# Re: HELP! Sex with girl I like **URL:** \ **Category:** Lounge\ **Created:** [February 14, 2008, 3:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/re-help-sex-with-girl-i-like/9249 "2008-02-14T03:02:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![sugarspice](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sugarspice/32/1772_2.png) [@sugarspice](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sugarspice)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2008, 11:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/re-help-sex-with-girl-i-like/9249/21 "2008-02-16T23:32:58Z")
> [@greentea](#): > > I gave up on using these Pheros,I bought Turn up the Heat and Instant Female Magic and I notice NO difference with how girls react to me.I think the stuff is bogus to be honest. coughPLACEBOcough. šŸ˜‰ What you have to understand is women are not normally physically driven creatures. We might think hot guy, want to jump his bones, but we wonā€™t all act on it, unless we are drunk or drugged, or want to get over an ex. He has to also lower our fear resistance. Here is a list of the things we might fear: - Being stuck with a guy who doesnā€™t care about our feeling - The guy only likes us for the physical - The guy is a cheater - The guy is going to talk about us in a conquest kind of way - The guy is going to waste our time - Itā€™s only going to be good for him - Sex makes people psycho - Going to catch a disease So for her to just want to jump your bones, she has to have heighten desirability and get over these fears. Pheros do not lower inhibitions like alcohol and drugs or hate for the ex, but they do heighten desirability like a good haircut, suit and cologne. Lots of hot guys though make themselves look bad by thinking they donā€™t have to be a gentleman, that the woman owes them sex for taking them out, smelling good, etc. The best way to get your womanā€¦is wait, and get her to yearn for you so much she canā€™t think straight. If you can wait longer than she canā€¦you win. You should read the ā€œArt of Seduction.ā€ I has a section on anti-seductive behaviors, such as not being able to wait, being vulger, looking offensive, being a brute, cheap, talking too much etc. Not that you fit any of these, but it would surprise us how many seductive good looking people make these mistakes, and wonder why the lesser average guy gets the woman. ---
**Author:** ![codemax](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/codemax/32/5173_2.png) [@codemax](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/codemax)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2008, 5:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/re-help-sex-with-girl-i-like/9249/22 "2008-02-17T05:25:13Z")
so being able to wait for when sheā€™s ready is really an attractive behavior? i am often afraid that i could accidentally be sending the message that im not interested in her sexually unless i try to go for it, at least once in a while. ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2008, 8:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/re-help-sex-with-girl-i-like/9249/23 "2008-02-17T08:04:07Z")
> [@comradmax](#): > > so being able to wait for when sheā€™s ready is really an attractive behavior? i am often afraid that i could accidentally be sending the message that im not interested in her sexually unless i try to go for it, at least once in a while. You can send that unintentionally if she wants it and you donā€™t at that moment as happened to me at least once.. ---
**Author:** ![Mohammad\_Shah](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mohammad_shah/32/873_2.png) [@Mohammad\_Shah](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mohammad_Shah)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2008, 11:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/re-help-sex-with-girl-i-like/9249/24 "2008-02-17T11:09:09Z")
> [@sugarspice](#): > > Lots of hot guys though make themselves look bad by thinking they donā€™t have to be a gentleman, that the woman owes them sex for taking them out, smelling good, etc. The best way to get your womanā€¦is wait, and get her to yearn for you so much she canā€™t think straight. If you can wait longer than she canā€¦you win. I agree to this.šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![Mohammad\_Shah](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mohammad_shah/32/873_2.png) [@Mohammad\_Shah](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mohammad_Shah)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2008, 11:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/re-help-sex-with-girl-i-like/9249/25 "2008-02-17T11:15:16Z")
> [@comradmax](#): > > so being able to wait for when sheā€™s ready is really an attractive behavior? i am often afraid that i could accidentally be sending the message that im not interested in her sexually unless i try to go for it, at least once in a while. You have to be smart enough to make your own judgementā€¦it is subjected to ā€œtrial and errorā€. ---
**Author:** ![aleksander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/aeb1de/32.png) [@aleksander](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/aleksander)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2008, 2:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/re-help-sex-with-girl-i-like/9249/26 "2008-02-17T14:42:21Z")
do not act like sex is so big deal, if you do not think it is a big deal your woman is not gonna think it to. if you think a close is a big deal she is gonna sense it and make a big deal out of it. ---
