# retiring ammo from my collection **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [December 6, 2008, 2:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/retiring-ammo-from-my-collection/23708 "2008-12-06T14:39:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![acyzaak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4bbf92/32.png) [@acyzaak](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/acyzaak)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2008, 2:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/retiring-ammo-from-my-collection/23708/1 "2008-12-06T14:39:03Z")
hey guys after much trail and error i have to retire ammo from my collection. i found that asians (muslims) and other similars HATE the smell! any one else found this? seriously, they hate it soo much! i even just sprayed it on myself to get an honest opinion from my cousin who said she almost puked šŸ˜® so yeahā€¦no more ammo for meā€¦anyone else had similar experiences? also i just got my latest order: 1 bottle instant openness normal strenght 1 bottle instant openness double strenght 1 bottle Instant Shine double 3 bottles Instant Shine normal (cause i know im gonna need em) AND after every1 was telling me to try it: [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) very excited! funny to think that even though weā€™re affected by the credit crunch here in the UK, pheroā€™s are still my top priority! i really wanna try instant Gentleman and also, i tried instant openness as one of my 1st phero products but couldnt see any hits or anything. im hoping after gaining a little experience i can try it out again. anyone any hints and tips for gentleman and openness? ALSO how do you guys spray you pheros? a few inches from your body? or a little further away so that the pheros are able to spread a little more? my phero closet has: ammo (few spray left) TUTH Dirty Female Magic CTTM A314 Instant Shine Thanks:o ---
**Author:** ![Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gone_with_the_wind/32/2227_2.png) [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gone_with_the_Wind)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2008, 5:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/retiring-ammo-from-my-collection/23708/2 "2008-12-06T17:03:15Z")
> [@acyzaak](#): > > hey guys after much trail and error i have to retire ammo from my collection. i found that asians (muslims) and other similars HATE the smell! any one else found this? seriously, they hate it soo much! i even just sprayed it on myself to get an honest opinion from my cousin who said she almost puked šŸ˜® so yeahā€¦no more ammo for meā€¦anyone else had similar experiences? > > also i just got my latest order: > > 1 bottle instant openness normal strenght > 1 bottle instant openness double strenght > > 1 bottle Instant Shine double > 3 bottles Instant Shine normal (cause i know im gonna need em) > > AND after every1 was telling me to try it: Instant Gentleman > > very excited! funny to think that even though weā€™re affected by the credit crunch here in the UK, pheroā€™s are still my top priority! > > i really wanna try instant Gentleman and also, i tried instant openness as one of my 1st phero products but couldnt see any hits or anything. im hoping after gaining a little experience i can try it out again. > > anyone any hints and tips for gentleman and openness? ALSO how do you guys spray you pheros? a few inches from your body? or a little further away so that the pheros are able to spread a little more? > > my phero closet has: > ammo (few spray left) > TUTH > Dirty > Female Magic > CTTM > A314 > Instant Shine > > Thanks:o You are probably going to get the same type of reaction with tuth and dirty, as both contain substantial anone. a314 has a little bit so you might get some of that reaction. IG is a good idea. For sprays, I usually spray onto my bare torso, then get dressed. ---
**Author:** ![eikos](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eikos/32/1602_2.png) [@eikos](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/eikos)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2008, 5:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/retiring-ammo-from-my-collection/23708/3 "2008-12-06T17:13:03Z")
I havenā€™t really had any experience like that with ammo. Iā€™ve only tried it out for a about 2 weeks, and I wasnā€™t really fond of the smell myself (Game scented) but it wasnā€™t that bad. As for negative reactions from other women, I havenā€™t really gotten any. _Edit_ Here are the cliff notes for my kinda long story if you donā€™t wanna read it lol \* Cliffs: Wore ammo around Pakistani friend who is normally shy, and kinda nervous around me. Her behavior changed and was really into me, leaning towards me, giving full eye contact, etcā€¦ Wore ammo around her friend who is also from Pakistan, recieved lots of IOIā€™s. Talking about Muslims girls though, I do have on friend that I did have a class with. Iā€™ve known her for