# Research Oriented Pheromones Description + Product Value / Ingredient Guide **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [October 12, 2010, 7:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/research-oriented-pheromones-description-product-value-ingredient-guide/42557 "2010-10-12T07:36:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![pheromojo](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pheromojo/32/368_2.png) [@pheromojo](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/pheromojo)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2010, 5:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/research-oriented-pheromones-description-product-value-ingredient-guide/42557/21 "2010-10-12T17:59:10Z")
> [@ioncell](#): > > WOW > > I loved your concise way of delivering info. > > Steve , does mixing molecules in a bottle damages its known vibes ? > I have tried to mix many molecules of the instant line last 2 weeks into to go bottles , > Mix 1 (IH+AMMO+IO+TAF) of semi equal amounts == not really working > Mix 2 (P74+AMMO+TAF+IH)== also not working > Just when I mixed AMMO+TAF+P130 = reached sweetness in seconds šŸ˜ƒ MR charming. Thank you! But, I have to ask, why would you mix the consumer line products in a bottle, when you could just layer them? Also I want to reassert that Iā€™m NOT advocating new users to mix the pheromones I described. I simply wanted to explain the various ingredients in the different products of the ā€œInstantā€ line, so you could get a general idea of what to expect when using those products. I STRONGLY recommend sticking to whats tried and true instead of jumping to the experimone products, unless you are very experienced. šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2010, 6:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/research-oriented-pheromones-description-product-value-ingredient-guide/42557/22 "2010-10-12T18:02:49Z")
> [@ruffinracin121](#): > > I completely understand with what youā€™re saying, and I agree completely. HOWEVER, all the results that people get with pheromones are subject to change based on the individual, and in such a difficult field of study, nothing can be truly 100% consistent. Thats why making a guide for pheromones is so difficult. For this reason I tried to use the information that applied to most people. In no way can any description apply perfectly to all people. Perhaps I should have spelled out things like this more clearly in the guide. Most likely Iā€™ll keep tweaking it based upon yalls suggestions, and then repost the guide in a new thread after its been fine tuned. Itā€™s a [pheromone research](https://pheromonelabs.com/) forum. And as good as guides can be. Unfortunately you yourself may have been tainted already. And Iā€™m not saying that its aterrible thing or something that will be detriment to your understanding of the uses of pheromones. But I advocate open mind researching because Iā€™ve fallen under both categories. When I was new I wanted to learn everything and anything that there could possibly be to learn. While for the majority of the time, I had similar results from other members out there, I found that I had varying effects with certain products and based on interaction with people. My perception was clouded by my research, only now that I look back on results I was getting did I know that I learned something new and I was totally focusing on one subject and a certain responses to _ **validate other peopleā€™s experiences** _. While most of them came true, I accidentally learned the value of an open mind when I sprayed a mix I composited and was totally not what I thought it was (one was Akuto and one was Neroli). Did I experience some IOIā€™s that night that just really surprised me. ---
**Author:** ![pheromojo](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pheromojo/32/368_2.png) [@pheromojo](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/pheromojo)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2010, 6:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/research-oriented-pheromones-description-product-value-ingredient-guide/42557/23 "2010-10-12T18:09:12Z")
I understand your concern and thats a thought that has already crossed my mind many times. Iā€™d like to think Iā€™m a pretty open minded person, and hopefully I can get unbiased results on my own, but a complete lack of bias is hard to come by. I have been taking mental notes of what kind of reactions I get from different people WITHOUT pheromones, so hopefully Iā€™ll come across some noticeable differences when I start using them later today. The main reason I made this guide is because I was learning as much as I could through my own research and typing into a wordpad for personal use, mainly to help me decide which products to try first. When I got to where my information is now, I realized I had the makings of a decent guide(ideally) so I decided to make a thread for new users like my brother and I, so that we could have a good reference point. ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2010, 6:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/research-oriented-pheromones-description-product-value-ingredient-guide/42557/24 "2010-10-12T18:16:26Z")