**Author:** ![sugarspice](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sugarspice/32/1772_2.png) [@sugarspice](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sugarspice)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2008, 7:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/re-help-sex-with-girl-i-like/9249/27 "2008-02-17T19:33:15Z")
> [@comradmax](#): > > so being able to wait for when sheā€™s ready is really an attractive behavior? i am often afraid that i could accidentally be sending the message that im not interested in her sexually unless i try to go for it, at least once in a while. I wouldnā€™t say attractive, but it does lower resistance. Thatā€™s the biggest obstacle you have is her resistance. Besides, players do this to me ALL the time and it almost always works. And the longer they can wait the more flustered I get. Cuz you donā€™t expect it. Usually players can do this because they have someone already. Hmmmm, now that you knowā€¦Iā€™m going to have spike your pheros with skunk juice. Hehehe. šŸ™„ > [@aleksander](#): > > do not act like sex is so big deal, if you do not think it is a big deal your woman is not gonna think it to. > if you think a close is a big deal she is gonna sense it and make a big deal out of it. Yup, when a man wants sex heā€™s kind of like an animal in hunting stage. Whatā€™s the natural response to being hunted??..RUN!!! Just like when you meet a girl who acts too giddy around you before youā€™ve formulated the idea that you want her tooā€¦ Makes you want to put up a wall, cuz sheā€™s acting weird. Like somehow you feel obligated to give her something that your not sure your ready to. Obligation is a desire killer. If I were you Iā€™d ask her to hang out during the day in some public place where you canā€™t have sex, and just for the hell of it, let the tension build. Just be really nice, like ā€œhey your so cool to hang out with, i wonder why we didnā€™t do this more often.ā€ And then just let it simmer. Chances are if she breaksā€¦it will be really good!!! If you break, thatā€™s too predictable. Iā€™m gonna say if she gave you a BJ without wanting anything backā€¦ chances is are she did it for control. Sheā€™s no passive angel waiting for you to make the moves. I had a girlfriend who bragged about her sense of control. And you can see the men whimper and claw at her doors. She wasnā€™t the most attractive out of my circle of friends, but she was quite the master of her relationships. Usually when someone wants to give me something really pleasurable and not want anything backā€¦I usually say no thanks. The yearning can drive you crazy. And they know it. And then they can pretty much get away with murder. If you donā€™t have the same kind of hold on them by being great in bed too ā€¦ you abide by their whims. Generally people are slaves to extreme pleasure. ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2008, 8:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/re-help-sex-with-girl-i-like/9249/28 "2008-02-17T20:18:58Z")
Hey Sugar knows her stuff! I have to agree, waiting and letting the tension build works amazingly well. The trick is not to be indifferent but still be sensuous and attentive without losing control. Immediately and persistently trying for sex makes you look needy and desperateā€“women flee and fast. > [@](#): > > Iā€™m gonna say if she gave you a BJ without wanting anything backā€¦ chances is are she did it for control. Sheā€™s no passive angel waiting for you to make the moves. Yep, and this type of behavior is actually pretty common. The reverse is withholding sex for control. Guys are real suckers for both these techniques. ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2008, 8:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/re-help-sex-with-girl-i-like/9249/29 "2008-02-17T20:32:58Z")
> [@Gegogi](#): > > Hey Sugar knows her stuff! I have to agree, waiting and letting the tension build works amazingly well. The trick is not to be indifferent but still be sensuous and attentive without losing control. Immediately and persistently trying for sex makes you look needy and desperateā€“women flee and fast. > > Yep, and this type of behavior is actually pretty common. The reverse is withholding sex for control. Guys are real suckers for both these techniques. She can be a person who is wanting to just use you, too. You will find out if you donā€™t accept her request to give you a bjā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2008, 8:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/re-help-sex-with-girl-i-like/9249/30 "2008-02-17T20:37:30Z")
Thatā€™s Sugar said. The BJ was for control, and thatā€™s the ultimate as far as being used. ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2008, 8:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/re-help-sex-with-girl-i-like/9249/31 "2008-02-17T20:39:20Z")
> [@Gegogi](#): > > Thatā€™s Sugar said. The BJ was for control, and thatā€™s the ultimate as far as being used. precisely.. Iā€™ve known someone like that in fact. ---
**Author:** ![Mohammad\_Shah](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mohammad_shah/32/873_2.png) [@Mohammad\_Shah](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mohammad_Shah)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2008, 1:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/re-help-sex-with-girl-i-like/9249/32 "2008-02-18T01:01:09Z")
> [@aleksander](#): > > do not act like sex is so big deal, if you do not think it is a big deal your woman is not gonna think it to. > if you think a close is a big deal she is gonna sense it and make a big deal out of it. Good point there! šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![Mohammad\_Shah](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mohammad_shah/32/873_2.png) [@Mohammad\_Shah](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mohammad_Shah)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2008, 1:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/re-help-sex-with-girl-i-like/9249/33 "2008-02-18T01:06:25Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > I also got to wonder if you gave up on pheromones which is fine then why are you asking advice in a pheromone forum ? Of course he has to ask advices here, Tisha! Where else can you find worldā€™s experts (on any subject)?šŸ™„ šŸ˜‰ šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![Mohammad\_Shah](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mohammad_shah/32/873_2.png) [@Mohammad\_Shah](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mohammad_Shah)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2008, 1:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/re-help-sex-with-girl-i-like/9249/34 "2008-02-18T01:12:53Z")
> [@Phoenix](#): > > You will find out if you donā€™t accept her request to give you a bjā€¦ What a waste if he does that!šŸ˜ƒ šŸ˜ƒ šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2008, 1:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/re-help-sex-with-girl-i-like/9249/35 "2008-02-18T01:58:08Z")
