# Reduce -none aggression and A1 depression **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [February 13, 2007, 4:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/reduce-none-aggression-and-a1-depression/2023 "2007-02-13T16:25:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![nbully79](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c68b51/32.png) [@nbully79](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nbully79)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2007, 4:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/reduce-none-aggression-and-a1-depression/2023/1 "2007-02-13T16:25:23Z")
**Reduce -none aggression** There has been a lot of discussions about this in the past. In my admittedly limited experience it has been androsterone. androsterone:androstenone = 1:1 completely removes the negative aspects of it but also brings down the positives. Now with so many putatives and experimones there has to be something that does this job better i.e. leaves/enhances the good and reduces the bad. Some candidate molecules that come to mind are TAK, P86, P79… Which **single** molecule (not product) does the job best so far in your opinion? **Reduce A1 male depression** This is an oft discussed topic as well. In my experience it has been estratetraenol. Is there anything that works better? The candidate molecules which come to mind are TAA, Anol, TAH… So again which **single** molecule (not product) does the job best so far in your opinion? ---
**Author:** ![Bunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Bunny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bunny)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2007, 4:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/reduce-none-aggression-and-a1-depression/2023/2 "2007-02-13T16:40:51Z")
I have absolutely no idea what a man wearing EST does, but when a woman wears it in the presence of a man, it definitely gives a VERY cuddly feel to the proceedings and makes the guy really docile and not at all talkative. I just posted about this in the Women’s forum, in fact. Ail 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2007, 7:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/reduce-none-aggression-and-a1-depression/2023/3 "2007-02-14T07:41:57Z")
Androstanone can serve as a buffer for androstenone. In other words it holds back some of the aggressiveness without destroying the horny vide. Also, a new product at Love Scent, Aquagen, uses Androstanone to buffer androstenone. I’ve been testing Aquagen and it seems to be a solid social/professional [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) mix. I’ve played with Androstanone the past couple months and found it takes the raw edge off NPA without sucking the life outta the horny. ---
**Author:** ![toilofday](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/toilofday/32/371_2.png) [@toilofday](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/toilofday)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2007, 7:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/reduce-none-aggression-and-a1-depression/2023/4 "2007-02-14T07:59:36Z")
Good find, i’m gonna buy some. I was going to give you rep points, but it won’t let me. So it’s the thougth that will have to count. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2007, 1:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/reduce-none-aggression-and-a1-depression/2023/5 "2007-02-14T13:44:57Z")
> [@toilofday](#): > > Good find, i’m gonna buy some. I was going to give you rep points, but it won’t let me. So it’s the thougth that will have to count. 🙂 Yeah I thought this post was pretty valuable to so on the behalf of Toil, who is a great person that’s 1 rep point to you. ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2007, 4:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/reduce-none-aggression-and-a1-depression/2023/6 "2007-02-14T16:14:17Z")
> [@Gegogi](#): > > Androstanone can serve as a buffer for androstenone. In other words it holds back some of the aggressiveness without destroying the horny vide. Jasmine told me I can’t mention where I bought it, but a quick google will locate the source. Also, a new product at Love Scent, Aquagen, uses Androstanone to buffer androstenone. I’ve been testing Aquagen and it seems to be a solid social/professional pheromone mix. I’ve got that.. I wonder if it would mix well with Ammunition? ---
**Author:** ![toilofday](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/toilofday/32/371_2.png) [@toilofday](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/toilofday)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2007, 7:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/reduce-none-aggression-and-a1-depression/2023/7 "2007-02-14T19:14:48Z")
> [@steveo](#): > > Yeah I thought this post was pretty valuable to so on the behalf of Toil, who is a great person that’s 1 rep point to you. Why thank you good sir. ---
**Author:** ![nbully79](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c68b51/32.png) [@nbully79](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nbully79)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2007, 7:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/reduce-none-aggression-and-a1-depression/2023/8 "2007-02-14T19:34:31Z")
> [@Phoenix](#): > > I’ve got that.. I wonder if it would mix well with Ammunition? I think Ammunition is pretty well balanced as it is. It might be worth trying out with TUTH though if you have that. ---
