# Relatively new to pheromones- Turn up the heat **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [April 23, 2006, 3:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/relatively-new-to-pheromones-turn-up-the-heat/304 "2006-04-23T03:33:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Homura83](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/homura83/32/1989_2.png) [@Homura83](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Homura83)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2006, 6:50am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/relatively-new-to-pheromones-turn-up-the-heat/304/21 "2006-04-25T06:50:12Z")
What does your ‘‘Its Him’’ spray consists of then?A majority of the instant line plus copulins? It has some copulins rite?Cause copulins have an odour that you’ll need to cover.I might be getting LAM in my next order.Wondering if its the correct move.. ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2006, 5:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/relatively-new-to-pheromones-turn-up-the-heat/304/22 "2006-04-28T05:40:10Z")
It’s about time for me to be re-ordering. I’d also like to know what’s in this “It’s Him” of yours. I’m guessing IFM and copulins, at least. Gotta look into LAM. ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2006, 5:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/relatively-new-to-pheromones-turn-up-the-heat/304/23 "2006-04-28T05:51:30Z")
> [@sigma](#): > > I used a book called Anatomy of Love by Helen Fisher to build a presentation on human lust, attraction, and intimate bonding for one of my anthroplogy classes. One of the topics discussed (both in her book and in my presentation) dealt with the roles that men and women play in generating attraction, and who actually initiates the attraction between a man and a woman. > > Without going into too much detail, she makes the point that while many men will note having created attraction when he makes a move on her,women will note having created attraction by sending the non-verbal signals that gets a mans attention and calls him to action. All of this was backed by studies and what not, and I wish I still had her book on me so I could post the findings, but oh well. > > Women rely on non-verbal communication much more so than men do, and are more able to read on non-verbal signs than most men. It is for this reason that sometimes men may come off as clueless when a woman is sending all of the right signals, or when some women say “I’m not ready for a relationship right now, maybe later” she really means “f\*ck off.” > > Now all of this is debatable of course, as each situation is different and this won’t always be the case. Ultimately, whether or not attraction is taken further is more a matter of a man’s actions, but because women seem so much more subtle than us men, learning to understand the nuances of nonverbal communication is vital (though reading too much it them can be disasterous). Learning to read a woman’s nonverbal cues, as well as being consciously aware of which one you’re sending, is a big, big leg up Yes, it is usually the woman who initiates, and it is usually subtle and designed to make him think he initiated. Since I learned to read body language, it’s like a 6th sense. The other day I was in Starbucks, and this hot woman at the table next to me was giving me every signal in the book for me to come say hello. Her body language actually told me a lot more: - She had no boyfriend or significant other; - She was a sensual, sexual, erotically inclined woman; - She was desperately in need of some sex; - She was shy and insecure about her looks; - She was desperately in need of sex; - She was definitely interested in me and me alone. Naturally, when I spoke to her, I blew it. But I didn’t blow it so bad that her body language and other responses didn’t tell me that she was hoping I would try again next time I saw her there. Women are very communicative creatures, if you know their language. The same day I got “I like you, come talk to me” from several other women in the same Starbucks, too. Not that I did, but you know. ---
**Author:** ![MHarris](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mharris/32/2107_2.png) [@MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MHarris)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2006, 6:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/relatively-new-to-pheromones-turn-up-the-heat/304/24 "2006-04-28T06:08:54Z")
Yes, I suppose you could view women’s _invitations to approach_ to approach as a form of “initiation”. However, men still have to remember to do what counts and to actually do the approaching. To say “Hello”, or you know, trip them and catch them. (a tease & rescue operation!) Without the man doing the overt, liminal approach, nothing is going to happen with most women. The only exception is with a woman so amped to find a new lover that day, that they’ll play the man’s role themselves just to get it over with. ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2006, 11:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/relatively-new-to-pheromones-turn-up-the-heat/304/25 "2006-04-30T11:33:47Z")
> [@MHarris](#): > > Yes, I suppose you could view women’s _invitations to approach_ to approach as a form of “initiation”. > > However, men still have to remember to do what counts and to actually do the approaching. To say “Hello”, or you know, trip them and catch them. (a tease & rescue operation!) > > Without the man doing the overt, liminal approach, nothing is going to happen with most women. The only exception is with a woman so amped to find a new lover that day, that they’ll play the man’s role themselves just to get it over with. I wish more women would do that. Whether or not they were looking for a lover. ---