about a year now. Sheā€™s from Pakistan, and very beautiful. Everytime I talk to her she would kinda look down, or look away, fidget around and play with her hair. All of this seemed to me as if she was interested in me but still shy and nervous. Even though she did act this way, she would talk to me and go on about her family, friends etcā€¦ Things that were all personal. We would kinda flirt back and forth online on MSN or through facebook and set up plans to hang out, but when the time actually came and I saw her in person, she would kinda resort back to her shy ways and back out with an excuse. All of this was before I wore [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/). The first day I wore ammo around her, was right after we came back from a 2 week break from classes. I sit in the back of class and she sits in front. I was at my seat already and she walked in, looked over at me and waved. I waved back and called her to me to ask her a question. I had been trying to call her over the break and was a wierd voicemail instead of her usual one, so I wanted to know what that was about. (Keep in mind I forgot I was wearing ammo). So she came over asked how i was doing, and explained that she changed her number etcā€¦and how she was sorry she forgot to tell me. The funny thing is, I said ok and that I would talk to her after class, but right as I was i the middle of saying that, she sat down in the empty desk in front of me, turned completely around and was leaning towards me giving me direct eye contact. Asking me a all types of different random questions, leaning towards me and not really breaking eye contact at all. She did play with her hair a little, but it wasnā€™t in the frantic way she normally did it, it was slower. Our professor came in so she had to go back to her seat. I wondered what that was all about but then I remembered I was wearing ammo, so it had to have been that. A few days later, I saw her and her friend (who is also from Pakistan and is also very attractive) so she stops me to talk. I was wearing ammo again and she was giving me the same reaction as before. She didnā€™t introduce her friend to me, and it felt kinda akward standing there paying attention to her without saying anything to her friend so I looked over to her and said hi. Her friend gave me a big smile and said hi back. We finished talking and I went on my way. The following day, I got to one of my classes early, so the previous class was just finishing up and everyone was walking out. The friend was in that class but I didnā€™t notice her. so I sat in my seat, and kinda spaced out, when after a while I noticed someone was standing a few feet away from me facing my direction. I looked up and saw that it was the friend and she was standing there trying to get my attention for the past minute or so. I said hi, and she walked out but looked back and smiled. Havenā€™t seen her after that, and as for my friend, I havenā€™t seen her in a while because we both dropped the only class we had together because we didnā€™t like the professor, but we still talk to each other online, still trying to figure out when we will get together to do something. And as for ammo, I stopped wearing it because even though I did get that hit from her and her friend, and one random hit from a girl on the train, I donā€™t really find it good to wear it to school given my type of schedule. Also, in my first class, everytime I wore ammo, I would smell something similar to urine. I kept wondering where that smell came from, and eventually began to suspect the ammo since I only started to smell it after I began wearing ammo. After I stopped wearing it, the smell went away. This only happened in that one class for some odd reason though. So from what I can get from my experiences, the smell doesnā€™t bother them one bit. And sorry for that long story, I kinda tend to do that lol. Just want to be as detailed as I can. lol I do have one question though, I am wondering if this girl wouldnā€™t want to go any further than just friends because of her religion and where sheā€™s from etcā€¦ seeing that Iā€™m mixed (black/east indian/hispanic). Do you think this is the problem? ---
**Author:** ![dahujznaet](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dahujznaet/32/843_2.png) [@dahujznaet](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dahujznaet)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2008, 5:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/retiring-ammo-from-my-collection/23708/4 "2008-12-06T17:13:04Z")
maybe you could send me AMMO , since you are not goin to use it anymore ? šŸ˜ƒšŸ˜ƒ Anywaysā€¦ I havent tried a lot, so i canā€™t say anything right now, but i have ideas where and how to practice and look on people reactions :x ---
