# Report on P86 **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [December 2, 2014, 2:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/report-on-p86/63385 "2014-12-02T14:50:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![examine](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/examine/32/1665_2.png) [@examine](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/examine)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2014, 5:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/report-on-p86/63385/21 "2014-12-06T17:17:28Z")
> [@monesmadedoit](#): > > I should only add that due to genetic factors (proven polymorphisms in Japanese, ubiquitous nucleotide differences globally, diverse olfactory gene expression), I think it is scientifically improbable that any one persons testing in any one city will be the same elsewhere. Some mones are highly lipophilic. Something simple as how clean your skin is matters. . cant tell if trying to debunk mones in general or not. lol. ---
**Author:** ![GorchFock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/90ced4/32.png) [@GorchFock](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/GorchFock)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2014, 5:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/report-on-p86/63385/22 "2014-12-06T17:40:23Z")
> [@examine](#): > > cant tell if trying to debunk mones in general or not. lol. Certainly not. He knows very well that mones work -and that a lot of factors are involved in the “how”. That’s why there are consumer line products. They are tried and true and have guidelines in how, when and how much to use to achieve their spectrum of action. ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2014, 6:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/report-on-p86/63385/23 "2014-12-06T18:31:09Z")
To be clear, I like examine and paradox reports. I am saying that due to genetic reasons there is not and never will be a worlds best tester. My results as a white man in FL will not be the same as a black man in Tokyo. Many guests reading this are intimidated by the tone of this thread. They dont want to write or become customers because they feel that as newbies they wont be respected. I love mones and use them daily. Japanese do not have the SNP for -enone production. Gorch as a vet can better explain relevance to animal kingdom. There is no best tester. Meaning no disrespect, it is junk science. Most people never read this, which is itself a problem. [Single-nucleotide polymorphism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-nucleotide_polymorphism) [Junk science - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junk_science) [Polymorphism (biology) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polymorphism_%28biology%29) I have asked Brian to launch some advanced blind test experiments with placebo controls. And then release the results after an embargo. Then we have proof of testing skill or lack thereof. I have heard “experts” and now vendors say [MX297](https://a314.com/product/mx297/) is like P91 and TAH. 91 and TAH are very different. But if any man here thinks TAH and 91 are the same, I will listen. That is why I don’t trust “experts” without science credentials. I can spot TAH and P91 at 10 mcg in a blind test. Pretty sure about that one. TAH is the Marilyn Monroe mone. I really doubt Kimba would have been wild for 297 if it was some girly mones. And when I read those two reports I cant tell whether it is just silly or incompetent. Why I really don’t like that vendor. I do not like people who play tricky games. Another dumb ass joke report of his I wasted my time reading. Not P51. 51 is a pretty straight shooter. [Oh you sneaky little Devil: An interesting P83 / P74 / P91 observation](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/oh-you-sneaky-little-devil-an-interesting-p83-p74-p91-observation/50284) > [@Going over MX297 again](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/going-over-mx297-again/44153): > > I went over and ran through my old reports and personal notes and did some more testing of [MX297](https://a314.com/product/mx297/) to double check something about what Steve said and what other users have been seemingly noticing more and more, and these are my findings. I get where he’s coming from but I think users might have took it a bit out of context or too literal. I know he doesn’t like it and it could be because of the effects it has. The overtly social and likeable vibe that most of us liked about MX297, I believe was … **“I used to _make up_ some outrageous claims with some molecules just to see how many others would follow suit. It became kind of a game with some of us.” - S. O.** ---
**Author:** ![examine](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/examine/32/1665_2.png) [@examine](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/examine)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2014, 12:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/report-on-p86/63385/24 "2014-12-08T00:55:47Z")
ok so basically you mean dosage wise not mone wise. that makes more sense. your analogy for white man in america vs black man in japan makes sense in that instance. I am half black half norwegian. I am a lot more -none cautious than a chinese man in tokyo. but lets not act like P86 will ACT different. Or any mone. The only thing that SHOULD happen is the dosage will be different for us. I may be more sensitive to the dosage than the OP. meaning 5mcg for me is like 10mcg for him. Its not about the character of the dosage being completely different its just the dosage. ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2014, 4:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/report-on-p86/63385/25 "2014-12-08T04:34:54Z")
