# Reporting Styles, Message For The Newer Folks **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [February 2, 2009, 6:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/reporting-styles-message-for-the-newer-folks/25651 "2009-02-02T06:33:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2009, 6:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/reporting-styles-message-for-the-newer-folks/25651/1 "2009-02-02T06:33:21Z")
I was talking to Steve earlier today and the subject of reporting came up. We both agreed that we report on major hits in our reports, but don’t mention the more minor and less interesting ones, nor we we mention failures, unless we can attribute those failures directly to the molecules we were wearing, which then does become important to report on. While some of our reports are laced with over the top hits and may make us sound like we are conceited, arrogant or think we’re gods gift to women, I just wanted to point out that neither of us list the girls that we approached who rejected or blew us off, and I would guess most other testers don’t either. Rejection is just a part of the game, and at least in my case those rejections do out number the hits and successes. It’s a numbers game, and the more girls/people that you approach and open, the more that are going to show interest. You guys aren’t interested in hearing about failures though, and just to be honest, I’m not really interested in doubling the length of my posts to mention the girls that I tried to open who ignored or blew me off. Years ago I had a friend who would walk up to every girl in the club and directly ask for sex. One night I asked him, Jim WTF, you piss off pretty much every girl that you talk to. He said he knows but asked how often I’d not seen him leave with a girl before the night was out. You see, his attitude was that he didn’t care how many women told him to F-off, or how many he pissed off, he almost always found one who’d say yes. ---
**Author:** ![Rovot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/rovot/32/5179_2.png) [@Rovot](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rovot)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2009, 6:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/reporting-styles-message-for-the-newer-folks/25651/2 "2009-02-02T06:40:58Z")
the Law of Averages. Had a friend who pulled this one. Personally, I don’t have the esteem for it. I’ve reported the failures…I consider myself a newb. I think application points should be stressed. ---
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2009, 6:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/reporting-styles-message-for-the-newer-folks/25651/3 "2009-02-02T06:57:08Z")
I usually fail to mention application points, unless I’m spraying on a bunch of stuff. But, in any of my reports if you don’t see application points listed, they are virtually always pulse points, and you can bet that the first 2 are always behind my ears. If I’m using socials though, I often times spray in my hair, just one of the benefits of not going to the country club (Red River) and wearing my cowboy hat anymore. I will try to remember to list application points in the future though. ---
**Author:** ![data4](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/data4/32/272_2.png) [@data4](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/data4)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2009, 7:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/reporting-styles-message-for-the-newer-folks/25651/4 "2009-02-02T07:05:18Z")
I’m someone who chronically hits a wall, and I know what my problem is. I’m with you, Rovot. It’s an esteem problem, and for me, it’s one I know I’ve got to eventually overcome. I’m still licking my wounds from a divorce that wasn’t the smoothest in the world, and while I’ve often mentioned I still have sex with my ex sometimes, there’s a whole emotional side of the equation that I purposely avoid talking about. In fact, ghosts are going to be resurrected tomorrow, when I report for Jury Duty. The last time I was in the very same room that the jury pool hangs out in was February 2, 2008, and I was filling out my half of the divorce papers. Guess what tomorrow is? February 2. Exactly one year to the day, and in the back of my mind, it’s going to feel like I’m going to divorce court all over again. However, I don’t want to make this a thread about me. The fact is, many of us have turned to [pheromones](https://a314.com/) because we know there’s something lacking in our interactions with women, or those interactions themselves are lacking. Take a guy like me, for instance, who has read The Game, gets newsletters from everyone such as Mystery, David D, Grant Adams, Vin DiCarlo, Mehow, Neil Strauss, and every other big name in the seduction department. I know pickup theory like the back of my hand, but when it comes down to game time (no pun intended) it all goes south. What is this root of the esteem problem, then? Fear of rejection, simple as that. I think until we overcome that fear, there’s going to be a quagmire of shakey knees, cold feet, and numb vocal cords. Wow, this turned into a regular stream of consciousness from me. Heh… sorry about that. -D4 ---
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2009, 7:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/reporting-styles-message-for-the-newer-folks/25651/5 "2009-02-02T07:16:41Z")
