone else agree? ---
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2009, 4:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/rant-on-women-anyone-else-agree/31094/15 "2009-07-29T16:27:49Z")
Lor, I’ll agree with you on that one, but what about the other 3 scenarios I presented, or any other of a number of reasons why a girl would choose not to take a call? I don’t hit on women that are obviously drunk, but I do meet women in nightclubs. ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2009, 4:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/rant-on-women-anyone-else-agree/31094/16 "2009-07-29T16:47:59Z")
> [@mark-in-dallas](#): > > Lor, I’ll agree with you on that one, but what about the other 3 scenarios I presented, or any other of a number of reasons why a girl would choose not to take a call? > > I don’t hit on women that are obviously drunk, but I do meet women in nightclubs. being a bartender, i am only qualified to _accurately_ judge the drunkies. boy, does alcohol lower an IQ ! on the other points, my only feeling here is that sometimes something (could be anything really) gives a gal a reason to _go for it_, and then upon giving it more thought, she caves. i have given my number to a guy that i though i was hitting it off with, only to have analyzed it in my mind and talked myself out of it. maybe its self-esteem, maybe its that if a gal feels a instant connection, its suddenly super-important to her _how_ she handles it. a preconcieved notion of how “game” is played screws everything up,lol. maybe she thinks “what is the right thing to do here?” instead of “what a nice guy! an hour or 2 out sounds like fun” over-thinking _just having a cup of coffee_ happens to _alot_ of us,Mark. more of us need to just lighten-up, life is too short. it took me getting older to quit seeing men as men and women as women, and start seeing everyone as JUST PEOPLE, individuals. ---
**Author:** ![Julia](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/julia/32/1388_2.png) [@Julia](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Julia)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2009, 4:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/rant-on-women-anyone-else-agree/31094/17 "2009-07-29T16:52:23Z")
When I met my boyfriend at a friendly bbq, we really hit it off, so much so he called me the very next day, I was flattered with his tenacity.. he had a knack for making me feel special naturally and there was this little sparkle between us, which have since grown into fireworks 🙂. ---
**Author:** ![djandarial](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/djandarial/32/1667_2.png) [@djandarial](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/djandarial)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2009, 4:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/rant-on-women-anyone-else-agree/31094/18 "2009-07-29T16:55:07Z")
I say this. $crew the 3 day rule, if you like her Call. If I really hit it off with someone, I will call the next day say hey… I was thinking of our conversation and then I was thinking of you. Want to get together and have a drink at barnes and noble or half price books and talk? ---
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2009, 4:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/rant-on-women-anyone-else-agree/31094/19 "2009-07-29T16:59:34Z")
I agree with you on all those points Lor. All I’m saying is that we have to _“man up”_ to get a girls attention, and I don’t think it’s too much to ask that if she changed her mind, decided she made a mistake, or for whatever other reason she just wasn’t interested, she could be ladylike and show enough respect to take the call and tell us. ---
**Author:** ![Julia](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/julia/32/1388_2.png) [@Julia](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Julia)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2009, 5:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/rant-on-women-anyone-else-agree/31094/20 "2009-07-29T17:03:43Z")
sorry looking back my understanding of the 3 day rule meaning within 3 days. [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/rant-on-women-anyone-else-agree/31094.md?page=2)