# Replacement for NPA? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [July 12, 2006, 12:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/replacement-for-npa/492 "2006-07-12T00:20:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Desk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a9a28c/32.png) [@Desk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Desk)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2006, 12:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/replacement-for-npa/492/1 "2006-07-12T00:20:50Z")
What product from Androtics would you recommend as a good replacement for NPA? ---
**Author:** ![sigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dec6dc/32.png) [@sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sigma)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2006, 1:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/replacement-for-npa/492/2 "2006-07-12T01:22:49Z")
TUTH would be the equivalent. Welcome! ---
**Author:** ![Desk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a9a28c/32.png) [@Desk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Desk)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2006, 2:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/replacement-for-npa/492/3 "2006-07-12T02:51:04Z")
Thank you! ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2006, 5:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/replacement-for-npa/492/4 "2006-07-12T05:02:48Z")
I believe [Raw Power](https://a314.com/product/raw-power/) was designed specifically to replace and improve upon Primal, but I don’t know how closely Primal compares to NPA. Just another possible option for you. ---
**Author:** ![sigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dec6dc/32.png) [@sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sigma)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2006, 5:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/replacement-for-npa/492/5 "2006-07-12T05:44:15Z")
Wow I hadn’t seen [Raw Power](https://a314.com/product/raw-power/) before. Though I use none very sparingly none, I do enjoy the benefits it provides. I’ve had moderate success with PI, and great success with high doses of NPA. Raw Power looks like its worth trying in my case. ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2006, 6:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/replacement-for-npa/492/6 "2006-07-12T06:56:58Z")
> [@sigma](#): > > Wow I hadn’t seen Raw Power before. Though I use none very sparingly none, I do enjoy the benefits it provides. I’ve had moderate success with PI, and great success with high doses of NPA. Raw Power looks like its worth trying in my case. Michael never does anything, it seems, that is not worthwhile. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Desk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a9a28c/32.png) [@Desk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Desk)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2006, 6:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/replacement-for-npa/492/7 "2006-07-12T18:22:05Z")
Does anyone have any experince with Raw? Also, is there anyone that have experience with NPA and TUTH, that can make a comparison of the two? ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2006, 3:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/replacement-for-npa/492/8 "2006-07-15T03:46:20Z")
What I would like to see is a new product that is overtly ‘sexual’ (NPA and TUTH obviously are) but **without any -None**. None certainly does raise the temperature but it brings with it it’s own baggage that may cause more problems then what the stuff is worth. I am thinking a combo of **aphrodisiac essential oils** (Sandalwood, Ylang Ylang, Patchouli, Oud/Agarwood/Aloeswood, Zdravetz, and even artificial Ambergris) with some of the **putatives** that may raise arousal in ladies (P79 may be such a mone from the [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/)-80 range while there may be some more in the new P81-88 range). Visionary ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2006, 6:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/replacement-for-npa/492/9 "2006-07-15T06:20:23Z")
> [@Socrates](#): > > What I would like to see is a new product that is overtly ‘sexual’ (NPA and TUTH obviously are) but **without any -None**. None certainly does raise the temperature but it brings with it it’s own baggage that may cause more problems then what the stuff is worth. > > I am thinking a combo of **aphrodisiac essential oils** (Sandalwood, Ylang Ylang, Patchouli, Oud/Agarwood/Aloeswood, Zdravetz, and even artificial Ambergris) with some of the **putatives** that may raise arousal in ladies (P79 may be such a mone from the P74-80 range while there may be some more in the new P81-88 range). > > Visionary Have you read the thread about Liquid Lust lately? lolI only have ylang ylang in mine, and no putatives that I know of, but it works, even with no 'none. ---