**Author:** ![nbully79](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c68b51/32.png) [@nbully79](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nbully79)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2007, 7:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/reduce-none-aggression-and-a1-depression/2023/9 "2007-02-14T19:37:36Z")
> [@Gegogi](#): > > Androstanone can serve as a buffer for androstenone. In other words it holds back some of the aggressiveness without destroying the horny vide. Also, a new product at Love Scent, Aquagen, uses Androstanone to buffer androstenone. I’ve been testing Aquagen and it seems to be a solid social/professional pheromone mix. > > I’ve played with Androstanone the past couple months and found it takes the raw edge off NPA without sucking the life outta the horny. Gegogi, this Androstanone sure does look interesting! I am curious if you notice any difference between -none buffered with -Androstenol -none buffered with Androstadienone -none buffered with Androstanone I remember there were talks about WAGG acting as a good buffer for -none. Do you have any experience with that? Also since you have very good handle on -none and use it to really good effects I would like to hear your experience with P79 added to -none. It has worked well for me and some other users too in bringing -none sexual effects to the fore without exacerbating any aggression effects. ---
**Author:** ![toilofday](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/toilofday/32/371_2.png) [@toilofday](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/toilofday)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2007, 7:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/reduce-none-aggression-and-a1-depression/2023/10 "2007-02-14T19:41:48Z")
Gegogi, What ratio do you use to buffer? ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2007, 7:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/reduce-none-aggression-and-a1-depression/2023/11 "2007-02-14T19:42:17Z")
> [@nbully79](#): > > I think Ammunition is pretty well balanced as it is. It might be worth trying out with Turn Up The Heat though if you have that. Why, does it include Androstanone too? I thinking about avoiding side-effects … ---
**Author:** ![nbully79](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c68b51/32.png) [@nbully79](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nbully79)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2007, 8:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/reduce-none-aggression-and-a1-depression/2023/12 "2007-02-14T20:10:54Z")
> [@Phoenix](#): > > Why, does it include Androstanone too? I thinking about avoiding side-effects … I don’t think it includes Androstanone. But in [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) the -none never feels heavy. On second thoughts if you have version 1.0 and/or if you do see aggression (when you are sure it’s not buildup) then trying with Androstanone might be worth a shot. Version 1.5 has -Androsterone and you have to read Lor’s comments in her multiple postings on this topic to understand it really is quite a happy mix. ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2007, 8:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/reduce-none-aggression-and-a1-depression/2023/13 "2007-02-14T20:28:16Z")
> [@nbully79](#): > > I don’t think it includes Androstanone. But in Ammo the -none never feels heavy. On second thoughts if you have version 1.0 and/or if you do see aggression (when you are sure it’s not buildup) then trying with Androstanone might be worth a shot. > > Version 1.5 has -Androsterone and you have to read Lor’s comments in her multiple postings on this topic to understand it really is quite a happy mix. I have v1.0 at the moment. I have a couple of bottles - one 1.0 and one 1.5 on the way though, not sure if I’ll have it for the weekend. Perhaps I could add a314 mutant to the ammo 1.0? That should give some -rone buffer I guess.. ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2007, 12:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/reduce-none-aggression-and-a1-depression/2023/14 "2007-03-05T00:09:15Z")
> [@nbully79](#): > > **Reduce -none aggression** > > There has been a lot of discussions about this in the past. In my admittedly limited experience it has been androsterone. androsterone:androstenone = 1:1 completely removes the negative aspects of it but also brings down the positives. > Now with so many putatives and experimones there has to be something that does this job better i.e. leaves/enhances the good and reduces the bad. > Some candidate molecules that come to mind are TAK, P86, P79… > Which **single** molecule (not product) does the job best so far in your opinion? TAK seems to let me get away with large amounts of none (do search on [Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/) + TAK). I haven’t yet noticed this at all with P86 or P79. ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2007, 2:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/reduce-none-aggression-and-a1-depression/2023/15 "2007-03-05T02:55:29Z")
> [@](#): > > Gegogi, What ratio do you use to buffer? And now the terrible truth: I don’t need an androstenone buffer. I can pretty much swim in androstenone with mainly positive effects. It’s really difficult to OD. I’m not sure why, but perhaps my mellow persona coupled with being an androstenone deficient Asian may have something to do with it. Nevertheless I’ve been experimenting with androstAnone both as a standalone and in a 50/50 mix with androstenone. As a standalone it reminds me of a combo of Androsterone and Androstenol: social but respectful. Sort of like Scent of Eros but a bit more pushy. Mixed 50/50 it mellows the androstenone and the sexual/agressive enhancement is diminished without destroying it. For me, that combo was a bit of a flop as I want the full blown sexual/agressive enhancement, but it may be perfect for young men with plenty of natural [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) or a more threatening persona. Eventually plan to try androstAnone with androsterone and Androstenol. I think it has the most promise in mixes designed for work and general socializing. ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2007, 8:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/reduce-none-aggression-and-a1-depression/2023/16 "2007-03-08T08:21:37Z")