Don’t feel bad Jon, after my divorces it took me a bit of time to build myself back up too. Funny thing was after the second dicorce I got my self-esteem back in strip clubs! Even the asian girl that I’m seeing now, on top of everything else she’s done, worked as a bartender/waitress in the VIP lounge at The Mens Club for 3 years, which is one of the top rated clubs in the country. When I was younger: teens and very early twenties, I was truly afraid of girls and rejection, and had only dated a couple of girls. It actually took me physically trying to alter my appearance and having my ears pinned back, which DID NOT WORK and left me with severe infections and head bandages for 2 months, for me to decide that I am who I am and if anybody doesn’t like me for me, then F them. Once I was comfortable with myself, everything fell into place, and I realized that I wasn’t all that bad and that girls did like me. After that, it was on! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Rovot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/rovot/32/5179_2.png) [@Rovot](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rovot)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2009, 7:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/reporting-styles-message-for-the-newer-folks/25651/6 "2009-02-02T07:21:08Z")
Re: application points, shots to the chest don’t help me out. Maybe a circulation prob? All my pheros are applied are applied to neck/hair as someone suggested during my first mx292 snafu thread. ---
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2009, 7:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/reporting-styles-message-for-the-newer-folks/25651/7 "2009-02-02T07:38:53Z")
The chest isn’t a pulse point. While I do apply to the upper chest area if I’m wearing a number of products, I also have a very high metabolism rate and generate a lot of body heat, and diffusion isn’t much of an issue with me. It sucks because I sweat really easily, but on the bright side, when it’s cold out I stay warmer than most, and when a girl tells me she’s cold I’ll put my hands on her face and always get a “God you’re warm” reply". Behind the ears, on the wrists and front of elbows are all pressure points that will aid in diffusion. I like spraying socials in my hair too, as I find it allows for rapid diffusion as well. But, it is suggested against spraying Androstenone in the hair or on clothing, as it is a very sticky molecule with a lot of staying power, and can be difficult to wash away. ---
**Author:** ![jankren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jankren](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jankren)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2009, 8:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/reporting-styles-message-for-the-newer-folks/25651/8 "2009-02-02T08:45:01Z")
The thing is some people like me are ‘perfectionists’ who put quality way above quantity. I mean I dont want to approach every single woman with decent looks who walks on two legs just for the sake of having a partner. ---
**Author:** ![MuskCloud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f07891/32.png) [@MuskCloud](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MuskCloud)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2009, 10:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/reporting-styles-message-for-the-newer-folks/25651/9 "2009-02-02T10:25:52Z")
Some of us just don’t have the opportunity to interact with women on a regular basis. Both my social and professional circles are completely male-dominated. When I do interact with them, reactions to the pheros I’m wearing have been strongly positive. So far, so good. I try to only report on the hits that I can directly attribute to the pheros. Usually because they’re creating situations that never happen - or happen rarely - when I’m not wearing them. Obvious T & A displays; women suddenly having back trouble and assuming the most blatant in-your-face display of “mate with me” posturing and body language that I’ve ever seen. Then there’s Jacs, a complete stranger who wouldn’t shut up on exposure to [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) at x8 strength. We hugged and cuddled for a full minute after our 4-hour conversation ended and we promised to get together again the next time I’m in Glasgow. I try not to take up bandwidth reporting on every insignificant glance or smile from a passing woman on the street that may or may not be coincidence. Everyone’s always in a hurry to get from A to B. They spend a fraction of a second in the musk cloud’s influence and I don’t believe pheros act that quickly. Musk ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2009, 10:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/reporting-styles-message-for-the-newer-folks/25651/10 "2009-02-02T10:55:24Z")
Hey There Mark Great post. I wanted to mention another thing about reporting styles. Its true we report our biggest hits because there more interesting and it would be redundant to post the smaller sometimes more important cues we get from people everyday. I think alot of new people have been on the net, read all the hype from other sites and come here looking for the gilroy. Actually I have gotten gilroy questions all week. It must be playing on HBO or something LOL They misunderstand what mones can do and when their incorrect expectations are not met they miss what mones can do for them. There is no Gilroy guys… for every big blatant hit the experienced user gets and reports on there are 1000’s of other smaller reactions in a day. Dont just look at the big hit. Those smaller more subtle hits can open up the door of opportunity for you. Learn to work your mones, dont wait for them to work for you. Thats my motto. 😉 Tisha ---