**Author:** ![itwow](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/itwow/32/1493_2.png) [@itwow](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/itwow)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2006, 11:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/replacement-for-npa/492/10 "2006-07-15T11:28:14Z")
> [@Socrates](#): > > What I would like to see is a new product that is overtly ‘sexual’ (NPA and TUTH obviously are) but **without any -None**. None certainly does raise the temperature but it brings with it it’s own baggage that may cause more problems then what the stuff is worth. > > I am thinking a combo of **aphrodisiac essential oils** (Sandalwood, Ylang Ylang, Patchouli, Oud/Agarwood/Aloeswood, Zdravetz, and even artificial Ambergris) with some of the **putatives** that may raise arousal in ladies (P79 may be such a mone from the P74-80 range while there may be some more in the new P81-88 range). > > Visionary I’m very new to EOs but from what I’ve tried to find out, some EOs (single notes) definitely give a satisfying twist when used together with a single [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/). **Sandalwood + androstenone** > [@](#): > > …I’m so impressed by this sandalwood that I’m affraid it will interfere with the phero. It is _so_ mystical that I can’t imagine someone being sexually attracted to that. It smells good but, how can I say…it’s impressive…you know, like who would want to fukk the high priest of the lost temple at the top of the montain ? > > Well… maybe for some kind of tantric sex or magic ritual… > > …I feel calm and powerful. I feel I could just look at someone I hate and he would bend straight to the ground right there and then. I feel I could be a protective angel or a wise advisor or a mage. I attribute most of this effect to the sandalwood/'none phero components. > > The EO makes a big difference that’s for sure. with this mix I feel the powerfull aura of the none heavy phero mix but without the “I’ll drive at 200mph and kill everybody on the road” effect… **Rose + ANOL** (maybe Peru Balsam or Cinnamon too) Different Rose EOs, each with a disntict scent - Rosa centifolia (Morocco/Turkey) - Rosa damascena (Bulgaria) - Rosa alba (White Rose from Bulgaria) - Rosa damascena (Turkey) Rose Absolutes smell like fresh roses while Rose Otto (EO) smell less “flowery”. Problem is finding good sources, preferably from the producing countries. > [@](#): > > …A while back I put up a post about the SP Rose oil. And how that smell on a man would make a woman think about love, Valentine’s day, etc. Well, the other day I picked up a 1/2oz. bottle of pure (Not the synthetic type) rose scented essential oil. So the next day I put a very slight amount on, and went to the mall. I got hits…believe it or not, there was absolutely NO pheros in it! I went to go buy a new pair of boots, and in the store were two females about 18-20 years old, I heard one girl say “Wow, that guy smells hot!” and the other responded “Yeah, he smells so f–king sexy!” Then, when going to my car, another girl about 25 years old says to her boyfriend or husband, etc “I smell roses, I love roses, how come you never buy me any!!!” I was pretty much shocked, since it was straight up essential oil. Wonder what the hits would have been with something like SOE would be like. LOL Anyway, I was the guinea pig for this one, and took one for the team. The oil that I got is REALLY strong, so very little is needed… > > … The thing that made me think about roses was that I was when I was driving to work in June, I saw a female about 20-25 years old walking with a bunch of long stem roses…this girl was atleast a 9.5 to 10 in looks. So when I saw her and the red roses, my brain kicked in…Red-Color of love, passion, heat, desire. Roses-a symbol of love, passion, desire, caring, devotion. Then I started to think to myself "If I was to smell like a rose, and a female smelt it, those things would come into mind, and when she has those thoughts in mind and sees me something may click… > > …Peru Balsam + Nol has given me SERIOUS results. I am talking about being grabbed in the lift!! (Latin term for Peru Balsam is “Myroxylon Pererae”… > > …Add a few drops of patchouli or benzoin to make the Rose scent last longer. Rose “absolute” probably has the best smell for the money. Chicks dig it… > > …Some perfume houses sell rose water (think it’s Rose hydrosol). I put it in an atomizer with the slightest bit of glycerin and spray a fine mist all over me just after a shower. My sweetie comes to the door, I open it, his head goes snaps back and he inhales deep, looks down at me and his face is just incandescent with delight. Works great and doesn’t cost much. Just so you all know rose oil is an aphrodisiac… > > …The effect of rose, like that of pheros, is viable at levels too low for conscious detection. Get a bottle of geranium rose (also called rose geranium) oil. Pick one that smells like roses. Mix the two oils in whatever ratio you are comfortable with (or can afford). Use the rose oil to scent your skin before an intimate encounter. Use the mix in your hot tub… > > … Rose + Sandalwood : Yes, It’s caller attar, and usually contains rosewater. Both patchouli and sandalwood are fixatives, patchouli being more powerful of a fixative. Incidentally, the baby powder scent everyone is raving about is mostly rose, with vanilla and a musk note… > > … What is this with women and cinnamon ? You’r the third woman, including my girlfriend suggesting me to use cinnamon in my aphrodisiac perfumes ! Re : There was a study somewhere that said it was aphrodesiacal for men, that’s why!.. > > …I’ve had great results with cinnamon + ANOL but it seems that I cannot avoid getting the redness and irritation on my skin so I had to stop using it. A shame cuz it was working. Be also aware that there’s two kind of cinnamon. The expensive one, the “true” cinnamon (Cinnarmomum zeylanicum) have a more complex smell. The cinnamon bark (Cinnamomum cassia) or false cinnamon is less expensive and have the typical cinnamon smell we’r all used to. That’s the most common one because of the lower price (about 1/2 the price) but it may not be the most interesting one for perfume