# \[Research\] Vagina lovers: Who can best describe the aroma at it's most attractive? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [November 22, 2008, 3:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/research-vagina-lovers-who-can-best-describe-the-aroma-at-its-most-attractive/23156 "2008-11-22T03:36:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![bobs4567](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/94ad74/32.png) [@bobs4567](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bobs4567)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2009, 1:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/research-vagina-lovers-who-can-best-describe-the-aroma-at-its-most-attractive/23156/82 "2009-01-17T01:20:50Z")
> [@Michael\_S](#): > > This is a dead serious post. I’m not looking for tasteless high-school jokes here. Jokes are a sign of embarrassment. Just be real, please. > > If you have a good olfactory sense and an ability to put descriptive words to aromas, I want to hear what things you might compare the smell of a _healthy_ vagina to. I’m a scientist and artist and am well versed in aroma nuances. See if you can you use a series of other smells (of anything from wax to cement) to describe a good vaginal smell. I hope a lot of you will take part. The purpose of this is to give you something good down the road that will turn you on. So go to it. > > Thanks, > > Michael > > ADDITION BY JASMIN: Let me add the same qualifier I added to the women’s version of this question. > > The scent described, should not just when it’s at it’s healthiest, it should also be the smell of a woman’s vagina when she’s _ovulating_. (or is otherwise in the mood or “in heat”) > > Specifically, the scents emitted when you’ve responded most positively to her. The _come hither_ and _gobble me up_ vaginal scents. 🙂 The ATTRACTIVE scents that it creates. > > So _not_ the scents that turn you off or push you away. Not necessarily the bloody aroma when a woman’s menstruating or anything like that, unless that happens to be seriously attractive to you. There’s no use for unattractive odors as copulins. I would say this i have smelt a few vaginal smells from women during after and before sex. They are very very distinctive They smell sweet in some ways it reminded me of the mixtures of smells you got in the old fashioned sweet shops when they used to do sweet making demonstrations but they also have this nice musky smell to them that once you have smelt it can stay with you for a little while. In order to best understand the smell you would have to look at the chemistry of the molecules to get a a closer smell as people can pick up different scents so to get their you would have to emulate the molecules and their behaviours to get the smell jsut right. I would however say they are deffinatley sweet and musky un healthy ones smell more like kippers to me. Hope this helps. ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2009, 9:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/research-vagina-lovers-who-can-best-describe-the-aroma-at-its-most-attractive/23156/83 "2009-01-17T09:56:48Z")
> [@bobs4567](#): > > I would say this i have smelt a few vaginal smells from women during after and before sex. They are very very distinctive They smell sweet in some ways it reminded me of the mixtures of smells you got in the old fashioned sweet shops when they used to do sweet making demonstrations but they also have this nice musky smell to them that once you have smelt it can stay with you for a little while. In order to best understand the smell you would have to look at the chemistry of the molecules to get a a closer smell as people can pick up different scents so to get their you would have to emulate the molecules and their behaviours to get the smell jsut right. I would however say they are deffinatley sweet and musky un healthy ones smell more like kippers to me. Hope this helps. I think that sweet smell is more akin to honey than, say, vanilla… but more like bee bread or pollen from a bee hive than pure honey. The musk smell is very distinctive, not much like other musks. I think it has to do with one of the carboxylic acids… but it’s been so long since I had my hands on any chemicals, I can’t remember… erghhh! Diane ---
**Author:** ![Whitehall](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/whitehall/32/1087_2.png) [@Whitehall](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Whitehall)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2009, 4:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/research-vagina-lovers-who-can-best-describe-the-aroma-at-its-most-attractive/23156/84 "2009-01-17T16:13:18Z")
Apalachicola oysters are one very close analogue, at least for brunettes. [http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B0DEEDB133CF936A25755C0A9649C8B63](http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B0DEEDB133CF936A25755C0A9649C8B63) Redheads and blonds can be more like oysters from the Pacific Northwest, a bit saltier and tangy-er. That said, a woman’s recent diet adds an overlay of smells and tastes. Garlic and asparagus are two well-known examples. Did someone say that copulins are NOT a pheromone? If so then copulins are not the formula we seek, or at least only part of the answer. Women exude [sexual pheromones](https://a314.com/product-category/sensual-pheromones/) through their skin and in their mouth and breath. Those can be very stimulating in themselves and are clearly different from copulins. Are there any non-copulin pheromones yet to capture that feminine communication? ---