> [@Steve](#): > > Iā€™ve read about members suggesting that other members break open bottles and start mixing or diluting. Most members here, even the more advanced users, think that breaking open a bottle and adding alcohol to it will dilute it. What you are essentially doing is adding alcohol to the bottle and basically that much alcohol to a molecule is actually damaging the molecule. I wish I was a scientist and could explain this better, but Iā€™m not sure how to. I can tell you that you are diluting but not really the molecule. I know there are many members here that composite. Is that the same as dilluting to a desired effect Steve? I know we had this conversation before and it gets complicated, but purely from your experiences. Does having a composited mix negate some of the effects. It seems to make sense because I was reading some posts about how skin applications and composite mixes give varying results. > [@ioncell](#): > > WOW > > I loved your concise way of delivering info. > > Steve , does mixing molecules in a bottle damages its known vibes ? > I have tried to mix many molecules of the instant line last 2 weeks into to go bottles , > Mix 1 (IH+AMMO+IO+TAF) of semi equal amounts == not really working > Mix 2 (P74+AMMO+TAF+IH)== also not working > Just when I mixed AMMO+TAF+P130 = reached sweetness in seconds šŸ˜ƒ MR charming. ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2010, 6:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/research-oriented-pheromones-description-product-value-ingredient-guide/42557/25 "2010-10-12T18:18:55Z")
> [@ruffinracin121](#): > > I understand your concern and thats a thought that has already crossed my mind many times. Iā€™d like to think Iā€™m a pretty open minded person, and hopefully I can get unbiased results on my own, but a complete lack of bias is hard to come by. I have been taking mental notes of what kind of reactions I get from different people WITHOUT pheromones, so hopefully Iā€™ll come across some noticeable differences when I start using them later today. The main reason I made this guide is because I was learning as much as I could through my own research and typing into a wordpad for personal use, mainly to help me decide which products to try first. When I got to where my information is now, I realized I had the makings of a decent guide(ideally) so I decided to make a thread for new users like my brother and I, so that we could have a good reference point. Iā€™m not saying that your guide is bad or its misinformation, but I just wanted to point out that any guide can mislead people no matter how well-written or well-intentioned. ---
**Author:** ![pheromojo](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pheromojo/32/368_2.png) [@pheromojo](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/pheromojo)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2010, 6:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/research-oriented-pheromones-description-product-value-ingredient-guide/42557/26 "2010-10-12T18:22:07Z")
> [@P51Mustang](#): > > Iā€™m not saying that your guide is bad or its misinformation, but I just wanted to point out that any guide can mislead people no matter how well-written or well-intentioned. I understand what you mean. I wasnt trying to sound defensive. I honestly appreciate all of these comments as they help me to improve the framework Iā€™ve brought forth. If I sounded hostile or angry in any way, it was a mere miscommunication of intentions, since emotions are sometimes hard to convey through typing. I sincerely mean it when I say, I WANT constructive criticism from guys like you. šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2010, 6:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/research-oriented-pheromones-description-product-value-ingredient-guide/42557/27 "2010-10-12T18:36:00Z")
> [@ruffinracin121](#): > > Oh, I see how I may have been unclear. Thats actually not my intention at all. Iā€™m not even personally trying to mix my own stuff, with the exception of A-1, and I realize ā€œlayeringā€ instead of ā€œmixingā€ is a much better option since you can ultimately end up with a mixture that you arent satisfied with. > > The reasons I listed out each pheromones reported results were so that the instant line could be better analyzed. I completely stand behind the belief that Androtics knows a lot more than we do, so their mixtures are top notch. However, the way my mind works, I like to know what is in each product and what those ingredients are reported to do. I never intended to sway people to go out and start using the experimone line without them having some significant experience under their belt. It was more of a ā€œthis guide should help you predict what these products will do,ā€ kind of thing. Does that make sense? Iā€™m sorry if I was unclear. Oh I know your intentions were admirable and you should be commended. The effort shows just how much you learned in such a short period. Iā€™m not knocking you in any way, Iā€™m just explaining to you and other members why these types of lists will never become sticky and how they actually impede the research of the forum. Thatā€™s why [Snooks Big Book of Mones](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-snooks-big-book-o-pheros-for-rookies/5879) is the only guide in the stickies and it simply covers Instant line products and does not cover anything experimental šŸ˜‰. Again I must reemphasize that no offense is implied or intended but your guide has some major flaws to it. Itā€™s not a biggie, because if I did one it would have the same flaws. The major flaw is that every single persons results will be different! Every single person needs to do their own research before delving into serious experimenting. The next thing you know some new guy thinks he is an expert because he read a very limited guide, regardless of who wrote it. I can guarantee you that 90% of the users on this forum THINK they are experienced, but I can assure you many make the [Pheromone](https://a314.com/) Detective squad by the skin of their teeth. We give them that chance to learn. Members like tacitus, PheroQuark and Dancing Joker are the real experts. Pay close notice that I am not on that list. I still have a lot to learn. We all have a lot to learn. A guide will only hinder that learning process. ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2010, 6:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/research-oriented-pheromones-description-product-value-ingredient-guide/42557/28 "2010-10-12T18:55:09Z")