Your P86 experience in Asia should be interesting! ---
**Author:** ![Brian\_F](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/brian_f/32/1573_2.png) [@Brian\_F](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Brian_F)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2014, 8:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/report-on-p86/63385/26 "2014-12-08T08:00:42Z")
> [@monesmadedoit](#): > > Why I really don’t like that vendor. I do not like people who play tricky games. Another dumb ass joke report of his I wasted my time reading. Not P51. 51 is a pretty straight shooter. Please keep conversation polite and P86 focused. No personal attacks here, please. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![paradox1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/paradox1/32/1196_2.png) [@paradox1](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/paradox1)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2014, 6:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/report-on-p86/63385/27 "2014-12-08T18:00:50Z")
I tried P86 at half a spray (.312 mcg’s). Not sure of the dosage. Don’t know if it was a half spray or 3/4 spray. Hard to tell. The results were inconclusive. I don’t particularly like one day testing. I’d rather test something for a month and then report on it. this method of day by day reporting does have it’s merits. It shows an evolution of opinion. I say that Friday’s test at .312 mcg’s was inconclusive because I feel like Friday’s test does not count. I got almost the same results as the test at .625 mcg’s. So now, what I would like to do is dilute 25 mcg’s to .312 mcg’s. I have a 10 ml sprayer so I can do this. This is where it gets tricky. After I dilute the P86 to .312 I will have to pour 5ml of that into a 5 ml sprayer because the spray head on the 10 ml sprayer is larger giving a larger dose. Somewhere on the internet Dbot posted the difference in spray head volumes. I remember reading it. **Thoughts on P86** As I test P86 more and more I am getting to know it better. I don’t see it as a beautifier as everyone else does but as a focuser. To me P86 does not have attention grabbing properties at all. P86 does not command attention the way a RONE does. It does however have a “look over here!” vibe to it. It piques the curiosity for a short time. To better describe P86 (as I see it so far), it’s like a TV commercial. It holds someones interest for 10-30 seconds and then it lets go. At .625 mcg’s I don’t see P86 as a powerhouse but as an attention enhancer. Tactius taught us how to see a pheromones properties through Macro dosing. I have learned in the last 2 weeks that Micro dosing is the other way to go. I always thought more was better. In the pheromone world though sometimes less is better. ---
**Author:** ![paradox1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/paradox1/32/1196_2.png) [@paradox1](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/paradox1)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2014, 7:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/report-on-p86/63385/28 "2014-12-09T19:02:04Z")
Today I am wearing VL1 because I didn’t like the feeling that P86 gave me. Even today I feel some sort of mild smoldering anger. Is P86 in my skin? I get a similar feeling when I wear too much enone. So maybe even .625 mcg’s is too high a dosage. Perhaps .312 mcg’s of P86 is too high. My next logical testing step as I see it would be to go down to .078 mcg’s and work my way back up to .625 mcg’s. Either P86 left a mental impression on me–the user or it changed my body chemistry. Why would I still be smoldering today unless one of the two has occurred? Did it simply raise my blood pressure? or cause me to release more testosterone? or is it an estrogen blocker? Perhaps it is magnifying an inner feeling. To tell the truth I’m not eager to try P86 anymore. Maybe I’ll pick up testing in a week…I’ll see how long it takes me to shake this feeling off. ---
**Author:** ![pherosloth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f04885/32.png) [@pherosloth](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/pherosloth)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2015, 6:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/report-on-p86/63385/29 "2015-06-15T06:12:13Z")
You know Paradox, i have to agree with you, P86, is a beautifier, it britghtens the visual acuity of an individual, don’t know about others but it does for self effects. For me my vision gets clearer, short and long distance all the same. The second property it exhibits is a focusing effect. For me and freinds of mine, it allowed us to focus on objects within our visual field, and everytjing else outside our peripheral vision went shitty, like it wasn’t important to pay attention to. For me effects begin at 20mcg and I’ve only tried up to 80mcg, but no difference in effects between 40+mcg and 80mcg. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/report-on-p86/63385.md?page=1)