**Author:** ![SCoupe](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/scoupe/32/2101_2.png) [@SCoupe](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SCoupe)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2009, 1:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/reporting-styles-message-for-the-newer-folks/25651/11 "2009-02-02T13:00:27Z")
Tisha’s exactly right of course. Mark - I wonder if there’s any room for considering that a ‘healthy’ dose of cocky is not really a bad thing ? Sort of like ‘ya have to think you can before you can’ or maybe even practice makes perfect. Shut downs are going to occur regardless and that’s part of the learning process too. ---
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2009, 2:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/reporting-styles-message-for-the-newer-folks/25651/12 "2009-02-02T14:35:40Z")
> [@SCoupe](#): > > Tisha’s exactly right of course. > > Mark - I wonder if there’s any room for considering that a ‘healthy’ dose of cocky is not really a bad thing ? Sort of like ‘ya have to think you can before you can’ or maybe even practice makes perfect. Shut downs are going to occur regardless and that’s part of the learning process too. Of course there is, as long as we don’t allow the cockiness to become arrogance. Remember, cockiness and confidence are just a couple letters apart. ---
**Author:** ![SCoupe](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/scoupe/32/2101_2.png) [@SCoupe](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SCoupe)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2009, 2:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/reporting-styles-message-for-the-newer-folks/25651/13 "2009-02-02T14:53:36Z")
> [@mark-in-dallas](#): > > Of course there is, as long as we don’t allow the cockiness to become arrogance. Remember, cockiness and confidence are just a couple letters apart. Precisely. I’ve followed some of your past posts & you’re coming across as more confident now than originally. But let’s consider you @ 17 or 18 … cocky enough to try I’m betting & look at what it turned into. I’m just sayin. ---
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2009, 2:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/reporting-styles-message-for-the-newer-folks/25651/14 "2009-02-02T14:59:29Z")
> [@SCoupe](#): > > Precisely. I’ve followed some of your past posts & you’re coming across as more confident now than originally. But let’s consider you @ 17 or 18 … cocky enough to try I’m betting & look at what it turned into. I’m just sayin. Actually at 17 and 18 I had no self-confidence, was afraid of girls and rejection and had only dated a couple of girls. But, at 21, I realized that Hey I really am OK and girls do like me, that all changed. 😮 😉 ---
**Author:** ![denec](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/denec/32/1730_2.png) [@denec](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/denec)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2009, 3:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/reporting-styles-message-for-the-newer-folks/25651/15 "2009-02-02T15:54:43Z")
> [@mark-in-dallas](#): > > Years ago I had a friend who would walk up to every girl in the club and directly ask for sex. One night I asked him, Jim WTF, you piss off pretty much every girl that you talk to. He said he knows but asked how often I’d not seen him leave with a girl before the night was out. > > You see, his attitude was that he didn’t care how many women told him to F-off, or how many he pissed off, he almost always found one who’d say yes. I know people like that as well and yes it works, but it all about numbers, personally i think the guys who do it are just plain out jerks and have no personality or confidence or game becuase if they did they would not need to rely on it. You are going to say to me wait they must have confidence to be able to walk up to a girl and ask her to have sex? well maybe the first time but after a while it becomes routine to them that it is nothing to them, but to interact with a woman and actually have conversation is a whole another ballgame and above their level. Trust me I like sex too, but I actually like going out and enjoy meeting women on a personal level ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2009, 5:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/reporting-styles-message-for-the-newer-folks/25651/16 "2009-02-02T17:19:17Z")
I have hundreds of failed approaches under my belt every week! Just the other day I was on the phone with Mark and I noticed a babe. I told Mark that I had to hang up now because there was a babe and I needed to approach her. She could have been the one, but if I didn’t approach I never would have known. Turns out she wasn’t and the hence no report. Nobody wants to report on their failures, especially if they had nothing to do with mones. I know mones work, but everyday I go out and get no results at all. Just ask Tisha about how many times I need to end a call to go approach someone 😉 and five minutes later am back on the phone. I have hundreds of numbers that flake or turn out fake. This is not indicative of the mones, just my failure to recognize the right people they are working on and use that to my advantage. I read a lot of users saying mones will and will not work on people who are NOT interested in you. These users are completely right and wrong at the same time! How may that be, you ask? Well if there is prolonged exposure over days and weeks to the mones and the wearer is congruent with the signature\* there is a good deal of evidence that says the person exposed can start to change their feelings towards the wearer. On the same hand if you walk into a bar and the person thinks you’re a skeez and you are there for 5 minutes its a great possibility you are not going to change their mind. But here’s the kicker: in that time you very well might sexually arouse the same person who thinks you are a skeez, but this little thing called free will gets in the way. They have aroused thoughts, but there logical mind says no this is wrong and usually wins out. For men, well they might just act on their arousal. I know when there’s a bitchy chick in my life the sex is much more fun for me. For women they have a lot at stake. Their reputations are key here. So even though women are emotional based, they are still logical and then there’s that free will again 🙂. \*Non-Congruence: Wear Ijerk and hold every door open, be polite, listen to her complaints, buy her stuff. She will not sleep with you. On the other side of the coin: wear IGentleman and do all that and you fit right in with what you are personifying. ---