> [@Steve](#): > > Thatā€™s why [Snooks Big Book of Mones](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-snooks-big-book-o-pheros-for-rookies/5879) is the only guide in the stickies and it simply covers Instant line products and does not cover anything experimental šŸ˜‰. Ahem. > [@](#): > > Members like tacitus, PheroQuark and Dancing Joker are the real experts. Pay close notice that I am not on that list. I still have a lot to learn. We all have a lot to learn. A guide will only hinder that learning process. Donā€™t let Steveā€™s humbleness fool you either. Heā€™s up there when it comes to knowledgable information that he disseminates in a responsible manner. If he donā€™t know, heā€™ll simply tell you. ---
**Author:** ![pheromojo](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pheromojo/32/368_2.png) [@pheromojo](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/pheromojo)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2010, 7:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/research-oriented-pheromones-description-product-value-ingredient-guide/42557/29 "2010-10-12T19:06:47Z")
I get what youā€™re saying. I really appreciate all the time you just put into making such a great response. I guess my impatience got the best of me while I was waiting for my products. But lucky for me, they got here in less than 2 days! Iā€™m actually in the process of starting my own field tests today. I hope that I can contribute useful info to this study. I would never knowingly hinder the research behind androtics, but you make a very valid point in how it can do so. To much biased info for new users, correct? I believe youā€™re right about that. I just never really thought about it like that. But seriously, I appreciate the response. I mean that, and I know youā€™re right. I would assume you believe journals to be more productive towards the cause, correct? I planned on following foneguy9ā€™s example, as heā€™s another new user who seems to be doing a really great job. If there are any mistakes in this post, Iā€™m sorry but I typed it on my blackberry. šŸ˜› ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2010, 7:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/research-oriented-pheromones-description-product-value-ingredient-guide/42557/30 "2010-10-12T19:09:38Z")
> [@ruffinracin121](#): > > I get what youā€™re saying. I really appreciate all the time you just put into making such a great response. I guess my impatience got the best of me while I was waiting for my products. But lucky for me, they got here in less than 2 days! Iā€™m actually in the process of starting my own field tests today. I hope that I can contribute useful info to this study. I would never knowingly hinder the research behind androtics, but you make a very valid point in how it can do so. To much biased info for new users, correct? I believe youā€™re right about that. I just never really thought about it like that. > > But seriously, I appreciate the response. I mean that, and I know youā€™re right. I would assume you believe journals to be more productive towards the cause, correct? I planned on following foneguy9ā€™s example, as heā€™s another new user who seems to be doing a really great job. > > If there are any mistakes in this post, Iā€™m sorry but I typed it on my blackberry. šŸ˜› Itā€™s always great to have members with good intentions, especially new ones. I have no doubt you will be a good reporter and will have great contributions to the community. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2010, 7:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/research-oriented-pheromones-description-product-value-ingredient-guide/42557/31 "2010-10-12T19:12:24Z")
> [@ruffinracin121](#): > > I get what youā€™re saying. I really appreciate all the time you just put into making such a great response. I guess my impatience got the best of me while I was waiting for my products. But lucky for me, they got here in less than 2 days! Iā€™m actually in the process of starting my own field tests today. I hope that I can contribute useful info to this study. I would never knowingly hinder the research behind androtics, but you make a very valid point in how it can do so. To much biased info for new users, correct? I believe youā€™re right about that. I just never really thought about it like that. > > But seriously, I appreciate the response. I mean that, and I know youā€™re right. I would assume you believe journals to be more productive towards the cause, correct? I planned on following foneguy9ā€™s example, as heā€™s another new user who seems to be doing a really great job. > > If there are any mistakes in this post, Iā€™m sorry but I typed it on my blackberry. šŸ˜› Youā€™re doing a GREAT job too. Yes though, journals and reporting are the best way you can report. You are 100% right on what I was saying. Itā€™s all good my friend. I thought you did a terrific job and appreciated it. I just wanted to remind you and others how important research and a clean slate is when you test a new molecule šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![pheromojo](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pheromojo/32/368_2.png) [@pheromojo](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/pheromojo)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 7:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/research-oriented-pheromones-description-product-value-ingredient-guide/42557/32 "2010-10-18T07:23:46Z")
