# Replacing AndrosteNone with regard to Attraction, Phase Shifting, and Lust Enhancing **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [January 27, 2008, 3:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/replacing-androstenone-with-regard-to-attraction-phase-shifting-and-lust-enhancing/8664 "2008-01-27T03:35:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 13
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2008, 11:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/replacing-androstenone-with-regard-to-attraction-phase-shifting-and-lust-enhancing/8664/13 "2008-01-31T11:13:00Z")
Quote: Originally Posted by Scaro I don’t know why there isn’t any talk about finding a good p83 / -none ratio. MHarris referred to the Androsterone/none ratio he developed as his secret golden ratio that was the heart of A314 - one which he wasn’t about to reveal. I’ve been trying to buy p83 for a while now and everytime it is sold out or I would have already begun testing p83 /none ratios. It seems to me that from all the descriptions it would be a winner. Perhaps 3 or 4 parts p83 to 1 part none? You’d have to play around with it, but from all the descriptions of p83 being a passive pheromone enhancing what is there, I figure a small part none (VERY active pheromone) might work rather synergisticly. I don’t think there’s ever going to be a good none replacement, but maybe with something likep83 /none you would be able to keep the amount of -none relatively low. Has anyone done any experiments like this? Yes like I mentioned before, not to mention the aggression that both molecules can bring out, one would have to be very mindful of the difference in diffusion rates between P83 and Androstenone if one was to use them together. P83 seems to be inconsistent from the reports below in terms of duration of effects - sometimes its effects leave within an hour and other times it seems to last longer (even up to 4 hours). On the other hand Androstenone can last for more than a day on the skin. I think the correct strategy for combining the two would be to use one shot of Androstenone daily (in whatever dosage level you want to test) and keep adding P83 every few hours… P83 duration of effects > [@King of the world mix: how MX147 kept a heavily sexual mix social and open](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/king-of-the-world-mix/1454/4): > > oh no it was of an “oOoh I love it”. people tend to communicate in fewer words when they’re drunk lol. As far as the putatives go, I’ve gotten a fairly good handle on P79, but I’m trying to learn how to use P83. I seem to OD with P83 at anything above 25mcg, and it causes me to feel pretty aggitated…it fades within about an hour, so I’m thinking its a pretty fast diffusing pheromone. There’s defiantely an aggressiveness to P83…it isn’t really none-like, but high dose none+ high dose P83 defina… Sigma (January 22, 2007): “…As far as the putatives go, I’ve gotten a fairly good handle on P79, but I’m trying to learn how to useP83. I seem to OD with P83 at anything above 25mcg, and it causes me to feel pretty aggitated…it fades within about an hour, so I’m thinking its a pretty fast diffusing pheromone. There’s defiantely an aggressiveness to P83…it isn’t really none-like, but high dose none+ high dose P83 definately doesn’t work out. Might work better with P79…” 1 week of p83 MarkL (March 11, 2007): “2.5 mu P83 I applied to chin and inhaled during the spray. Just one spray over a mostly depleted base of A314 mutant and [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/). After about ten minutes, I started making the small muscular adjustments that remind me of trying to clear my sinuses and nasal passages when taking off in an airplane. Except I was flexing and extending my temporoparietal muscles, the auriculares .. and some of the jaw and throat muscles as well: clearing my ears. The next few hours riding around the city on buses and trains I was attuned to the sounds around me. Perhaps it was a shift in attention, or perhaps a real ratchet in auditory capacity – I was able to get a sense of the tone of people around me who were conversing, even when they spoke at a murmur (or I felt I did!) I seemed to have an empathetic understanding of their … “vocal intent”, if that makes any sense…” > [@My latest results of P83, disturbia, dementia, erotica!](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-latest-results-of-p83-disturbia-dementia-erotica/5792/19): > > I answered your questions in the quotes above in green. Thanks for the rep. As far as the agitation side I have noticed apprehension in some instances, but not outright aggression. However, that being said, the managers daughter employee did strike me. I’m not sure if that can be taken in the context of aggression from the [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/), or another theory I have been going over is maybe because I wasn’t paying her any