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2009, 6:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/reporting-styles-message-for-the-newer-folks/25651/17 "2009-02-02T18:33:15Z")
Seems like this is becoming the failure thread! 😛 Come on in everybody and talk about your missed approaches, openings that died on the vine and rejections. Maybe we should rename this “The Biggest Loser” thread. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Bella](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bella/32/1738_2.png) [@Bella](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bella)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2009, 9:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/reporting-styles-message-for-the-newer-folks/25651/18 "2009-02-02T21:29:11Z")
I have a tendency to report only the most blatant hits. Trust me they don’t happen everyday. My problem when reporting is not wanting to seem egotistical about it. It makes me feel great when I get hit on, especially at my age. Like a few of my friends here, I’m older than dirt. None the less it happens. Wolf says it doesn’t surprise him in the least, he’s used to it when men hit on me. I’d like to say I’m used to it, too…but…the truth is, it amazes me. Especially, because some of the guys are much younger. That’s not a complaint, just an observation. No doubt the pheromones help. But the truth is they’re nothing without me behind the wheel, so to speak. As we know, in order to use them to your best advantage _you_ gotta know how to drive the bus. It’s often shocking just how well these molecules can work under the right circumstances…when _you_ know how to steer _them_. _That’s_ when ya fire on all cylinders. 😉 🙂 Just my nickle, Bella ---
**Author:** ![OoohYahhh](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ooohyahhh/32/1274_2.png) [@OoohYahhh](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/OoohYahhh)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2009, 12:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/reporting-styles-message-for-the-newer-folks/25651/19 "2009-02-03T00:00:06Z")
> [@data4](#): > > …In fact, ghosts are going to be resurrected tomorrow, when I report for Jury Duty. The last time I was in the very same room that the jury pool hangs out in was February 2, 2008, and I was filling out my half of the divorce papers. > > Guess what tomorrow is? February 2. Exactly one year to the day, and in the back of my mind, it’s going to feel like I’m going to divorce court all over again. > … > What is this root of the esteem problem, then? Fear of rejection, simple as that. I think until we overcome that fear, there’s going to be a quagmire of shakey knees, cold feet, and numb vocal cords. > > Wow, this turned into a regular stream of consciousness from me. Heh… sorry about that. > > -D4 I understand your situation better than I ever wanted to. The best revenge is having a good life. Have you looked at"Without Embarassment, The Social Cowards Totally Fearless Seduction System" by Micheal Pilinski? Some relatively simple, low risk techniques. Down to earth with good human insight. Emphasis on low risk. Helps me to think of them all as practice girls, just until you get to the real thing. As in, ‘don’t worry about it, she’s just a practice girl.’ OoohYahhh ---
**Author:** ![marty](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/marty/32/714_2.png) [@marty](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/marty)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2009, 12:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/reporting-styles-message-for-the-newer-folks/25651/20 "2009-02-03T00:30:50Z")
I have two big problems. One I tend not to write reports on uneventful nights, and two I don’t tend to go back to uneventful products. Ones that act terribly, I tend to write about simply as a warning, but I’ve got a big box full of “meh” products that I’ve simply let slip to the side because they’re was simply nothing to write about. I’ve been meaning to go back to all of them, but new stuff comes out faster than I can keep up with, and I end up stuck thinking, “well, better try the new one before it sells out, just in case.” “This product neither produced excellent hits or terrible negs.” “This product was acceptable.” Every once in a while I like to write full reports like the BBQ thread simply to point out to people that not every night can be steller. When I was first getting started, I had a really rough time getting many of the products to work for me, so I was somewhat disheartened, and I had many failures. Now I feel that I can pick out hits better, and I feel I can better project the necessary vibe for different mixes. I still can’t project that badass instant jerk dude though. I am too damn nice to even try. 😛 [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/reporting-styles-message-for-the-newer-folks/25651.md?page=2)