> [@Gegogi](#): > > And now the terrible truth: I don’t need an androstenone buffer. I can pretty much swim in androstenone with mainly positive effects. It’s really difficult to OD. I’m not sure why, but perhaps my mellow persona coupled with being an androstenone deficient Asian may have something to do with it. > > **Nevertheless I’ve been experimenting with androstAnone both as a standalone and in a 50/50 mix with androstenone. As a standalone it reminds me of a combo of Androsterone and Androstenol: social but respectful. Sort of like Scent of Eros but a bit more pushy.** Mixed 50/50 it mellows the androstenone and the sexual/agressive enhancement is diminished without destroying it. For me, that combo was a bit of a flop as I want the full blown sexual/agressive enhancement, but it may be perfect for young men with plenty of natural pheromones or a more threatening persona. > > Eventually plan to try androstAnone with androsterone and Androstenol. I think it has the most promise in mixes designed for work and general socializing. Thanks Gegogi, anybody else find AndrostAnone adds a bit to the ‘pushy’ factor? In the post below, a male user thinks that AndrostAnone “when you overdo it, it has the same ‘dark’ vibe as its twin brother [AndrostEnone].” > [@Mx172-173](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx172-173/1398): > > I wanted to take a minute to share my impressions of these two mixes. Talk about radically different effects. MX173 - man dose this mix make ppl clear out. The spacing effect was very dramatic…man, I thought the original version of A314 created a huge bubble…sheesh! If you look at my weekly sales, you can tell the days that I used this mix. Customers…coworkers…male…female…didn’t matter. Even the lovely young girl from Belarus who’s been crushing on me hard lately would literally back away if I … Domingo: "I’ll try, but remember; English is not my native language, so I hope you can understand me, OK? 😃 First there is the scent. Based on that alone, I can not tell the difference between the two -nones, both very stinkie in high (chemset) concentrations. The reaction on myself is a bit more suave with AndrostAnone then is the case with Androst-E-None. In other words, I can tolerate it better. On women it seems to work rather well. That is, if kept within a reasonable dose and toned down with other, more friendly pheromones. I have a mix consisting of: 2.5mcg/TAF, 10mcg/P74, 7,5mcg/P81 and 7,5mcg/p83 per spray, and when I add a small amount of A-none to that it brings very nice results. Girls seem to be real comfortable, and at the same time quite flirty and inviting around me when I wear this. Lots of hair flipping, ‘that’ looks etc. **However, when you overdo it, it has the same ‘dark’ vibe as its twin brother. Maybe even worse…** Best example so far is the experience I had with my dentists assistant. She is in her late twenty’s, and a very nice ‘girl next door’-type. Long, dark hair, ponytail, nice figure, sunny character, just a real nice girl (good teeth also, lol). I don’t know if she has a boyfriend or anything, but I alway’s have the feeling she kindda likes my type also, so to speak. Anyway, recently I had some dentalwork to be done (rootcanal), and because this treatment is done in multiple, rather lenghty sessions, I thought it was a exellent opportunity to test some pheromones. Specially because you have people being very close to you for a fair amount of time. My dentist is a woman too, by the way, but she’s older (late 40ths) and married, and not really attractive, very friendly tho. I like her a lot. On the first session I wore a combination with 2 drops of A314 (in the neck) and some cologne with A-Androstenol and B-Androstenol (you could say it’s kind of like a ‘DeLuxe’-version of ‘Scent of Eros’) and just very little A-none. Just tipped a needle in the bottle and smeared that on my underarms. That’s maybe 1/8th of a drop, maybe more, maybe less, I don’t know, but I could hardly smell it, so it could not have been much. This resulted in overal good vibes, two friendly women doing their job and the assistent being her smiling and lovely self. Later, when she took the next appointment, I made a joke when she asked when I had time for the next appointment, I told her I’d wait till it was ‘skirt season’ again. Nah, this doesnt translate well, but at least it made her laugh out loud, so she thought it was funny and was obviously not offended by it at all. However, the 2nd appointment was very different! This was about 7 weeks later and I wore 2 drops of pure (chemset !!) A-none, added to about 1/2 a ml of diluted cologne (Fahrenheit with some Wodka) so I was able to spray quite a lot of it without being a perfum-bomb. I wore no other pheromones that day. At first the assistent was nice (“hi, hello, how are you?”) big smile, just as usual. After that they started working on me and I didn’t noticed very much regarding effects of the pheromones, well, not untill they were finished, that is! First, they did not offer me any water to clean my mouth. Which is odd, because they ALWAY’S do that! And second, they didn’t pull the lamp up, nor did they adjust the chair, so I just had to slide from under that lamp, which was still quite close to my face, lol. But that’s not all! I also had to make a new appointment for in about 2 weeks, to make a photo and see if it all went well. First, the assistent kept me waiting for almost 15 minutes! And man, that look on her face when she finally made time for me! LOL! Like I had done something really bad to her. Very short answers, irritated and a ‘drop dead asshole’-look on her face. I was totally amazed! And I NEVER saw her act like that! And I have seen her like maybe 20 times over the last 6 years. Weird, weird, WEIRD! Off course, two weeks later everything was completely back to normal. So far my experiences with A-none. In short: I think that regarding the effect on women, both the good sides as well as the bad sites are more obvious. For myself I like it better than E-none, because the latter I can’t stand at all. Only thing I have not tried is how it effects other men." ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2007, 4:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/reduce-none-aggression-and-a1-depression/2023/17 "2007-03-10T04:15:26Z")