attention she became upset. It really has me thinking about it and why she was so angr… SteveO (October 2, 2007): “…I’ve seen this one [P83], when I initially try it deplete itself rather quickly, especially when I mix it with other products. Only sometimes though, and thats the peculiar thing, I can’t quite pin the effects down to a specific time. This report is based on an entire day with only a small re-application and that application was in my Jeep with the windows down for the ride to BuckyStars and the wind blowing in my face for a good fifteen minutes. There are sometimes when it seems as if it lasts a very lengthy time and other times when I’m like what the heck just happened, why did this just wear out like it did? I am definitely going to keep more accurate control notes in my journal including temperatures, humidity levels, outside exposure times, and the likes. I can’t seem to find that one constant that makes it stable sometimes. Most of the BuckyStars time was spent outside, in temps around 75 degrees and I’d say inside was about the same…” > [@My latest results of P83, disturbia, dementia, erotica!](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/my-latest-results-of-p83-disturbia-dementia-erotica/5792/31): > > same for me… yes… been using [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) in an acting class and that has been my experience (although it was used together with P74 and my base mix). I will try wearing P83 alone one or two days and see if this is true. yes! PheroQuirk (October 3, 2007): “Quote: Originally Posted by Socrates Yes steve, I am not that sure about how long the P83 lasts. Sometimes, it did seem to have effects even after a solid few hours for me. Other times the effects did seem to go quite quickly same for me…” > [@P83 as a way of further increasing A314's potential gains in Personal Power](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-as-a-way-of-further-increasing-a314s-potential-gains-in-personal-power/7367): > > Has anyone tried P83 specifically for the ‘increased focus on the wearer’/auditory sensitivity/‘energy sensitivity agent’ effect (okay its hard to understand I think). I would think it would be useful when wanting to convince others, when wanting to sell something to them (even an idea), and when wanting others to be further focused on your A314 presence. I am not talking about the ‘sexual’ type hits that this putative can bring with it but rather flat out using it as a way to further increase … Capone (December 18, 2007): “…I always sprayed the mix half an hour before needed so I must say those big effects [from the P83] and girl hit were in the 2hours barrier, in fact into the first hour.” `http://www.pheromonetalk.com/mens-pheromone-advice-tricks-tips/worth-wait-im-testing-p83-7024.html#post72887` mako (November 7, 2007): “1 day of testing p83 regular strength. To go bottle Scent. unscented Day 1. 2 sprays, 2 to neck… Duration of effect 4 hours. (may last longer, don’t know. i was out side in the cold)” `http://www.pheromonetalk.com/mens-pheromone-advice-tricks-tips/worth-wait-im-testing-p83-7024.html#post73112` mako (November 8, 2007): “2nd day of testing p83 regular strength. To go bottle Scent. unscented Day 2. 2 sprays, 2 to neck Enviroment. Outside… Duration of effect 4 hours. (may last longer, don’t know. i was out side in the cold)” > [@Somebody stop me! A girl OD on P83?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/somebody-stop-me-a-girl-od-on-p83/8508/15): > > 50 MCG P83 Short Review 10 sprays of P83 5mcg to hair and cleavage equaling 50 mcg, topped up several times. Duration: Approximately 3-4 hours. Self effects: Strong. Smiling and self indulgence. Effects on others: Women somewhat affected. Men responded mostly to self effects. Worn at home, car, work, restaurant, and mall. Detailed Review Singing Dancing Girl I was brave and wore 10 sprays, topped up throughout the day. No other [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/). At first I put the P83 on a kleenex as planned. … Kitten (January 2008): “50 MCGP83 Short Review 10 sprays of P83 5mcg to hair and cleavage equaling 50 mcg, topped up several times. Duration: Approximately 3-4 hours…” Androstenone duration of effects > [@New Product Launch: RAW Power - 39.97 - Goodbye Primal!](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/new-product-launch-raw-power-39-97-goodbye-primal/38/32): > > Welcome to the forum! Well, you get 10mcg of -none per drop, with up to a 5% margin of error (if you work out the numbers, this really isn’t so bad - you’re talking 9.5mcg to 10.5mcg per drop). It’s a little more diffusive that some oil products you may have used. I do add some diffusion enhancers, to ensure a “cleaner, fuller burn” of the androstenone. I’ll get into -none diffusion issues in a moment. While I have great respect for some companies such as LaCroy, I’m not sure some other com… MHarris (February 13, 