Wow! I think Mharris just gave me an award??? I just got a pm from him saying that this post "_is amongst the winners of this cycle time topic nomination contest."_ Though Iā€™m not QUITE sure if that means something in particular, I still feel pretty honored that I got the message and the reputation points from him. So to Mharris, THANK YOU!!! šŸ™‚ To anyone else who knows something about the contest(?), I would love to hear your input. Otherwise Iā€™ll just browse the forums on the subject tomorrow. But, its been a long day, so Iā€™m signing out. So, until tomorrow! šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 6:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/research-oriented-pheromones-description-product-value-ingredient-guide/42557/33 "2010-10-18T18:47:13Z")
> [@ruffinracin121](#): > > Wow! I think Mharris just gave me an award??? I just got a pm from him saying that this post "_is amongst the winners of this cycle time topic nomination contest."_ > > Though Iā€™m not QUITE sure if that means something in particular, I still feel pretty honored that I got the message and the reputation points from him. So to Mharris, THANK YOU!!! šŸ™‚ To anyone else who knows something about the contest(?), I would love to hear your input. Otherwise Iā€™ll just browse the forums on the subject tomorrow. But, its been a long day, so Iā€™m signing out. > > So, until tomorrow! šŸ˜ƒ Most nominations per week wins the TOTW, itā€™s an automated messaged. Havenā€™t heard from Harris in a while around these forums. ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2010, 9:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/research-oriented-pheromones-description-product-value-ingredient-guide/42557/34 "2010-10-18T21:01:33Z")
Itā€™s a good idea in concept but somewhat misleading. I prefer not to look at it as mcgā€™s of mones per dollar, but rather in the degree of positive change in your life you get for those dollars. For example, while A314 as a standalone doesnā€™t get me the same number of attraction hits that I get with Ammo, or _cough_ 301ā€¦but it DOES get me some attraction. On top of that between the raise I got and the average increase in sales Iā€™ve noticed since I started using A314, the cost for a five month supply is covered in a week (thatā€™s based on the difference, not the total lol) So yeah a hundred bucks invested for a bottle that lasts several months paying for itself every week is a good perspective to look at it from. As for attraction and seduction. Before I started using AD I would close at a 70% success rate and with a 6 hour time window. Now while Iā€™ve tried many mixes with varying degreeā€™s of success thereā€™s the old reliable mix of A314/Ammo/Shineā€¦using the above formula my usual mix comes out to. A314 3 Drops = approximately 1 dollar Ammo 2 Sprays = .50 cents [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) 2 sprays =.40 cents So thatā€™s less than two bucks for a night of gaming Now using that particular mix I enjoy about a 10% increase in my success rate and close an average of 1-2 hours faster (which means spending less money on beers and drinks) and I get more compliance including the girl paying for a round or twoā€¦even one drink in a bar or club is going to cost twice as much as the investment in this case. So conservatively one beer will pay for the mones for the night, two is ā€œprofitā€, closing one girl extra of every ten I open and doing so saving two hours of timeā€¦the value is easily ten times the cost. ---
**Author:** ![pheromojo](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pheromojo/32/368_2.png) [@pheromojo](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/pheromojo)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2010, 6:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/research-oriented-pheromones-description-product-value-ingredient-guide/42557/35 "2010-10-21T18:32:46Z")
Aww, automated? I was all excited. šŸ˜› So whats up with him not posting recently? Maybe heā€™s hard at work on some new products for us! šŸ˜ƒ Actually I think that this guide helps to PROMOTE A314, since initially people just see a $109 price tag and see that everything else costs half of that or below(in normal strength). In this guide, you see that A314 is double the value of ammo, and has similar value to [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/), or Jerk, etc. But I really liked your calculation of cost per spray. I added that in just now. ---
**Author:** ![jmartinpersonal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/59ef9b/32.png) [@jmartinpersonal](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jmartinpersonal)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2011, 5:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/research-oriented-pheromones-description-product-value-ingredient-guide/42557/36 "2011-02-11T17:32:33Z")
> [@Steve](#): > > Especiallysince TAC is the BEST none buffer.