# Relationship help - seeing her again tonight **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [June 18, 2010, 4:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/relationship-help-seeing-her-again-tonight/39399 "2010-06-18T16:44:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![TwistedOstrich](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/twistedostrich/32/627_2.png) [@TwistedOstrich](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TwistedOstrich)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2010, 4:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/relationship-help-seeing-her-again-tonight/39399/1 "2010-06-18T16:44:53Z")
So I’ve been with her for 6 months now. I’ve found that she can be a little nutritionally deprived resulting in irritation and anger meanwhile she likes to drink alot of beer so she also estrogen dominant. So I get alot of PMS from her sometimes. She had promised at a very emotional moment to have tolerance for me, not rush me, be nice to me. Do whatever is necessary to help herself. We got her a multivitamin and an estrogen detox. This past month she was perfect even though her period. When I see her irritated from not having enough food, being snappy… As soon as she takes the multivitamin shes back to her happy self. But this past week after her period she has had a few beers each day out of convenience, then boom we been fighting almost every day on little things that get blown out of proportion. Like the other day mentioning I cant wait to be out in the sun with her, she got upset because I should want to be with her anywhere. Sooo… I made a journal entry of our last encounter. I had used some Bnols for the first time and she let me have it, all honesty came out. With a little of [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/), I got the insecurities too. Just now she says her anger problem is my fault (estrogen induced anger I believe). Please tell me what you think of the situation guys and girls. Is this fixable, how should I approach it? Link to the entry… > [@Learnings of a Twisted Ostrich](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/learnings-of-a-twisted-ostrich/33076/81): > > So I got very mixed results on my first trial of P86, but I believe the P86 helped me threw it. But I think introducing a mix of Bnols and P83 created a level of insecurity and negative honesty from our previous fight that wasn’t good for the relationship. I will have to be careful with Bnols when making up after a fight. Test 33: P86 Introduction with P83 and bnols minus [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/) Application- 6pm 2x A314 P95 2x @10mcg p83 2x @10mcg P86 2x @20mcg none @ 7.5mcg TAC @ 20mcg Situation After th… At the moment I’m avoiding anything that would conflict but I know in my heart this has to be resolved for me to stick around. Things have return to normal so far, but for how long… ---
**Author:** ![Wolfy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wolfy/32/965_2.png) [@Wolfy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Wolfy)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2010, 5:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/relationship-help-seeing-her-again-tonight/39399/2 "2010-06-18T17:09:26Z")
interesting, because studies have shown that except in ovulating women raw Androstenone will increase aggression and irritation. (a314 is high in Androstenone although slow released from the oil) I have seen similar situations with it, where the lady is aroused but defensive, I tend to wear ammo or Instant shine to slide in under the radar and other defenses. ---
**Author:** ![TwistedOstrich](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/twistedostrich/32/627_2.png) [@TwistedOstrich](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TwistedOstrich)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2010, 5:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/relationship-help-seeing-her-again-tonight/39399/3 "2010-06-18T17:45:17Z")
> [@Wolfy](#): > > I have seen similar situations with it, where the lady is aroused but defensive, I tend to wear ammo or Instant shine to slide in under the radar and other defenses. True, she loves none even to the point of sniffing my armpits. But maybe I over do it. I’ll stick to socials and comfort strategy for abit with [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/) as a substitute. Any other opinions on the situation? I just got off the phone with her and she refuses to work with me on the aggression problem and instead saying its how I treat her that matters. If thats the case and its all me, I’m thinking we aren’t a good match as this anger is far to frequent. Besides her intolerance and anger we get along extremely well, we are silly together, love different weird things, etc. If anything she gets overly possessive of me and wants me to be around too much (almost a problem). Appreciate everyone’s input, good or bad! ---
**Author:** ![Wolfy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wolfy/32/965_2.png) [@Wolfy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Wolfy)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2010, 6:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/relationship-help-seeing-her-again-tonight/39399/4 "2010-06-18T18:08:45Z")
> [@daset1](#): > > True, she loves none even to the point of sniffing my armpits. But maybe I over do it. I’ll stick to socials and comfort strategy for abit with P75 as a substitute. > > Any other opinions on the situation? I just got off the phone with her and she refuses to work with me on the aggression problem and instead saying its how I treat her that matters. If thats the case and its all me, I’m thinking we aren’t a good match as this anger is far to frequent. > > Besides her intolerance and anger we get along extremely well, we are silly together, love different weird things, etc. If anything she gets overly possessive of me and wants me to be around too much (almost a problem). > > Appreciate everyone’s input, good or bad! Yup, She sounds high maintenance, as she is constantly needing adjustments. Depending on her eating habits (or lack there of as mentioned) she may need to see a dietitian and a doctor for blood work as there may be underlying causes or problems. (I suggest not bringing this up as friction may be started, unless the fight or breakup is already underway) It may be best to realize nothing you or her will do will keep her happy forever, and realize that if there is going to be fighting constantly it will not be healthy for either of you in the long run. if you are willing to work with your relationship and move forward then maybe you can keep it together. I would suggest just a simple 2-3 sprays of IH. (that way you will hear and speak the truth and things can move forward) together or apart however you move forward it is best to move forward with the right intentions and a clear slate. I would start by making a list of the reasons to say together and reasons to split, then talk them over with her. ---