**Author:** ![bobs4567](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/94ad74/32.png) [@bobs4567](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bobs4567)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2009, 6:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/research-vagina-lovers-who-can-best-describe-the-aroma-at-its-most-attractive/23156/85 "2009-01-17T18:01:33Z")
> [@diane999](#): > > I think that sweet smell is more akin to honey than, say, vanilla… but more like bee bread or pollen from a bee hive than pure honey. The musk smell is very distinctive, not much like other musks. I think it has to do with one of the carboxylic acids… but it’s been so long since I had my hands on any chemicals, I can’t remember… erghhh! > > Diane hey Diane you just summed up the smell in one to me I new what it smelt like but had difficulty finding something to describe it to but I would have to agree with you the musk smell is like no other. Robert ---
**Author:** ![river](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/river/32/934_2.png) [@river](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/river)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2009, 8:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/research-vagina-lovers-who-can-best-describe-the-aroma-at-its-most-attractive/23156/86 "2009-01-17T20:00:08Z")
> [@diane999](#): > > You need to isolate colonies. That means growing a mixed culture on a rich agar media, diluting the hell out of it with saline or growth media and smearing a small amount of the diluted mix onto rich agar media, incubating it at body temp, repeating to isolate pure colonies, isolating the bacteria that smell good, growing up and plating those, running identifying tests to find out what you have, growing the isolated strain/s in a vat/s and identifying what the odorants are. Human flora is so well categorized, you shouldn’t need to do gas spec analysis to find out what those compounds are once you know what the micro-flora is - just look it up. But if you want to identify these yourself, you just draw off however much of the growth media after sufficient incubation, centrifuge it, draw off the supernatant and extract the volatile acid compounds from the supernatant using ether. > > Growing huge amounts of any pure strain of bacteria or yeast in large sealed vats is easy, and it is done all the time pharmaceutically. For example, insulin is commercially produced by this method using a genetically modified strain of bacteria. > > The most predominant micro-flora types in a healthy woman’s vagina are different strains of Lactobacillus, primarily L. crispatus, L. fermentum, L. jensenii, L. iners, L. gasseri, L. pentosus, L. vaginalis, and L. acidophilus. > > When a shift occurs towards less lactobacilli towards more yeast a woman is at risk for bacterial vaginosis involving all kinds of nasty bacteria and is also at risk for yeast infection from Candida albicans. Candida albicans is part of normal micro-flora of the vagina, but it is held tightly in check by the competition of lactobacillus, and the low pH that it produces in the vagina (\< 4.5). > > The bacteria that are responsible for bacterial vaginosis are interlopers and are not part of the normal flora. The “fish” smell reported by some forum members is indicative of bacterial vaginosis. It is not a normal smell for a vagina. > > You can get pure, live, dried strains of lactobacillus in almost any health food store if you want to go that route. These can be added directly to culture media and grown. I’d still do some control plates to be sure there are no contaminant bacteria and to ensure you have pure strains. > > The volatile acids that Lactobacilli produce are: > > acetic acid > butyric acid > isobutyric acid > formic acid > pyroglutamic acid > propionic acid > valeric acid > isovaleric acid > succinic acid > D- and L-lactic acid > > Not all of these acids were found in the studies collecting vaginal secretions. And, _YES_, some of these acids are what flavors certain cheddar and other cheeses (and probably why EOW had a parmesan smell to it). > > **Acid composition found in _non-contracteptive_-using "_producers"_ during ovulation:** > > lactic acid - (55% D-isomer, 45% L-isomer; reported to be 10x the ascetic acid content) > > acetic acid - _225.8 mcg/sample +/- 22.1_ > > propanoic acid - _65.3 mcg/sample +/- 19.2_ > > methyl-propanoic acid - _5.9 mcg/sample +/- 1.3_ > > butanoic acid - _27.1 mcg/sample +/- 7.6_ > > methylbutanoic acid - _153.3 mcg/sample +/-.5_ > > methylpentanoic acid - _2.1 mcg/sample +/- 1.6_ > > The pH of the samples taken was between 4.0 and 4.8, and lactic acid was the main buffer of this range. The volume of the sample size was not measured, since the collected secretions were eluted from a tampon device into methanol. > > Lactic acid smells musky/mousy. Lactic acid is the predominant acid produced by Lactobacillus. And lactic acid is the main component of vaginal secretions that increases during ovulation, while ascetic acid is