# Replacement for NPA? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [July 12, 2006, 12:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/replacement-for-npa/492 "2006-07-12T00:20:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![itwow](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/itwow/32/1493_2.png) [@itwow](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/itwow)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2006, 5:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/replacement-for-npa/492/21 "2006-07-24T17:35:32Z")
Hmm… Sandalwood does work for Caucasian females. I wore 5 drops PheroFragrance/m (Sandalwood) + half-a-drop A314 today, got a hit from a young Caucasian female (a first, she’s probably in early 20s, looks well-built, same height as me 5’9"). Thai ladies adore Sandalwood too but Chinese don’t (not a single hit today). ---
**Author:** ![nbully79](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c68b51/32.png) [@nbully79](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nbully79)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2006, 5:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/replacement-for-npa/492/22 "2006-07-24T17:55:06Z")
> [@itwow](#): > > You would identify NPA/w hits immediately as they are very distinct (& obvious) from other pheromones. > i2w Hey i2w, how are the hits different from NPA/m hits? Who are your targets? ---
**Author:** ![tacitus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tacitus)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2006, 6:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/replacement-for-npa/492/23 "2006-07-24T18:50:51Z")
Any comparisons with IMPI ? there’s been some buzz about good synergy between the Androtics family of mones and Impi… something in the secret herb ? NPA has, you could say, a reputation that goes both ways… the downside is excess macho competitiveness… although this could conceivably be sweetened with P74, alpha-nol ( good old original a-nol has been a staple of mine for warming up what might otherwise be too hard edged ) , or EST… or quieted with TAC… **passing note on P80 as a None substitution** , girl comes over to my place to work on a project, my jacket is hanging on the rack, had sprayed a full 100 mu of P80 on the jacket that morning… this was evening so maybe a residual was still active… we were really clicking, got down into the work, did much more and **“better quality effort”** then went out to dinner at a nice place and had a fantastic conversation (while I’m still wearing the jacket) … it was so natural there wasn’t a pheromone presence like can be screamingly obvious with excess beta-nol or too aroused to be for real like some of the sexo-combos… it was as if everything we did or talked about was just a degree deeper and a degree fuller than what we expected… leaving me with the thought that P80, if applied immediately before, might be doing the good thing around 5 mu ? Sure was a lot more compelling, socially, than androstenone… ---
**Author:** ![tacitus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tacitus)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2006, 6:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/replacement-for-npa/492/24 "2006-07-24T18:54:28Z")
> [@itwow](#): > > Thai ladies adore Sandalwood too but Chinese don’t (not a single hit today). Thai women are so… from another world… is it the millenia of Buddhism or what ? They are amazing listeners… to overgeneralize… ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2006, 9:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/replacement-for-npa/492/25 "2006-07-24T21:20:35Z")
> [@tacitus](#): > > Yeah, I meant if a large number of women are Depo or other hormonal b.c. users, maybe that negates the value of pheromone use for men seeking women… or statistically reduces it… esp. if a significant number of sexually active women are using Depo in the U.K. … one might then experience less female reaction on a large number basis… 😕 I haven’t noticed a difference between how women react to pheromones (issues of culture aside) in London vs US cities and various cities in Europe. [It would of course have to be a lot more significant than statistically for that to be the case]. Until Lor mentioned, I had never met or heard of a girl in my circle using Depo (even those who couldn’t tolerate the pill just used non-Depo alternatives), but that may be a very biased sample. I don’t think the pill stops mones being effective, although clearly it may modulate its effects. It would be v interesting to know how sensitivities to various pheromonal components evolve over the female cycle. (None is clear, but how about nol, rone, TAA and all the newer toys). If nothing else, it might give one an insight into why ms nature decided to put that brain circuit under pheromonal control. Speaking of which, would you care to share anything with regards to the effects of full moons and other astronomical phenomena (geogmagnetic storms, sunspots, …?) on female (male, animal?) sensitivity to 'mones. You mentioned on another thread, tacitus. ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2006, 8:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/replacement-for-npa/492/26 "2006-07-25T08:54:11Z")