> [@PheroQuirk](#): > > TAK seems to let me get away with large amounts of none (do search on Instant Jerk + TAK). I haven’t yet noticed this at all with P86 or P79. Quirk, have you tried high-dose P86 with Androstenone? I am talking 50 mcg or more at a time with some Androstenone. That’s how much Tacitus uses and he seems to be saying it is a great mellower (see below). Does P86 on its own still make you feel ‘jangly’ or is it comparable to TAK for you as a mellower? Have you tried lower doses at all with P86 on its own and with -None - maybe 50 mcg is too much for you as per your post below? > [@the inscrutability of p86](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-inscrutability-of-p86/630/4): > > Hmmm… 50mcg (applied midway thru day on prev-applied base of a314 and Shine). Jangly, tuned in more than usual to stress of family getting ready for christmas guests. Not much anxiolytic there at all for me on this occasion. Some sense of distancing too. PheroQuirk: “Hmmm… 50mcg (applied midway thru day on prev-applied base of A314 and Shine). Jangly, tuned in more than usual to stress of family getting ready for christmas guests. Not much anxiolytic there at all for me on this occasion. Some sense of distancing too.” > [@Let's visit the Orgasmotron !](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/lets-visit-the-orgasmotron/1572/8): > > I am starting to think that the Photosonix dual hemisphere training is, in itself, a potent sexual enhancer because the sex becomes a “whole mind/whole self” experience… and there is a great synergy between the mind holism pheromones (esp estratatreanol IMHO) and the what6ever it is, meditative training that the Photosonix is doing to the mind… BTW, the new machine is called the Nova 100 I think, their best one, and the codes for which programs are different… I can send you the right codes for t… Tacitus: “…with the acceptance mix, maybe the the balance of 50 [mu](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram) of [p86](https://pheromonelabs.com/) makes it behave… no probs whatsoever…” > [@Invisibility Pheromones (wear to make you unnoticable)?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/invisibility-pheromones-wear-to-make-you-unnoticable/1448/3): > > How much TAK, dienol, 75 and 86 herr doktor tacitus? Tacitus: “…I’ve found [P86](https://pheromonelabs.com/) to be a superb mellower of situations, others have had different results…” > [@P79 + P83 with bright shiny mones in the background](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p79-p83-with-bright-shiny-mones-in-the-background/1176/12): > > The singing may have been a sense of relief from background anxiety… P86 is not exactly TAK… my opinion is that it feels better, “rounder”, quite soothing… it might serve well as an buffer when you want calm erotocism versus too stoked up passions running amok Tacitus: " [P86](https://pheromonelabs.com/) is not exactly [TAK](https://pheromonelabs.com/)… my opinion is that it feels better, “rounder”, quite soothing… it might serve well as an buffer when you want calm erotocism versus too stoked up passions running amok" > [@P79 + P83 with bright shiny mones in the background](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p79-p83-with-bright-shiny-mones-in-the-background/1176/10): > > Ah, yessss… P86… well, kids, P86 is kind of a super TAK… it isn’t an energizer or an erotociser… it IS a very consistent sedative or calmative pheromone… sometimes I actually use it as a sleep aid.. it won’t make you sleepy directly, it will substantially quiet you down… very centering… anti-anxiety… I’ve always thought of P86 as the Prozac of pheromones… where P88 is really weird stuff, clearly in the oddball camp… one of the pheromonodelics… in small doses will add a potent sense of social awa… Tacitus: "Ah, yessss… [P86](https://pheromonelabs.com/)… well, kids, [P86](https://pheromonelabs.com/) is kind of a super [TAK](https://pheromonelabs.com/)… it isn’t an energizer or an erotociser… it IS a very consistent sedative or calmative pheromone… sometimes I actually use it as a sleep aid.. it won’t make you sleepy directly, it will substantially quiet you down… very centering… anti-anxiety… I’ve always thought of [P86](https://pheromonelabs.com/) as the Prozac of pheromones… " > [@An Uncool Goober Monk on Pheromones](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-uncool-goober-monk-on-pheromones/830/39): > > Don’t fish off the company pier dude my general thinking is the ONLY pheromones I’d want to use in the WORKPLACE are the non-sexual, mind clearing or pro-communicative types… low dose of P87 or P88 comes to mind… absolutely NOT the andronstenone of -none like substances… IME, many people have either poor impulse control or less than ideal levels of self awareness and are not overly conscious of how “past the envelope” of professional behavior they can be… remember, and remember well, that any d… Tacitus: “… BTW [P86](https://pheromonelabs.com/) can be useful as a social level headed -pheromone… it seems to reduce aggression and spontaneously inappropriate behavior…”