the one acid that is always found in some amount in a woman’s vagina. > > In vaginal compositions of healthy women during ovulation, lactic acid is produced at 10x the amount of ascetic acid. Lactic acid proportions rise before ovulation, peak at ovulation, and decline after ovulation. Ascetic acid amounts stay constant. > > In addition to the acids, vaginal secretions contained simple and complex carbohydrates, albumin, and ionic salts (very small amount). > > **Human Vaginal Secretions, Volatile Fatty Acid Content: [http://www.clt.astate.edu/aromero/2.1.pdf](http://www.clt.astate.edu/aromero/2.1.pdf)** > > **Origins of vaginal acidity:** [Origins of vaginal acidity: high D/L lactate ratio is consistent with bacteria being the primary source – Boskey et al. 16 (9): 1809 – Human Reproduction](http://humrep.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/16/9/1809) > > **Vaginal Flora, lactobacillus, and growth media:** [Growth and lactic acid production by vaginal Lactobacillus acidophilus CRL 1259, and inhibition of uropathogenic Escherichia coli – Jurez Toms et al. 52 (12): 1117 – Journal of Medical Microbiology](http://jmm.sgmjournals.org/cgi/content/full/52/12/1117) > > **Estimation of vaginal probiotic lactobacilli growth parameters: [http://pubs.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/rp/rppdf/w01-135.pdf](http://pubs.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/rp/rppdf/w01-135.pdf)** > > _ **Oh, and I’m making a formal request, here. I want my cops unscented and unmixed with any other pheromone!!! And, HEY! since I did all this work do I get a free sample??? LOL 😃** _ > > _ **Whoever is moderating this forum, feel free to pass this on to Michael and then delete it.** _ > > Diane Holy Crap! I think I just went cross-eyed 😮 ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2009, 5:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/research-vagina-lovers-who-can-best-describe-the-aroma-at-its-most-attractive/23156/87 "2009-01-18T05:17:57Z")
> [@Whitehall](#): > > Did someone say that copulins are NOT a pheromone? If so then copulins are not the formula we seek, or at least only part of the answer. Women exude sexual pheromones through their skin and in their mouth and breath. Those can be very stimulating in themselves and are clearly different from copulins. Are there any non-copulin pheromones yet to capture that feminine communication? > **[Studies & Abstracts](https://pheromonetalk.com/c/studies-abstracts/50)** > > Pheromone related studies, abstracts and article excerpts for educational purposes. Diane ---
**Author:** ![spectecjr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@spectecjr](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/spectecjr)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2009, 9:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/research-vagina-lovers-who-can-best-describe-the-aroma-at-its-most-attractive/23156/88 "2009-01-21T09:56:12Z")
> [@Steve](#): > > I really had to think about this axel. It’s difficult to interpret the scent, even though it’s a scent that stays with you forever. > > Permeates the room when excited. Pungent, musky, damp, but not foul. To me it’s like a sunny, hot, sweaty day at a deserted beach. You have a few scents in the air that remind you of the freshness of the day, but at the same time, there’s lots of moisture and sweat from the heat. During the day you lie on your towel and it soaks up your sweat and the sea water off your body, a little tanning oil too. Go home and throw that in an empty hamper and let it sit for a few days. Nice and tight, sealed up! > > When its opened it releases a musk (dampness), not foul or bad, but lightly perfumed (tanning oil), and a small hint of salt water with maybe a bit of vinegar (sweat). > > That’s about the best I can think of right now. I’ll keep trying 😉 There’s at least two kinds of musk too… roughly seems to be 50/50 what you’re going to get. One kind - smells slightly sweet, musky, and has an intoxicating. Not much of a taste, maybe slightly acidic or neutral. The other kind? Stronger musk tones, less sweetness, not intoxicating per se, causes instant gag reflex when tasted (sorry for the indelicate way of putting it). Got to be something in my genetic mix which causes that strong a reaction. ---
**Author:** ![Michael\_Storer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5daacb/32.png) [@Michael\_Storer](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Michael_Storer)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2009, 4:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/research-vagina-lovers-who-can-best-describe-the-aroma-at-its-most-attractive/23156/89 "2009-01-24T16:53:02Z")
Thank you for all the work you put into your posting, Diane! You did some great research here. Most of this info I have, but it was still helpful. We’re getting there… > [@diane999](#): > > You need to isolate colonies. That means growing a mixed culture on a rich agar media, diluting the hell out of it with saline or growth media and smearing a small amount of the diluted mix onto rich agar media, incubating it at body temp, repeating to isolate pure colonies, isolating the bacteria that smell good, growing up and plating those, running identifying tests to find out what you have, growing the isolated