**Author:** ![TwistedOstrich](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/twistedostrich/32/627_2.png) [@TwistedOstrich](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TwistedOstrich)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2010, 6:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/relationship-help-seeing-her-again-tonight/39399/5 "2010-06-18T18:18:05Z")
> [@Wolfy](#): > > Yup, She sounds high maintenance, > as she is constantly needing adjustments. > > Depending on her eating habits (or lack there of as mentioned) she may need to see a dietitian and a doctor for blood work as there may be underlying causes or problems. (I suggest not bringing this up as friction may be started, unless the fight or breakup is already underway) > > I would start by making a list of the reasons to say together and reasons to split, then talk them over with her. Very true, I did my own little test with the multi vitamin and estrogen detox and her mood was perfect for a whole month. So that has to be it. But now she has her back up in denial that there is anything wrong with her. I guess there isn’t any real answer to convince her to see a dietitian or a doctor unless her mood improves drasticly, but then she will say she won’t need it again. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Bearcat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bearcat/32/739_2.png) [@Bearcat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bearcat)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2010, 7:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/relationship-help-seeing-her-again-tonight/39399/6 "2010-06-18T19:44:59Z")
What about A1? Does that seem to calm her down? On a different note, if the girl’s behavior frequently seems to be acidic she may not be worth all the extra effort. ---
**Author:** ![TwistedOstrich](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/twistedostrich/32/627_2.png) [@TwistedOstrich](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TwistedOstrich)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2010, 8:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/relationship-help-seeing-her-again-tonight/39399/7 "2010-06-18T20:19:51Z")
> [@Bearcat](#): > > What about A1? Does that seem to calm her down? On a different note, if the girl’s behavior frequently seems to be acidic she may not be worth all the extra effort. I have quite a few things but not A1 ---
**Author:** ![Coach](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coach/32/2317_2.png) [@Coach](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Coach)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2010, 9:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/relationship-help-seeing-her-again-tonight/39399/8 "2010-06-18T21:22:45Z")
Hey daset1, First of all, I sympathize. We’ve all had difficult girlfriends, if not quite as difficult as yours.😮 In your Journal you said: > [@](#): > > I was then reexamined as to if I am a good mate with her listing all the quality’s of a provider that she wants and that she is un sure of me. Then focusing on all my negative attributes. (We have talked about this many times before me being younger then her). Then being insecure about finding a guy and not wanting to start all over. The rest of the night ended with her being confused and asking me to treat things like when we first started dating, focus on having fun. I must say, that doesn’t sound like a purely hormon-related problem to me. From my experience when a woman tells you that she’s unsure whether you’re the right guy for her that means one of two things: a) She wants to end your relationship but is too chicken to do it herself, so instead she will subtly insult you by saying things like she’s only with you because she’s insecure about finding another guy… So you break up with her or at least give her a reason to break up without feeling guilty. b) She actually likes you, but while you were a challenge in the beginning, you’ve turned beta over time, trying to help her with her problems etc… So although she still likes you she feels more comfortable putting you in the friend zone, which is why you get the I’m-unhappy-with-my-boyfriend-talk usually reserved for the nice guy who doesn’t get any. (Carefull: before you know it your relationship is on a break and she’s complaining to you about the guy she’s currently dating) I’m verry new to the whole mones business, so I can’t recomend any, but I will say this: Don’t let her walk over you… telling you about the provider values you lack is an insult… so is telling you that she’s afraid to start over. Get your Alpha back and let her chase you… If she really is unsure about you being the right guy, she won’t find out while you’re around: Get some distance and make her miss you! Final note: The theory of it is way easier than the reality… Don’t think you’re the only one struggling with the girls… that’s why most of the people are here after all 😉 Coach ---
**Author:** ![Wolfy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wolfy/32/965_2.png) [@Wolfy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Wolfy)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2010, 9:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/relationship-help-seeing-her-again-tonight/39399/9 "2010-06-18T21:45:57Z")
> [@Coach](#): > > a) She wants to end your relationship but is too chicken to do it herself, so instead she will subtly insult you by saying things like she’s only with you because she’s insecure about finding another guy… So you break up with her or at least give her a reason to break up without feeling guilty. but spray on the TUTH and have one last wild weekend with her to remember her by… 😃 and while she is in the fog of the situation tell her you do not think you are compatible and leave before she can get any good jabs in. (verbal, physical or mental) 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![TwistedOstrich](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/twistedostrich/32/627_2.png) [@TwistedOstrich](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TwistedOstrich)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2010, 12:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/relationship-help-seeing-her-again-tonight/39399/10 "2010-06-21T00:18:47Z")
Thanks everyone I’ll be writing a full report in my journal but to conclude everything was straightened out. I had some P86 on that I think she loves. So when I first got there she had an apologetic stance but still unsure type vibe. Its was still abit uneasy until the next day. I invited her to go to a restaurant she always wanted to go to. She wanted some of me even on the way over which was difficult due to our stressfull situation. We didnt go out that night deciding to stay in with eachother for more fun. The next day we concluded to work on things together (which is what I wanted) and to not be so hard on me. fyi- The spot I had sprayed none she commented on smelling really good, and 2 days later still smelling really good! ---
**Author:** ![Coach](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coach/32/2317_2.png) [@Coach](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Coach)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2010, 9:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/relationship-help-seeing-her-again-tonight/39399/11 "2010-06-21T09:04:58Z")
Great to hear it worked out for you two. In the words of Jon Stewart: Keep f\*\*king that chicken! 😉