**Author:** ![MHarris](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mharris/32/2107_2.png) [@MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MHarris)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2006, 7:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/relatively-new-to-pheromones-turn-up-the-heat/304/26 "2006-05-01T19:34:32Z")
> [@catlord17](#): > > I wish more women would do that. Whether or not they were looking for a lover. Women coming of age do it, too. Also, women who’s biological clocks are ticking. It is rare, though. I think the apparently biological requirement to almost always insist on men doing the OVERT initiating (i.e., the actual hello, and the actually asking out) is one of our remaining links to the animal world. In nature, males are UBER initiators – they’re ULTRA ALPHA compared to us. What would look like rape to us, is a Friday evening “date” to many a species! ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2006, 8:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/relatively-new-to-pheromones-turn-up-the-heat/304/27 "2006-05-01T20:35:08Z")
> [@MHarris](#): > > Women coming of age do it, too. > > Also, women who’s biological clocks are ticking. > > It is rare, though. > > I think the apparently biological requirement to almost always insist on men doing the OVERT initiating (i.e., the actual hello, and the actually asking out) is one of our remaining links to the animal world. > > In nature, males are UBER iniators – they’re ULTRA ALPHA compared to us. What would look like rape to us, is a “date” to many a species! It’s a wonder we exist at all, never mind have overgrown everything else but insects in population. ---
**Author:** ![PHERSURF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e9c0ed/32.png) [@PHERSURF](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PHERSURF)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2006, 4:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/relatively-new-to-pheromones-turn-up-the-heat/304/28 "2006-05-03T16:32:38Z")
> [@MHarris](#): > > I think the apparently biological requirement to almost always insist on men doing the OVERT initiating (i.e., the actual hello, and the actually asking out) is one of our remaining links to the animal world. > > In nature, males are UBER initiators – they’re ULTRA ALPHA compared to us. What would look like rape to us, is a Friday evening “date” to many a species! Absolutely! THe big mistake modern men make is forgetting that first and formost, humans are animals. Human mate choice is based on biological imparatives much older than culture and civilization. Men’s and women’s choices are based on looking for mates that display signals that indicate strong, healthy genes. Men’s choices are easy to figure out! Just look at actresses, pop stars, models, etc. You get the picture. While women are attracted by good looking men, they are much more attracted to alpha, high status, confident men. By high status I don’t mean outward signs of wealth, it’s more of an attitude of going through life not caring what others think, not being affected by women’s beauty, conveying that you’re the chooser not her, and most importantly, that you have a path in life and you won’t let her get in the way of your goals. And don’t start thinking “this one girl is different, she’ll see me for who I _really_ am if I’m nice to her” or “I won’t be one of those guys that comunicates I’m interested in her sexually, I’ll be a gentleman”. The part of her brain where attraction is created is not rational, she will not be attracted to “nice guy” or suplicating behavior. If you think this way, you’ll be the guy that she comes to complain to abut her jerk boyfreind! ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2006, 4:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/relatively-new-to-pheromones-turn-up-the-heat/304/29 "2006-05-07T04:39:36Z")
> [@PHERSURF](#): > > Absolutely! > > THe big mistake modern men make is forgetting that first and formost, humans are animals. Human mate choice is based on biological imparatives much older than culture and civilization. > > Men’s and women’s choices are based on looking for mates that display signals that indicate strong, healthy genes. > > Men’s choices are easy to figure out! Just look at actresses, pop stars, models, etc. You get the picture. > > While women are attracted by good looking men, they are much more attracted to alpha, high status, confident men. By high status I don’t mean outward signs of wealth, it’s more of an attitude of going through life not caring what others think, not being affected by women’s beauty, conveying that you’re the chooser not her, and most importantly, that you have a path in life and you won’t let her get in the way of your goals. > > And don’t start thinking “this one girl is different, she’ll see me for who I _really_ am if I’m nice to her” or “I won’t be one of those guys that comunicates I’m interested in her sexually, I’ll be a gentleman”. The part of her brain where attraction is created is not rational, she will not be attracted to “nice guy” or suplicating behavior. If you think this way, you’ll be the guy that she comes to complain to abut her jerk boyfreind! I have been putting this concept into practice for a while now, and I’m actually astounded at how well it works - even if she knows exactly what you’re doing. It’s kind of hard to believe my eyes and ears sometimes. ---
**Author:** ![Mtnjim](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mtnjim/32/2010_2.png) [@Mtnjim](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mtnjim)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2006, 6:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/relatively-new-to-pheromones-turn-up-the-heat/304/30 "2006-05-08T18:05:34Z")
As the man said: “Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac. Henry A. Kissinger” ---