strain/s in a vat/s and identifying what the odorants are. Human flora is so well categorized, you shouldn’t need to do gas spec analysis to find out what those compounds are once you know what the micro-flora is - just look it up. But if you want to identify these yourself, you just draw off however much of the growth media after sufficient incubation, centrifuge it, draw off the supernatant and extract the volatile acid compounds from the supernatant using ether. > > Growing huge amounts of any pure strain of bacteria or yeast in large sealed vats is easy, and it is done all the time pharmaceutically. For example, insulin is commercially produced by this method using a genetically modified strain of bacteria. > > The most predominant micro-flora types in a healthy woman’s vagina are different strains of Lactobacillus, primarily L. crispatus, L. fermentum, L. jensenii, L. iners, L. gasseri, L. pentosus, L. vaginalis, and L. acidophilus. > > When a shift occurs towards less lactobacilli towards more yeast a woman is at risk for bacterial vaginosis involving all kinds of nasty bacteria and is also at risk for yeast infection from Candida albicans. Candida albicans is part of normal micro-flora of the vagina, but it is held tightly in check by the competition of lactobacillus, and the low pH that it produces in the vagina (\< 4.5). > > The bacteria that are responsible for bacterial vaginosis are interlopers and are not part of the normal flora. The “fish” smell reported by some forum members is indicative of bacterial vaginosis. It is not a normal smell for a vagina. > > You can get pure, live, dried strains of lactobacillus in almost any health food store if you want to go that route. These can be added directly to culture media and grown. I’d still do some control plates to be sure there are no contaminant bacteria and to ensure you have pure strains. > > The volatile acids that Lactobacilli produce are: > > acetic acid > butyric acid > isobutyric acid > formic acid > pyroglutamic acid > propionic acid > valeric acid > isovaleric acid > succinic acid > D- and L-lactic acid > > Not all of these acids were found in the studies collecting vaginal secretions. And, _YES_, some of these acids are what flavors certain cheddar and other cheeses (and probably why EOW had a parmesan smell to it). > > **Acid composition found in _non-contracteptive_-using "_producers"_ during ovulation:** > > lactic acid - (55% D-isomer, 45% L-isomer; reported to be 10x the ascetic acid content) > > acetic acid - _225.8 mcg/sample +/- 22.1_ > > propanoic acid - _65.3 mcg/sample +/- 19.2_ > > methyl-propanoic acid - _5.9 mcg/sample +/- 1.3_ > > butanoic acid - _27.1 mcg/sample +/- 7.6_ > > methylbutanoic acid - _153.3 mcg/sample +/-.5_ > > methylpentanoic acid - _2.1 mcg/sample +/- 1.6_ > > The pH of the samples taken was between 4.0 and 4.8, and lactic acid was the main buffer of this range. The volume of the sample size was not measured, since the collected secretions were eluted from a tampon device into methanol. > > Lactic acid smells musky/mousy. Lactic acid is the predominant acid produced by Lactobacillus. And lactic acid is the main component of vaginal secretions that increases during ovulation, while ascetic acid is the one acid that is always found in some amount in a woman’s vagina. > > In vaginal compositions of healthy women during ovulation, lactic acid is produced at 10x the amount of ascetic acid. Lactic acid proportions rise before ovulation, peak at ovulation, and decline after ovulation. Ascetic acid amounts stay constant. > > In addition to the acids, vaginal secretions contained simple and complex carbohydrates, albumin, and ionic salts (very small amount). > > **Human Vaginal Secretions, Volatile Fatty Acid Content: [http://www.clt.astate.edu/aromero/2.1.pdf](http://www.clt.astate.edu/aromero/2.1.pdf)** > > **Origins of vaginal acidity: [Origins of vaginal acidity: high D/L lactate ratio is consistent with bacteria being the primary source – Boskey et al. 16 (9): 1809 – Human Reproduction](http://humrep.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/16/9/1809)** > > **Vaginal Flora, lactobacillus, and growth media: [Growth and lactic acid production by vaginal Lactobacillus acidophilus CRL 1259, and inhibition of uropathogenic Escherichia coli – Jurez Toms et al. 52 (12): 1117 – Journal of Medical Microbiology](http://jmm.sgmjournals.org/cgi/content/full/52/12/1117)** > > **Estimation of vaginal probiotic lactobacilli growth parameters: [http://pubs.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/rp/rppdf/w01-135.pdf](http://pubs.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/rp/rppdf/w01-135.pdf)** > > **Oh, and I’m making a formal request, here. I want my cops unscented and unmixed with any other pheromone!!! And, HEY! since I did all this work do I get a free sample??? LOL 😃** > > **Whoever is moderating this forum, feel free to pass this on to Michael and then delete it.** > > Diane ---