making… > [@](#): > > Perfumetherapy consists in relying on your instinct, that’s to say your own nose. In perfumetherapy it is not the aromatic substance that reacts but it’s odor. > > The olfactory stimulus of particular smells activate determinate glands of the endocrine system, inducing them to produce the neurochemicals (adrenalin, endorphin, ecc…) which play an important role in regulating our physiological equilibrium (homeostasis). > > The extend of pleasure that smells can cause is determined by the balance of each person. If the hormones produced fill a gap, that’s to say act in a positive way to restore the homeostasis balance, then we will receive a pleasant feeling of well-being. > > The second way in witch our sense of smell stimulates a feeling of pleasure is indirect, through the awakening of our olfactory memories. In fact smell memory is very primordial. > > In it a particular smell is being associated with an emotional state in order to identify the smelling thing simply as “good” or “bad” for the proper survival. When an odor is smelled again after years, the olfactory memory activates the limbic system to make it reproduce with the neurochemicals the emotional state that accompanied the smell at that time. > > The emotional experience linked to odors is at the base of the learning process for all living organisms. Indeed they depend on it to such an extend for their survival that olfactory memories are passed on together with the genetic patrimony. Every living being possesses three types of smell memories; personal, cultural (territorial) and genetic. > > Perfumetherapy works through the use of olfactory archetypes that are imprinted in our genes such as smells of certain animal species, spices, citrus and flowers, to which we are programmed to respond with certain behaviors or physical reactions (think about the effect that lemon smell has on us). > > Perfumetherapy is in reality an extended application of psycho-aromatherapy and as a result helps to heal both the body and the mind, curing them with an infinite and personalized variety of pleasant olfactory emotions. ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2006, 5:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/replacement-for-npa/492/11 "2006-07-16T05:43:24Z")
> [@catlord17](#): > > Have you read the thread about Liquid Lust lately? lolI only have ylang ylang in mine, and no putatives that I know of, but it works, even with no 'none. Yes Catlord I have read the thread but it is a bit too long for me to read in detail with my ADD lol… I understand the Liquid Lust mix is based upon Copulins (EW) mixed with high-dose TAA(Instant Shine) and CTTM-M2? Now I have not had good luck at all wearing copulins around women (except for a butch probable lesbian boss). What intrigues me about the mix is the really high doses of CTTM-M2 and [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) you use (many multiple sprays at one go). Am I getting this right or can you give us a summary of the mixes? Visionary ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2006, 2:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/replacement-for-npa/492/12 "2006-07-17T02:46:40Z")
> [@Socrates](#): > > Yes Catlord I have read the thread but it is a bit too long for me to read in detail with my ADD lol… I understand the Liquid Lust mix is based upon Copulins (EW) mixed with high-dose TAA(Instant Shine) and CTTM-M2? Now I have not had good luck at all wearing copulins around women (except for a butch probable lesbian boss). What intrigues me about the mix is the really high doses of CTTM-M2 and Instant Shine you use (many multiple sprays at one go). Am I getting this right or can you give us a summary of the mixes? > > Visionary Liquid Lust relies on primarily CTTM2, [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/), and copulins. Seduction adds IFM and A314 to the mix. Mix 3 incorporates androstenone, as well. CTTM, IShine and Copulins seem to give very good, very fast responses as long as all of them are water and/or alcohol based. Have you tried copulins around a lot of women? ---
**Author:** ![itwow](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/itwow/32/1493_2.png) [@itwow](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/itwow)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2006, 7:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/replacement-for-npa/492/13 "2006-07-23T07:43:40Z")
Some of the LS vets have their firm suspicions NPA/m contains -none + A1 NPA/w contains -none + A1 + EST NPA/w is more sexually stimulating than NPA/m to both wearer & audience Pure -none products (PI, RM, Andro 4.2 etc) behaves differently than NPAs. ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2006, 1:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/replacement-for-npa/492/14 "2006-07-24T01:29:51Z")
> [@itwow](#): > > Some of the LS vets have their firm suspicions > > NPA/m contains -none + A1 > NPA/w contains -none + A1 + EST > > NPA/w is more sexually stimulating than NPA/m to both wearer & audience > Pure -none products (PI, RM, Andro 4.2 etc) behaves differently than NPAs. Weren’t the secret ingredients in NPA supposed to be things other than [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/)? ---