**Author:** ![PHERSURF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e9c0ed/32.png) [@PHERSURF](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PHERSURF)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2006, 5:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/relatively-new-to-pheromones-turn-up-the-heat/304/31 "2006-05-10T17:43:49Z")
> [@catlord17](#): > > I have been putting this concept into practice for a while now, and I’m actually astounded at how well it works - even if she knows exactly what you’re doing. It’s kind of hard to believe my eyes and ears sometimes. You’ve discovered the wonders of the limbic system! The limbic system is the part of the brain where attraction happens (as well as other emotions). As men, we’ve all had the experience of having a hot woman barely enter our peripheral vision and before we’re even conscious of her, our head automatically swings around to look. There’s been experiments done where men view photos of women and before they’re even aware of “seeing” the photo, their limbic system already has increased activity. Women don’t have the same limbic activity based just on images. Obviously they are attracted to good looking men, but not at the same level as men. They are much more attracted to behaviors that convey status. Women’s limbic systems are stimulated when a man with the right kind of behaviors interacts with her. When the limbic system has a fight with the rational brain, the limbic system ALWAYS wins! How many women do you know who is dating a bad boy or a jerk that she knows is bad for her and will only end up hurting her. No matter how much her friends and relatives try to convince her to dump him, she won’t. This is her limbic sytem winning. ---
**Author:** ![JohnnieT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ce7236/32.png) [@JohnnieT](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/JohnnieT)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2006, 8:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/relatively-new-to-pheromones-turn-up-the-heat/304/32 "2006-05-10T20:11:15Z")
> [@JustMe](#): > > What can you guys tell me about TUTH? - Experiences? Hits? Best way to use? > > ALSO, how does it compare to alter ego, and how has AE worked for you? > > Thanks Hi JustMe. TUTH is high none.Like Catlord,I OD easily on none. AE is a good product.It’s none content is too high for me;maybe not for you.Two years ago,I used PI,many times.I had to use less than a drop.Even at that,women would mostly avoid me.However,when I did get a hit,it was all the way.It’s believed that women are attracted to none during ovulation(once every 28 days). I have AE/W(less none,more nol) in my arsenol.This works well,for me.I recently purchased A314 Mutant.My results have been remarkable.I’m really impressed.If theres any left,the A314 M. is a bargain.When mixed with AE,it should: synergize the AE , temper the none…and make her feel confident in your authority.After a year of platonic friendship,making a move is more difficult. However,for your own peace of mind,I suggest you make a move,soon.I also suggest using a quality cover scent.(eg:Guerlain,YSL,Creed ect.).Don’t smell like every other guy,on the block. Pherlure contains Di-DHEA.This compound is not a proven [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/),though some guys claim to have had good results with it.I had no hits using it.The smell is too intense and noxious,for me.It gives me a headache.Need I go on? ---
**Author:** ![JohnnieT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ce7236/32.png) [@JohnnieT](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/JohnnieT)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2006, 8:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/relatively-new-to-pheromones-turn-up-the-heat/304/33 "2006-05-10T20:44:33Z")
> [@tacitus](#): > > The mones have this other side effect… they seem to stimulate the user’s body to produce more B.O. substances. When use mones 1, my armpits can be overpowering and 2, my beard grows faster and the hair is denser… so I have to bathe and shave more… or be gross and bumlike.😛 Interesting, Tacitus. I’ve heard this before,although I havn’t experienced this effect.I think rone is closest in chemical structure,to the androgens. I’ve also known,some sophisticated women who are drawn,to the gross,bumlike,caveman type.🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Cloud9](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/cloud9/32/1736_2.png) [@Cloud9](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Cloud9)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2006, 12:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/relatively-new-to-pheromones-turn-up-the-heat/304/34 "2006-05-11T00:07:01Z")
For me 1 spray TUTH works well for me as long as I wear it with A314. I also like to throw in IO and IS to lighten and improve the mood. I generally reserve TUTH for night use, but if I know I’m going to be around someone I’m dating on a regular basis I try to figure out when her period is. I avoid using TUTH or any higher amounts of Anone during the week before and during her period. This is the time when women are generally most turned off to Anone or higher amounts anyway. I’ve truly seen sexual tension build when sitting or laying next to a girl im on a date with. They’ll either start chewing on their finger nails, get anxious or just outright grab me and kiss me. TUTH though is something I reserve for the nightlife or 2nd+ dates after comfort level has been built up and you want to turn up the sexual tension. I’ve pretty much found any more than 1 spray is aversive and makes men irritable. I’ve yet to try 2 sprays on a woman that I know responds well to it..I think less is more though with Anone. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/relatively-new-to-pheromones-turn-up-the-heat/304.md?page=1)