2006): “…You know how superglue just loves your skin more than anything else on earth? Androstenone is very similar. It has a high “affinity” for the skin, and hangs onto you like spiderman. It doesn’t like jumping ship from your skin to the air around you (diffusing). You could say thatandrostenone loves to “hang out” and hates to go. The idea of “buildup” is very real with androstenone, both in terms of what happens on your skin… and under, when some of the -none absorbs. It can literally sit around happily on your skin for 3 days or more without completing diffusing. We already have some additives from the fragrance industry that help with diffusion, both in our oil and spray line, but I think there’s still aways to go with -none. Ultimately, I hope to hire a chemical physicist that can work out the androstenone diffusion problem better. Until then, that’s another reason why dosing is extra critical. It’s not a perfect solution, but with dosing, you can at least get a sense for and work WITH your buildup… your own ebb and flow of androstenone. If you wear 15mcg of -none one day, it’s likely you may need only (as an example) 10mcg the next, depending upon what your body chemistry does to the -none. The third day, you may need only 5mcg. Fourth day, you take a break. It helps a great deal if you learn to smell androstenone (most people can learn). That way you can better determine how long it literally “sticks around”, and how much you need for the effects you want.” > [@Raw Power vs. androstenone spray](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/raw-power-vs-androstenone-spray/157/2): > > Raw Power has a couple of diffusion enhancers that do bring out the natural androstenone odor a little more (to those who can smell it), but otherwise, it’s unscented. Sprays, especially high volume sprays like the ones we use, almost always diffuse [pheromones](https://a314.com/) better than point application products. Visualize the androstenone molecules, if you will. With a typical oil, you’re applying a dot and spread it over a limited area. You’re stacking the androstenone molecules high, one on top of each… MHarris (February 21, 2006): “…Visualize the androstenone molecules, if you will. With a typical oil, you’re applying a dot and spread it over a limited area. You’re stacking theandrostenone molecules high, one on top of each other. With a high-volume spray, you’re spreading a fine layer across a larger area of skin. The skin is the heated surface who’s job is to help diffuse molecules on it’s surface. The more you stack molecules, the less they heat up and diffuse… especially androstenone, which has a high affinity for the skin, and for other androstenone molecule. It loves to hold on, and NOT diffuse. As a metaphor, think of an imaginary tall pot of water with very little width or length, more like a tall glass of water than a pot. Very little bottom to touch the heated surface area of a stove. This is similar to point application style products, such the oil and alcohol based ones that use droppers. Contrast that to a big, wide pot, that’s short. Lots of area to make contact with the heat source, and a big wide mouth with lots of surface area to release steam from. A big wide pan like this would be more akin to a spray product. The more surface area you cover, the faster and easier it is to heat up the pheromone molecules. You also have more area to diffuse from. Two pluses in terms of diffusion. Where point applied oil based products really shine is in warm weather. Your body is virtually a diffusion machine when it gets hot out, and it’s nice to have the rate limiting effect of oil products at that time. The other area where oils sometimes shine is with molecules that tend to diffuse quickly on their own.Unlike androstenone, which can stick to the skin for days, alpha androstenol diffuses very quickly in comparison. It’s fleeting and can benefit from oil application…” > [@what is in 'Come Talk To Me '?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-is-in-come-talk-to-me/213/14): > > Out of the androstenols, most people prefer more alpha-nol for “dates”, than beta-nols. Dates being sort of care-free fun, light activities. Beta-nol is more the stuff of relationships… mental bonding. You’ll learn a lot about each other when you wear it, but necessarily physically. Because almost ALL women respond positively to “A1”, whereas a much smaller percentage respond positively to androstenone (but when they do – oh boy, watch out!). It’s more of a “sure thing”, and if you have any … MHarris (March 21, 2006): “…It’s a very fleeting, diffusive molecule that doesn’t stick around as long as -none. (actually, nothing clings to the skin as long as androstenone – it can adhere and leave a residue for days)” --- _[View the full topic](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/replacing-androstenone-with-regard-to-attraction-phase-shifting-and-lust-enhancing/8664)._