**Author:** ![Whitehall](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/whitehall/32/1087_2.png) [@Whitehall](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Whitehall)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2009, 5:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/research-vagina-lovers-who-can-best-describe-the-aroma-at-its-most-attractive/23156/90 "2009-01-24T17:08:20Z")
A problem with the current copulins products is that they are calibrated in neither intensity nor in composition. We certainly see that with EoW over time. ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2009, 3:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/research-vagina-lovers-who-can-best-describe-the-aroma-at-its-most-attractive/23156/91 "2009-01-26T03:09:12Z")
> [@Michael\_Storer](#): > > Thank you for all the work you put into your posting, Diane! You did some great research here. Most of this info I have, but it was still helpful. We’re getting there… You are welcome, Michael. Us ladies are getting a bit desperate without a good source of cops. I hope it won’t be long. And I truly hope we can get a cops formula without other pheromones, steering molecules and scents thrown in. Diane ---
**Author:** ![fj1200rider](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c4cdca/32.png) [@fj1200rider](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/fj1200rider)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2009, 9:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/research-vagina-lovers-who-can-best-describe-the-aroma-at-its-most-attractive/23156/92 "2009-02-06T21:28:35Z")
The last Girlfriend I had remined me of the smell of a saddle after a long ride. Musky,tangy with some damp leaves mixed in ---
**Author:** ![Wolfy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wolfy/32/965_2.png) [@Wolfy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Wolfy)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2009, 10:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/research-vagina-lovers-who-can-best-describe-the-aroma-at-its-most-attractive/23156/93 "2009-02-11T22:13:03Z")
> [@diane999](#): > > You are welcome, Michael. Us ladies are getting a bit desperate without a good source of cops. I hope it won’t be long. And I truly hope we can get a cops formula without other pheromones, steering molecules and scents thrown in. > > Diane Um, don’t natural copulins get higher the more desperate the women get? Similar to a guy using copulinis to raise his natural testosterone, can’t the ladies use andestronone or TUTH to raise their natural copulins? so use a q-tip and dab some andestronone on the inside of your nostril and use the natural cops your body produces. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2009, 1:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/research-vagina-lovers-who-can-best-describe-the-aroma-at-its-most-attractive/23156/94 "2009-02-12T01:59:33Z")
> [@woofie2](#): > > Um, don’t natural copulins get higher the more desperate the women get? > > Similar to a guy using copulinis to raise his natural testosterone, can’t the ladies use andestronone or TUTH to raise their natural copulins? > so use a q-tip and dab some andestronone on the inside of your nostril and use the natural cops your body produces. 😃 Uh, nope. Copulin production seems to be related to Estrogen levels in the body. This is why copulins are highest mid month when the level of this hormone is at its peak. There hasn’t been any suggestion that I’ve seen in the literature that Androstenone (or any other male pheromone) raises Estrogen for a woman. Rather the reproductive hormones are pretty tightly controlled by the pituitary in both positive and negative feedback loops. Since the levels of Estrogen and Progesterone, and their attendant cycling is very specific for reproduction, anything that messed with that control would likely result in infertility. So, chances are there isn’t a naturally occurring pheromone that will change or mess with the hormone levels or ratios between the two in when a woman is exposed to it. Androstenol has been shown to raise cortisol level, but that doesn’t correlate with Estrogen/Progesterone production in women. It is more likely for an anti-inflammatory effect that could aid in a successful pregnancy. Diane ---
**Author:** ![Jasmin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jasmin/32/287_2.png) [@Jasmin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jasmin)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2009, 7:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/research-vagina-lovers-who-can-best-describe-the-aroma-at-its-most-attractive/23156/95 "2009-02-18T19:48:03Z")
> [@woofie2](#): > > Um, don’t natural copulins get higher the more desperate the women get? If by “desperate”, you mean once a month, or when we’re about to run out of eggs, then probably… But if you just mean “horny”, maybe not. Women only _require_ sex once a month to fulfill their body’s biological agenda, whereas guys require it every 10 minutes or so. 🙂 Two very different agendas, that meet somewhere in between. You can study evolutionary psychology to gain a good understanding of how our thoughts and behaviors are driven by our over 100 trillion cells. What you consider to be “you” might not want to reproduce quite yet (you’re probably just after a good time!), but _they_ do. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Wrlprchnx](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wrlprchnx/32/1360_2.png) [@Wrlprchnx](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Wrlprchnx)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 9:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/research-vagina-lovers-who-can-best-describe-the-aroma-at-its-most-attractive/23156/96 "2009-02-19T21:58:28Z")