**Author:** ![eikos](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eikos/32/1602_2.png) [@eikos](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/eikos)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2008, 5:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/retiring-ammo-from-my-collection/23708/5 "2008-12-06T17:21:24Z")
Oh, forgot to mention, good choice on getting [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/),I donā€™t think you will be dissapointed with it. Iā€™ve been using it and think itā€™s way underrated. Iā€™ll post up a report of it a little later on today. I use on spray to the front of my neck, so that I can smell it as well as others. I have instant openness and havenā€™t noticed any results from it, (but I guess itā€™s because Iā€™ve only worn it around people that I know pretty well already) I know itā€™s supposed to be an icebreaker, but itā€™s supposed to make people more chatty as well, so I was kinda hoping to see that around the people I wore it around, but nothing yet. I just recieved my order of CTTM2 and am hoping to get much better reulst with that. One question that I forgot to ask, how old are you and how many sprays of ammo are you using? Age and # of sprays could be the reason for the negative reactions. ---
**Author:** ![acyzaak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4bbf92/32.png) [@acyzaak](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/acyzaak)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2008, 5:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/retiring-ammo-from-my-collection/23708/6 "2008-12-06T17:50:29Z")
eikos, im a little taken back by the fact that you got hits from pakistani girls with ammo since that is the exact problem im having.and i really dont think its my skin reaction, cause others girls, black/white etc seem to like it. As for the relationship issue, i know a lot of these kinds of girls. it really depends on the girl, i know a lot that have very traditional modes of thinking which means no sex before marriage, no dating outside their religion etc. then i also know some girls that are really open, so its kind of a hard case to crack. whats her accent? where did she grow up? strict family? these all play factors from my experience - i had the SAME problem a few months back. However, after being persistant, i finally had a break through and the girl pretty much fell in love with me - until the end of uni and then we never saw each other again. However, i do remember one point: i was wearing instant female magic, she was on her period (i hear this has a massive effect - not fully sure why) - and she basically threw herself at me (keep in mind this is a girl that had never done anything before)ā€¦ so, i think you need to take a look at the situation, if you find she is a hard nut to crack but still think the girl is worth it, then keep at it, these kinda girls usually need longer to develop an emotional connection with someone before they really dedicate themselves. šŸ˜‰ ---
**Author:** ![eikos](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eikos/32/1602_2.png) [@eikos](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/eikos)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2008, 6:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/retiring-ammo-from-my-collection/23708/7 "2008-12-06T18:03:12Z")
She does have a Pakistani accent and speaks English pretty much fluently, she does slip up every once in a while though. She spent a little more of her time in Pakistan and moved here when she was 14 if I remember correctly. Sheā€™s now 21. Not sure how strict her family is though. I made a second post after my first, but for some reason it said that it will be posted after it has been reviewed by a mod. In it I said that I donā€™t think you will be dissapointed with [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/), I use it and think itā€™s underrated. I havenā€™t recieved and hits with Instant Openness, and just recieved and my CTTM2 and am expecting way better results with that. How old are you and how many sprays of Ammo are you using. Age and number of sprays are important when using a product containing -none like Ammo. Iā€™m 21 and one spray to the front of the neck was all I needed. Iā€™m thinking I might be fine with even half a spray since the smell of urine in my first class was pretty strong lol. As for tips on how and where to spray, here is what I follow as recommended by Trisha: Use one product at a time for at least a week. Try to do a few days at each dosage in different settings. I will use a week as a example below though so you can get the general ideal Lets use shine as a example. Day 1. 1 spray to hair, Gage your self effects and any seen effects for the day. Day 2. 1 spray to hair, 1 spray to chest. Gage your results Day 3. 1 spray to hair, 1 to chest and 1 split to wrists. Gage your results Day 4. 1 spray to hair, 1 to neck ,1 to chest, 1 split to wrists ā€œā€ā€œā€ā€œā€ā€œā€ā€œā€" Day 5. Go back to day 1 or 2 and then reapply half way though the day. Day 6. go back to day 3 and reapply a half dose of it half way though the day. Day 7. Look back at your week and try to determine what you sweet spot is for dosage. Then you move onto the next product by it self. After you tested those two then you can begin to make comboā€™s with them. **This will be different for Androstenone based products. Lower dosage and no reapply needed.** ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2008, 7:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/retiring-ammo-from-my-collection/23708/8 "2008-12-06T19:41:15Z")