**Author:** ![itwow](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/itwow/32/1493_2.png) [@itwow](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/itwow)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2006, 10:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/replacement-for-npa/492/15 "2006-07-24T10:53:08Z")
> [@catlord17](#): > > Weren’t the secret ingredients in NPA supposed to be things other than pheromones? No idea. This wasn’t evident through my search at LS, but the previous info was echoed by long-standing vets there, including the sexually stimulating part. My own testing with NPA/w : - definitely more positive responses from the older females (\>38 y.o.) on most days @ 1-2 dabs - a handful of responses from younger females (22-32 y.o.), only on 2nd-3rd week of the month. 4-5 dabs of diluted NPA/w 1:5 You would identify NPA/w hits immediately as they are very distinct (& obvious) from other pheromones. The only issue is older women receptive to NPA/w does not respond to A1 and/or ANOL at all, while the younger ladies respond to A1/ANOL on most days but only to diluted NPA/w on those ovulating days. NPA/w also gives bad vibes to nearby males. Makes it hard to include NPA/w or -none into daily mixes, on top of build-up issues, if you’re not careful. If you have a fairly good idea of the ovulation days of the female, some planning of various pheromone usage could produce interesting results. (LH =\> Estradiol =\> Ovulation). Bear in mind, pheromones do kick-start earlier ovulation. The same combo just won’t work on the same female everyday of the month. Makes me wonder : do males (us) have hormone surge patterns or swings on a monthly basis? i2w ---
**Author:** ![Bunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Bunny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bunny)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2006, 11:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/replacement-for-npa/492/16 "2006-07-24T11:28:02Z")
..and then there are the women like me on Depo, who don’t have a cycle. At. All. Bear that in mind. A LOT of women over here in the UK, are on Depo rather than any other contraceptive method, as recent UK research shows it to be the best overall method, with the least side-effects. Especially for those over 30. On Depo you have no menstrual cycle, no PMS, no nothing, so you would be hard-pushed finding out when women on Depo are ovulating, since they themselves don’t have a clue! Every day of the month is the same for me in terms of emotions etc. You get used to it, and despite what some may think, the body does NOT have to have an active menstrual flow every month to stay healthy. Ail 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2006, 11:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/replacement-for-npa/492/17 "2006-07-24T11:57:02Z")
Glad I’m not relying on androstenone for my hits, then! lol ---
**Author:** ![tacitus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tacitus)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2006, 12:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/replacement-for-npa/492/18 "2006-07-24T12:33:48Z")
> [@Ail](#): > > ..and then there are the women like me on Depo, who don’t have a cycle. At. All. > > Bear that in mind. A LOT of women over here in the UK, are on Depo rather than any other contraceptive method, as recent UK research shows it to be the best overall method, with the least side-effects. Especially for those over 30. > Ail 🙂 That might explain why you don’t respond strongly to phromones… there was some discussion that women on hormonal b.c. are non-responsive… or perhaps reduced response or only respond to a limited number of them… IF the UK has a large Depo user population, a statistically significant number, that might reduce your chances of getting anything done over there vis a vis pheromones…😕 ---
**Author:** ![Bunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Bunny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bunny)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2006, 2:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/replacement-for-npa/492/19 "2006-07-24T14:00:18Z")
Err..I get AMAZING results from using pheromones, Tacitus. Amazing. I could not care less if I don’t get the effects on ME - trust me! As long as the target audience succumbs (and that has definitely been the case in all the time I have been a pheromone user - whether for social or sexual purposes) then that suits me just fine. Or maybe you mean guys using pheromones would have a hard time seducing women over here, because many of us are on Depo? No clue. I know of no men who use pheromones, since as I have stated before, they are a little-known entity over here, and it’s really just my own medical background that had me delving into the whole field in the first place. My 'mone usage is a closely-guarded secret, and it will stay that way. ^\_~ Ail 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![tacitus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tacitus)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2006, 4:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/replacement-for-npa/492/20 "2006-07-24T16:39:45Z")
> [@Ail](#): > > As long as the target audience succumbs (and that has definitely been the case in all the time I have been a pheromone user - whether for social or sexual purposes) then that suits me just fine. > > Or maybe you mean guys using pheromones would have a hard time seducing women over here, because many of us are on Depo? Yeah, I meant if a large number of women are Depo or other hormonal b.c. users, maybe that negates the value of pheromone use for men seeking women… or statistically reduces it… esp. if a significant number of sexually active women are using Depo in the U.K. … one might then experience less female reaction on a large number basis… 😕 [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/replacement-for-npa/492.md?page=2)