> [@diane999](#): > > Uh, nope. Copulin production seems to be related to Estrogen levels in the body. This is why copulins are highest mid month when the level of this hormone is at its peak. > > There hasn’t been any suggestion that I’ve seen in the literature that Androstenone (or any other male pheromone) raises Estrogen for a woman. Rather the reproductive hormones are pretty tightly controlled by the pituitary in both positive and negative feedback loops. Since the levels of Estrogen and Progesterone, and their attendant cycling is very specific for reproduction, anything that messed with that control would likely result in infertility. So, chances are there isn’t a naturally occurring pheromone that will change or mess with the hormone levels or ratios between the two in when a woman is exposed to it. > > Androstenol has been shown to raise cortisol level, but that doesn’t correlate with Estrogen/Progesterone production in women. It is more likely for an anti-inflammatory effect that could aid in a successful pregnancy. > > Diane mmm then how do we explain Women’s cycles aligning when they start to live together - Generally this is to the Alpha Female’s cycle so I would argue that a TAL-like molecule might have an effect on a woman’s cycle. (Assuming I am remembering correctly that TAL is the IS/A molecule) My basis for pheremones being why female cycles sync is because it happens without the females knowing each others cycles… and from what I hear it happens very consistently. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Coach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b5e925/32.png) [@The\_Coach](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/The_Coach)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 10:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/research-vagina-lovers-who-can-best-describe-the-aroma-at-its-most-attractive/23156/97 "2009-02-19T22:26:23Z")
Hard to describe. I assume all of the ones I have experienced were healthy. No negative affects yet. I describe the smell as a mild body oder. like when you forget to put on deoderant. I have noted hints of coconut to some but then again it could have been due to their profession. If you were to incorporate the smell into a bottle it would be musky and have a slight hint of fruitiness. very subtle though. ---
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> [@Wrlprchnx](#): > > mmm then how do we explain Women’s cycles aligning when they start to live together - Generally this is to the Alpha Female’s cycle so I would argue that a TAL-like molecule might have an effect on a woman’s cycle. > > (Assuming I am remembering correctly that TAL is the IS/A molecule) > > My basis for pheremones being why female cycles sync is because it happens without the females knowing each others cycles… and from what I hear it happens very consistently. Women’s cycles don’t just automatically align all at once. The phenomenon is real, but it is a gradual process that happens over an extended period of time. That gradual change is very different from what was suggested. And it is women to women, without pheromone input from males. And that is very different from what was suggested. Diane ---
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> [@diane999](#): > > Women’s cycles don’t just automatically align all at once. The phenomenon is real, but it is a gradual process that happens over an extended period of time. That gradual change is very different from what was suggested. And it is women to women, without pheromone input from males. > > And that is very different from what was suggested. > > Diane But I imagine if a male was wearing [female pheromones](https://phera.com/) around women for an extended period of time his pheromones use might have an effect of some nature on her cycle? ---
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> [@Wrlprchnx](#): > > But I imagine if a male was wearing female pheromones around women for an extended period of time his pheromones use might have an effect of some nature on her cycle? There have been tons of suggestions on some very good books on evolution of the sexes from a sperm vs. egg viewpoint and their biological imperatives. I think if you want a good grasp of the subject start with evolutionary biology and sexual imperatives. Here’s a few suggestions to get you started: The Sex Imperative: An Evolutionary Tale of Sexual Survivability **by** Kenneth Maxwell - Sperm Wars: The Science of Sex \*by Robin Baker _THE RED QUEEN Sex and the Evolution of Human Nature_ by Matt Ridley THE EVOLUTION OF DESIRE Strategies of Human Mating _by David M. Buss_ Enjoy. 🙂 Diane ---
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> [@The\_Coach](#): > > …I have noted hints of coconut to some but then again it could have been due to their profession. … They were coconut farmers??😕 [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/research-vagina-lovers-who-can-best-describe-the-aroma-at-its-most-attractive/23156.md?page=4) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/research-vagina-lovers-who-can-best-describe-the-aroma-at-its-most-attractive/23156.md?page=6)