# Replacing AndrosteNone with regard to Attraction, Phase Shifting, and Lust Enhancing

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**Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\
**Created:** [January 27, 2008, 3:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/replacing-androstenone-with-regard-to-attraction-phase-shifting-and-lust-enhancing/8664 "2008-01-27T03:35:15Z")\
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**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\
**Post date:** [January 27, 2008, 4:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/replacing-androstenone-with-regard-to-attraction-phase-shifting-and-lust-enhancing/8664/2 "2008-01-27T04:01:19Z")

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Because of all the hassles it can cause, people have talked about replacing AndrosteNone with something else for a long time (I can definitely see why 😉 ).

Just recently there has been mention that P83 could be some kind of replacement for AndrosteNone with less hassles (see [P83, a compilation: including 'sexual/erotic' effects](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p83-a-compilation-including-sexual-erotic-effects/5789) for some earlier posts on the matter). Previously there was mention that P79 might be similar to AndrosteNone in some ways as well. P93 was another one that might have given off a ‘slightly sexual vibe’ for some: see toilofday’s posts in [P93's 'uplifting' effects on women](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p93s-uplifting-effects-on-women/4865) for example. Then there is TAF which might have certain erotic properties of its own (see [TAF's 'erotic' properties: collected member quotes and a TUTH, TAF, P96 date mix](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/erotic-properties-of-taf/4640)).

A314, probably the main other ‘Alpha male vibe’ alternative to AndrosteNone, as well as other high AndrosteRone products have been talked about as well for giving a masculine alternative to Androstenone: see [Evolutionary psychology: -Rone men and -None Men](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/evolutionary-psychology-rone-men-and-none-men/19) for a comparison between these two ‘primary’ masculine [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) and what they represent.

TAL and products that contain high levels of this molecule within them have been talked about as making women more ‘direct’ which could be of use in replacing some of the effects of AndrosteNone with regard to ‘closing/escalation/phase shifting’.

With regard to ‘passion/lust enhancing’ and even adding a sexual spark when ‘phase shifting’, a number of essential oils could help in this regard with the one that I am most interested in being the high-Cinnamon Twilight Alchemy Labs’ product, ‘Caliph’s Beloved’: see [Twilight Alchemy Lab's 'Caliph's Beloved'](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/twilight-alchemy-labs-caliphs-beloved/4510)

Then there is P75 and P76 which have been talked about as being similar to AndrosteNone as well but have turned out to be not particularly powerful in every day situations (though they may turn out to be great for ‘lust/passion’ enhancing): see [P75 ... Oi!!! - #26 by Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p75-oi/328/26) and  
[Putatives 75-77](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/putatives-75-77/5604).

**What are other people’s thoughts on what alternatives there are with regard to the three main things that AndrosteNone is best at doing?**

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