> [@itwow](#): > > Some of the LS vets have their firm suspicions > > NPA/m contains -none + A1 > NPA/w contains -none + A1 + EST > > NPA/w is more sexually stimulating than NPA/m to both wearer & audience > Pure -none products (PI, RM, Andro 4.2 etc) behaves differently than NPAs. No sorry i2w no version of NPA contains any substantial A1 (I doubt they have any A1 at all). A1 makes women feel comfortable around the wearer, I have never ever felt anything like that kind of reaction from the two versions of the product. From what I remember the concensus was: NPA/m contains half -None and half 1 secret ingredient NPA/w contains a bit of -None and 2 secret ingredients One of the secret ingredients in NPA/w was thought to be Estratetraenol (aka E1/EST) because men felt a slight mood lift when wearing it similar to what they felt from wearing Realm/m (which of course contains minute amounts of E1). NPA/w is definitely not more sexually stimulating to wearer and audience. There were a few who said that NPA/w gave them sexual dreams and made them hot but the vast majority of people who tried NPA/w felt very little from it either in themselves or in their audience. On the other hand, most people who have tried it will say that NPA/m is **very** sexually arousing.🙂 Visionary ---
**Author:** ![Bunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Bunny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bunny)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2006, 11:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/replacement-for-npa/492/27 "2006-07-25T11:04:13Z")
Visionary, are you talking from the perspective of a male using NPA/W? I am assuming so, since I know that I have definitely had results using both NPA/W and the Edge - the former merely being a more concentrated version of the latter. It adds a VERY aggressive vibe to intimate encounters. Cannot vouch for men, but I definitely know myself and a good many other women at LS have had great sexual results using NPA/W. Ail 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![itwow](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/itwow/32/1493_2.png) [@itwow](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/itwow)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2006, 1:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/replacement-for-npa/492/28 "2006-07-25T13:57:56Z")
> [@tacitus](#): > > Thai women are so… from another world… is it the millenia of Buddhism or what ? They are amazing listeners… to overgeneralize… Most Thais are polite, patient & strive to accommodate everyone. The underlying principle is “to save face” for everybody. Some Thai males do have a hidden grudge towards foreign males, so beware… There’s this forum that discusses the adventure & pitfalls of farangs in Thailand… think it was stickmanbangkok-.-com Insightful read for 1st/old timers in Thailand. ---
**Author:** ![tacitus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tacitus)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2006, 4:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/replacement-for-npa/492/29 "2006-07-25T16:50:20Z")
> [@itwow](#): > > Some Thai males do have a hidden grudge towards foreign males, so beware… This problem is seriously universal… so many times when I’ve been travelling to foreign countries and tried my level best to have enough language that it at least appeared that I was making the effort, learned enough of the local values, and tried to be appreciative of their p.o.v. , and I’d see these gawdawful nortemaricanos, my countryfolk, feel like being in Mexico was like some kind of ticket to act like the biggest flaming assholes like they would never dare back in the USA, or in Indonesia it was this way with Austalians… I immediately recognized the gringo-mexican dynamic between the aussies and the balinese… anybody with a head on their shoulders could see how much they detested the aussies but were dependent on their money and loathed them down to their bones while they brought them their beers and satays… how effing hard is it to drop the arrogant shit, learn a small functional vocabulary, show some friggin’ respect, see them as people and not as servant monkeys ? There’s no question in my mind where this head about foeigners comes from. ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2006, 8:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/replacement-for-npa/492/30 "2006-07-26T08:21:00Z")
> [@Ail](#): > > Visionary, are you talking from the perspective of a male using NPA/W? > > I am assuming so, since I know that I have definitely had results using both NPA/W and the Edge - the former merely being a more concentrated version of the latter. > > It adds a VERY aggressive vibe to intimate encounters. > > Cannot vouch for men, but I definitely know myself and a good many other women at LS have had great sexual results using NPA/W. > > Ail 🙂 Yes Ail I am talking about males wearing NPA/w and Edge/w. I have worn both products quite often and felt they added nothing in a sexual way even to intimate encounters. Only I positive I felt from the products was that it made a combo with WAGG a bit more ‘interesting’ and ‘fun’. But thanks for the headsup about your positive experiences with the Lacroy womens’ products! Have you noticed women reacting to them in any way (I know most products don’t affect you)? Visionary ---