> [@Phoenix](#): > > precisely.. Iā€™ve known someone like that in fact. Iā€™ve had my fair share of ā€œcontrol BJs.ā€ Usually she plans it far in advance. Sometimes even tells you a BJ is yours next week. And ainā€™t it grand until later you realize sheā€™s still tightly gripping your nads. And if you donā€™t obey her commands she gets really indignant and will try to squeeze them right off. ---
**Author:** ![greentea](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/greentea/32/1869_2.png) [@greentea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/greentea)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2008, 3:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/re-help-sex-with-girl-i-like/9249/36 "2008-02-18T03:39:01Z")
> [@Gegogi](#): > > Thatā€™s Sugar said. The BJ was for control, and thatā€™s the ultimate as far as being used. Actually,I have to disagree,I dont think the BJ several years ago was for control.Why? well because I could have had sex with her back then,fact is,she asked me many times to have sex with her back then.The reason why I didnt,was because I was a virgin at the time and honestly was not ready. Im 28,I was like 20 when I was seeing this girl originally and yes at 20 I was a still a virgin.So it wasnt HER that rejected sex back then,it was me.Thats why I dont think the BJ was a control thing,because she was down for intercourse,it was my call. ---
**Author:** ![Mohammad\_Shah](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mohammad_shah/32/873_2.png) [@Mohammad\_Shah](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mohammad_Shah)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2008, 4:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/re-help-sex-with-girl-i-like/9249/37 "2008-02-18T04:20:10Z")
When they donā€™t get sex they blame [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/), when they get plenty of sex they still blame pheromones! ā€œYour Honour, I didnā€™t ask the girl to have sex with me, my pheromones did!ā€šŸ˜ƒ šŸ˜ƒ šŸ˜ƒ Oh Boy! Lucky for me, I have given my pheromones away!šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![sugarspice](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sugarspice/32/1772_2.png) [@sugarspice](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sugarspice)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2008, 4:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/re-help-sex-with-girl-i-like/9249/38 "2008-02-18T04:29:48Z")
> [@Gegogi](#): > > Iā€™ve had my fair share of ā€œcontrol BJs.ā€ Usually she plans it far in advance. Sometimes even tells you a BJ is yours next week. And ainā€™t it grand until later you realize sheā€™s still tightly gripping your nads. And if you donā€™t obey her commands she gets really indignant and will try to squeeze them right off. Ok Iā€™ve never heard of any woman doing that for control! Haha. Sometimes they do that simply out of hesitancy. I can say a few men expect it the way they expect sex, which make a woman feel pressure and hesitant. True, we might say next time, cuz we donā€™t want to do it this time. The best way to get is to give. I can tell you that if there is major attraction, and the guy spoils her, in bed and finances and granted heā€™s not a control freak or user (basically she feel safe), if it were me, he is in for the love of his life. I have a huge bedroom ego. If they kind of do a half ass job of seducing for sex and not for love, they are lucky to get regular sex once or twice before I cut them off for something else. > [@greentea](#): > > Actually,I have to disagree,I dont think the BJ several years ago was for control.Why? well because I could have had sex with her back then,fact is,she asked me many times to have sex with her back then.The reason why I didnt,was because I was a virgin at the time and honestly was not ready. > > Im 28,I was like 20 when I was seeing this girl originally and yes at 20 I was a still a virgin.So it wasnt HER that rejected sex back then,it was me.Thats why I dont think the BJ was a control thing,because she was down for intercourse,it was my call. In this situation is sounds like payback or on her period. In this case you would need to chase yet remain in control. Youā€™ll probably get it the next time few times around. She simply wants you to want her more. But the rules of seduction remain the same. Play it cool. If she has made it know she did want sex, youā€™re going to have to trust you cahones and be a bit Rhett Butler about it. Basically again, lower inhibitions, heighten desire, and build resistance, sure formula for getting laid. Itā€™s why women can almost always get laid. We were taught to not be too easy, dress well, wear makeup smell good, and be as sweet as pie when we want something. ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2008, 5:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/re-help-sex-with-girl-i-like/9249/39 "2008-02-18T05:29:59Z")
> [@](#): > > Ok Iā€™ve never heard of any woman doing that for control! Haha. I guess you never met my last GF! Ultra alpha, bossy as hell and used sex as the ultimate weapon. She worked as a bar hostess (Asian style hostess) and was an expert at manipulating men. One look and you were on your knees. Iā€™m still reeling many moons later. I wake up in the middle of the night just to check if my jewels are still intactā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![greentea](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/greentea/32/1869_2.png) [@greentea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/greentea)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2008, 7:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/re-help-sex-with-girl-i-like/9249/40 "2008-02-18T07:30:52Z")
> [@Gegogi](#): > > I guess you never met my last GF! Ultra alpha, bossy as hell and used sex as the ultimate weapon. She worked as a bar hostess (Asian style hostess) and was an expert at manipulating men. One look and you were on your knees. Iā€™m still reeling many moons later. I wake up in the middle of the night just to check if my jewels are still intactā€¦ Asian bar hostesses are hotties bro,I feel for this thai hostess once _sigh_ she was awesome lol [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/re-help-sex-with-girl-i-like/9249.md?page=1) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/re-help-sex-with-girl-i-like/9249.md?page=3)