šŸ˜› > > There are quite a few things missing as far as molecules, but a very good start. However I would say that something that lists a molecule that Androtics considers harmful and then sending the customer to another company to buy that molecule will never become a sticky. The intentions are good, but the reality of it is that it encourages users to go against the androtics mission statement. Actually, does more good than harmā€¦While I donā€™t know what the Androtics Mission statement is. For skeptics like me, it reinforces my initial opinion that censorship is not occurring, promotes open communication and there-by is an amazing marketing tool !!! Being analytical, I wanted to know the differences between your various product offerings. Some product offerings such as Alpha A314 and Turn Up The Heat, even lack the Technical section found in other product offerings. Does your company mission statement also prohibit you from posting all the ā€œmoleculesā€ for all of your product offerings? While I can understand the argument of ā€œtrade secretsā€, the ability to find new and retain your existing customers, far outweighs. Androtics has by far the best marketing advantage by providing independent consumer information about Pheromones, money back and even double money back; yea some will take advantage, that for skeptics like me mostly part confirm that your ā€œstuffā€ isnā€™t just snake oil. In my opinion, perhaps a better response would be to reiterate why Androtic, finds that chemical harmful. Check out my introduction: > [@Chi-Town Says Hey](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/chi-town-says-hey/48796): > > Hi Iā€™m Jeff M and I am quite new to [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/), and new to the site. Iā€™ve first heard of the [androstenone](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/) compound (molecule) waaaaaaaay back in 1992 or so, on TV news programs. With promises of the most from beautiful half naked women guaranteeing me that if I use this product I will get laid. So as the years went by, I would read and hear more and more pheromone stories that the science to replicate the human pheromone was indeed a reality. Then just a few days ago, as I was shoppingā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![P51Mustang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/p51mustang/32/1266_2.png) [@P51Mustang](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/P51Mustang)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2011, 7:50am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/research-oriented-pheromones-description-product-value-ingredient-guide/42557/37 "2011-05-25T07:50:12Z")
For new users reading please refer to this > [@John\_Sebastian](#): > > Going to chime in here from an official capacity. > > Some of these threads where people state they know exactly whats in the products are as good for information as Miss Cleoā€™s psychic hot-line. > > Steveā€™s right, \ ***only** **Harris, Jasmin, and myself** \*know the formulas. The only exceptions being the following: > > - Formulators that actually mix the products for bottling and even then they donā€™t know the chemical names of the putatives, so truthfully even they donā€™t know everything. > > - MXs or other products where _ **Harris, Jasmin, or myself** _ have posted the contents. This has a second exception which is where Steve has mentioned the contents of something one of us have indicated to him and he says so. Steve has an intimate knowledge of the product line and also has proprietary information. Heā€™s even passed on information given to him in an e-mail by Harris. So there are probably times when heā€™s mentioned whats in something because he was told by one of us and it was cleared for release. > > Be wary of anybody who states they know a formula or identity of a putative even if they say ā€œJasmin sent me a personal e-mail saying this is the formula!ā€ - Because unless you actually saw Jasmin post it, it may as well be from that psychic hot-line I mentioned. > > Now that being said - it doesnā€™t really matter WHAT the formula is, what matters is the result (and that we formulated it to specifications). Thats why we named it REALLY easy things like: Instant Gentleman. Instant Honesty. Instant Openness. Instant Shine. > > It doesnā€™t matter what pheromones are in them. And where its important (for example: what contains anderostenone) weā€™ve told you that much. > > I hope this clears everything up. > > Much love, > > John Sebastian > Androtics Direct > [jslavalle@androtics.com](mailto:jslavalle@androtics.com) ---
**Author:** ![Logos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/aeb1de/32.png) [@Logos](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Logos)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2012, 3:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/research-oriented-pheromones-description-product-value-ingredient-guide/42557/38 "2012-03-17T15:03:55Z")
Single molecule testing of various known molecules is the only thing that has allowed me to use mones effectively. The only thing I learned from my initial purchase of ammo was that If I use even one spray of -mones that people will avoid me (OD) or distrust me. A knowledge of individual molecules is critical for personally-apropriate buffering of mixes containing androstenone. One-size-fits-all none-based products will either be properly buffered for younger people or older people or will switch between the two groups without warning as androtics changes the mix. Itā€™d be nice if androtics explicitly addressed that issue for any new users buying a none mix. Like at checkout and again with a letter sent with their product. Maybe they could suggest buying some sort of buffer with it to calibrate the mix, and list several potential buffers. DHEA would work well for the purpose, ( I strongly prefer A-1 but androtics clearly doesnā€™t.) DHEA is dirt cheap, safe as a mone, and can be purchased from a supplement store and mixed by hand, if a person has a little time and a little money. They should also warn that none mixes are far more effective on women over the age of 25. Iā€™d like to hear an explanation of how adding alcohol to a mix ā€œharms the molecules.ā€ At face value, this makes no sense but Iā€™m willing to listen. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/research-oriented-pheromones-description-product-value-ingredient-guide/42557.md?page=1)