Ah dunno, I live and work mostly around Asians of every flavor and creed and have never noted a negative reaction to [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/)ā€™s mones or the original scent. In fact, many have complimented me on the scent. Now the new Ammo with ā€œgameā€ cologne is a different story. It smells horrificā€“sour and cheap. Reminds me a teenagerā€™s body spray. Perhaps thatā€™s your problem. Iā€™ve stopped wearing Ammo as well. Too bad as it was once among my fav products. ---
**Author:** ![Jasmin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jasmin/32/287_2.png) [@Jasmin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jasmin)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2008, 10:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/retiring-ammo-from-my-collection/23708/9 "2008-12-06T22:50:33Z")
> [@acyzaak](#): > > hey guys after much trail and error i have to retire ammo from my collection. i found that asians (muslims) and other similars HATE the smell! any one else found this? seriously, they hate it soo much! i even just sprayed it on myself to get an honest opinion from my cousin who said she almost puked šŸ˜® so yeahā€¦no more ammo for meā€¦anyone else had similar experiences? It could either be the scent package or the pheromones themselves. Do you have the original or the ā€œGameā€ scented Ammo? If you donā€™t know, you can look at the bottom of your bottle and read it off the sticker. If that fell off, we can tell by the order date. ---
**Author:** ![Jasmin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jasmin/32/287_2.png) [@Jasmin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jasmin)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2008, 11:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/retiring-ammo-from-my-collection/23708/10 "2008-12-06T23:02:40Z")
> [@Gegogi](#): > > Ah dunno, I live and work mostly around Asians of every flavor and creed and have never noted a negative reaction to Ammoā€™s mones or the original scent. In fact, many have complimented me on the scent. Now the new Ammo with ā€œgameā€ cologne is a different story. It smells horrificā€“sour and cheap. Reminds me a teenagerā€™s body spray. Perhaps thatā€™s your problem. Iā€™ve stopped wearing Ammo as well. Too bad as it was once among my fav products. I agree. While itā€™s G R E A T for diffusion, it doesnā€™t have the sort of high end scent the original Ammo does. Game is based on Green Irish Tweed by Creed, or itā€™s mass market clone, Cool Water. Most of our scents, Game included, are made by the same behind the scenes that actually makes Cool Water and many of the big brand name colognes you find at the department stores. They also made Andron for Jovan something like 28 years ago. So the perfumers and chemistry should be top notch, but the original obviously does smell more like what Iā€™d expect a better cologne to smell like. Weā€™re having it reworked now. Hopefully we can get some of the diffusion characteristics of the game scent, but keep the high end character of the original Ammo. If that fails, our new house perfumer might be able to whip something up. We have to get his office setup and loaded up with a big palette and he could give it a shot. Weā€™ll have some of his current scents up for sale soon, like Kadota. Definitely top notch stuff. Very original. ---
**Author:** ![Robbie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2acd7d/32.png) [@Robbie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Robbie)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2008, 11:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/retiring-ammo-from-my-collection/23708/11 "2008-12-06T23:19:55Z")
> [@Jasmin](#): > > If that fails, our new house perfumer might be able to whip something up. Aqua Vulva? ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2008, 11:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/retiring-ammo-from-my-collection/23708/12 "2008-12-06T23:56:26Z")
As in Aqua Vagina? Might be a more TSA friendly name for travelers. Also, I can imagine great print and TV adds with a name like that. ---
**Author:** ![Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gone_with_the_wind/32/2227_2.png) [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gone_with_the_Wind)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2008, 4:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/retiring-ammo-from-my-collection/23708/13 "2008-12-07T04:06:20Z")
Guys, remember that Ammo is available in unscented through the custom menu. I like 2x unscented, and then cover with a high-end cologne of my own choice. ---