**Author:** ![tacitus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tacitus)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2006, 6:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/replacement-for-npa/492/31 "2006-07-26T18:00:16Z")
> [@Socrates](#): > > Yes Ail I am talking about males wearing NPA/w and Edge/w. I have worn both products quite often and felt they added nothing in a sexual way even to intimate encounters. Only I positive I felt from the products was that it made a combo with WAGG a bit more ‘interesting’ and ‘fun’. > Visionary Maybe too much EST was lowering the intensity… you want good simple raw sex ? A modicum of high purity androstenone, a medium lot of old type alpha-androstenol, and a touch of -rone… that’s all you need unless you want to add “flavors”, like TAH, P79, P80, A1… right now I’m thinking a touch of P80 is a very good flavor indeed, like a touch of bitter orange in dark chocolate… 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2006, 8:19am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/replacement-for-npa/492/32 "2006-07-27T08:19:03Z")
> [@tacitus](#): > > Maybe too much EST was lowering the intensity… you want good simple raw sex ? A modicum of high purity androstenone, a medium lot of old type alpha-androstenol, and a touch of -rone… that’s all you need unless you want to add “flavors”, like TAH, P79, P80, A1… right now I’m thinking a touch of P80 is a very good flavor indeed, like a touch of bitter orange in dark chocolate… 😉 Yes thanks but I hate the effects of Androstenone, even in low amounts. I have the lone wolf/client eastwood effect going so people become generally more distant when I wear -None although occassionally I will run into a girl who will just want me for ‘fun’ which is not what I really want either. I would prefer to find something which ‘turns up the heat/arousal’ but without ANY -None. P79 I am thinking is something which might help in that regard without all the baggage of -None products. There may be others in the series of putatives too - who knows right? Visionary ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2006, 11:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/replacement-for-npa/492/33 "2006-07-27T11:23:45Z")
> [@Socrates](#): > > Yes thanks but I hate the effects of Androstenone, even in low amounts. I have the lone wolf/client eastwood effect going so people become generally more distant when I wear -None although occassionally I will run into a girl who will just want me for ‘fun’ which is not what I really want either. I would prefer to find something which ‘turns up the heat/arousal’ but without ANY -None. P79 I am thinking is something which might help in that regard without all the baggage of -None products. There may be others in the series of putatives too - who knows right? > > Visionary I’m about in the same boat. Aside from copulins, I haven’t found much that does the trick. I am experimenting with TAL/TAH right now, but for me, that combo seems more soft and romantic than sexual. ---
**Author:** ![Rob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/838e76/32.png) [@Rob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rob)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2006, 12:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/replacement-for-npa/492/34 "2006-07-27T12:54:21Z")
You guys seem so hung up on wanting a big “relationship.” No big deal and that is cool… but it is human nature to want to “have fun” and nothing will come unless you have fun first. If you provide enough fun, then the chick would be willing to do alittle more than just have fun. Its like when you have mind-blowing sex with a chick, they magically muster up the desire to stick around. ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2006, 7:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/replacement-for-npa/492/35 "2006-07-27T19:21:57Z")
> [@Rob](#): > > You guys seem so hung up on wanting a big “relationship.” No big deal and that is cool… but it is human nature to want to “have fun” and nothing will come unless you have fun first. If you provide enough fun, then the chick would be willing to do alittle more than just have fun. Its like when you have mind-blowing sex with a chick, they magically muster up the desire to stick around. That’s exactly what I have concluded. A good way way to get a woman to like you is to make her feel good when she’s with you. Whether it’s from fascinating conversation, exciting adventure, great sex, or whatever. Everything else will come from there, if it’s going to. Unless you manage to find “love at first sight”. But I suspect that’s rare at best, because if it exists, it’s probably soul mates, which aren’t very common. By the way, I’m not hung on having a big relationship myself. I’m just trying to find something that can replace androstenone as being very sexual in nature. ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2006, 9:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/replacement-for-npa/492/36 "2006-07-28T09:41:35Z")
> [@Rob](#): > > You guys seem so hung up on wanting a big “relationship.” No big deal and that is cool… but it is human nature to want to “have fun” and nothing will come unless you have fun first. If you provide enough fun, then the chick would be willing to do alittle more than just have fun. Its like when you have mind-blowing sex with a chick, they magically muster up the desire to stick around. Well I do not want necessarily a ‘big relationship’ but rather I want to connect long-term with quality girls - so that we have a friendship going as well as maybe something sexual. Not really into long term gf or whatever just people who are interested in hanging out even. I find when I wear -None, no matter how much ‘fun’ is had, it seems to consistently freak them out from any kind of a ‘friendship’ with me and only thing that maybe happens with some of them is really just physical. For the occassional extra action it might give me, the stuff just is not worth wearing for all the problems it creates and relationships with people it helps to destroy for me. That is why I like Catlord am looking for something which ‘turns up the heat’ but without the drawbacks of -None. Visionary ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2006, 2:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/replacement-for-npa/492/37 "2006-07-28T14:40:44Z")
> [@Socrates](#): > > Well I do not want necessarily a ‘big relationship’ but rather I want to connect long-term with quality girls - so that we have a friendship going as well as maybe something sexual. Not really into long term gf or whatever just people who are interested in hanging out even. > > I find when I wear -None, no matter how much ‘fun’ is had, it seems to consistently freak them out from any kind of a ‘friendship’ with me and only thing that maybe happens with some of them is really just physical. For the occassional extra action it might give me, the stuff just is not worth wearing for all the problems it creates and relationships with people it helps to destroy for me. > > That is why I like Catlord am looking for something which ‘turns up the heat’ but without the drawbacks of -None. > > Visionary im not sure if your open to a gals perspective, so i’ll try to keep it short. 'none is harsh, alot of us have determined its best at an extreme minimum,if at all. and we know mones dont do the work, they only accentuate/add-to. i like attention from females as well as males, so my perspective is this: wear 'mones that are less about her wanting sex,more about her feeling sexy. i cant speak for all, but when a gal _feels_ sexy, she is much more likely to act on it…behaving how she feels usually starts the domino effect. another reason is that the more positive reinforcemant she gets hanging out with you the more she’ll want to. i know you would want to spend time with the gal that made you feel like the hottest man ever as opposed to the one that makes you feel inadequate. thats just an example. on that note, my guess would be to experiment with what makes you feel good /badass( IShine,whatever) and pair that up with something that makes her feel good ( IFM, whatever) . keep in mind,too, that we are all accustomed to 'mones, and that alot of the 'mones in the strength added to our own chemistry here are going to be alot for someone NOT accustomed…they may be sexually enhansive to someone else not used to the amounts we use here, i.e.. ive been told i smell _bad_ before. OD, prolly on 'nol conversion ( i wore alot of the 'nol and TE when first experimenting ) so 'none is not my friend,LOL! ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2006, 3:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/replacement-for-npa/492/38 "2006-07-28T15:14:16Z")
> [@catlord17](#): > > I’m just **trying to find something that can replace androstenone** as being **very sexual** in nature. Go ahead … make my day! 😠 Make me eat my words … but, that’ll be the day! 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![tacitus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tacitus)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2006, 4:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/replacement-for-npa/492/39 "2006-07-29T04:13:02Z")
When it comes to raw sex, androstenone still rules having said that, androstenone and some of the putatives aren’t all that desirable for most other interactions… and a certain percentage of the population is highly sensitive to the odor of androstenone and is repulsed by it… at levels that I cannot smell…good advice is to have your -none handy for when you need it, have something else for your social efforts… As for raw sex and all that merriment… a good shot of TAA, 100 mu is fine, and a good shot of [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/), another 100 mu, and some alpha-nol can let you get away with simply obscene levels of androstenone in sexuous contexts which will have lots of empathy and feeling and touchyness and raw uninhibited 5 thrusts per second ass slapping bunni rabbit go go go sex too… ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2006, 4:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/replacement-for-npa/492/40 "2006-07-29T04:33:27Z")
> [@tacitus](#): > > having said that, **androstenone and some of the putatives aren’t all that desirable for most other interactions** … and a certain percentage of the population is highly sensitive to the odor of androstenone and is repulsed by it… at levels that I cannot smell… **good advice is to have your -none handy for when you need it** , **have something else for your social efforts** … > > As for raw sex and all that merriment… a good shot of TAA, 100 mu is fine, and a good shot of P74, another 100 mu, and some alpha-nol can let you get away with simply obscene levels of androstenone in sexuous contexts which will have lots of empathy and feeling and touchyness and raw uninhibited 5 thrusts per second ass slapping bunni rabbit go go go sex too… T, I am definitely lightyears out of your league … you sure you’re not MHarris? :o Everybody else, I hope you took notes, and if you got the important points from his post, that in bold should be on your sheet of paper. You will be tested! 😮 [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/replacement-for-npa/492.md?page=1) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/replacement-for-npa/492.md?page=3)