**Author:** ![slickjay](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/slickjay/32/2022_2.png) [@slickjay](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/slickjay)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2008, 6:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/retiring-ammo-from-my-collection/23708/14 "2008-12-07T06:46:13Z")
My girlfriend is Muslim; 19 yrs old. I use 1x Ammo[The Game], 2x InstantShine, 1-2x Turn Up The Heat and it makes her go crazy! It really works well for me, and I am around her family all the timeā€“4brothers,2sistersā€“all Muslim and nobody has commented on my phero smells at all. Everybody seems to love. ---
**Author:** ![skeeter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e5b9ba/32.png) [@skeeter](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/skeeter)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2008, 9:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/retiring-ammo-from-my-collection/23708/15 "2008-12-07T09:01:30Z")
> [@Jasmin](#): > > Game is based on Green Irish Tweed by Creed, or itā€™s mass market clone, Cool Water. Most of our scents, Game included, are made by the same behind the scenes that actually makes Cool Water and many of the big brand name colognes you find at the department stores. They also made Andron for Jovan something like 28 years ago. > > . Game scent is not even in the same zip code as Cool Water. ---
**Author:** ![dapg01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b3f665/32.png) [@dapg01](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dapg01)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2008, 9:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/retiring-ammo-from-my-collection/23708/16 "2008-12-07T09:04:38Z")
I personally love the old ammo scent and Iā€™m really happy I bought a bottle to keep just in case a couple of months ago with the original scent. I actually donā€™t mind game, it smells soft so I wouldnā€™t use it to cover some of the more smelly pheromones, so I can understand how some people donā€™t like it with ammo. Has anyone thought about just customizing the ammo with akuto scent? I heard itā€™s a good scent and if I remember correctly, before my bottle of MX113 spilled after a flight I loved the akuto scent of it. ---
**Author:** ![Rockaway](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/rockaway/32/2437_2.png) [@Rockaway](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rockaway)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2008, 9:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/retiring-ammo-from-my-collection/23708/17 "2008-12-07T09:28:58Z")
I got my bottle of Ammo not too long ago and havenā€™t extensively tested it yet, but I am asian and have used it around plenty of asians and have never received any negative comment about it. Those who have commented on the smell really like it, so perhaps you should try asking a few more people? ---
**Author:** ![bubblebob](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bubblebob/32/2120_2.png) [@bubblebob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bubblebob)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2008, 12:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/retiring-ammo-from-my-collection/23708/18 "2008-12-07T12:41:44Z")
> [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](#): > > Guys, remember that Ammo is available in unscented through the custom menu. I like 2x unscented, and then cover with a high-end cologne of my own choice. Right, I think thatā€™s the best choice for people who canā€™t stand game scent. Iā€™m always mixing unscented heavy ammo 1:1 with a cologne of mine in an empty to-go bottle - works fine and the scent is what I really like (the original Ammo scent is fine, but I feel itā€™s got something strange in it (something that comes up after maybe half an hour) that I kinda dislike). The only problem with this is that unscented Ammo is considered advanced stuff (IMO, please correct me if Iā€™m wrong) and so thereā€™s no money-back-guarantee. No problem for us guys who tried it for a while, but may be a problem for the newbiesā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![denec](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/denec/32/1730_2.png) [@denec](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/denec)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2008, 12:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/retiring-ammo-from-my-collection/23708/19 "2008-12-07T12:58:20Z")
> [@skeeter](#): > > Game scent is not even in the same zip code as Cool Water. That is kind of funny, because I think it is a step above Cool Water, here is how I rate the following in terms of scents: #1 : Green Irish Tweed #2 : Ammo with Game Scent #3 : Cool Water I have all 3 , one of the great things about owning ammo game scent is I can easily use ammo game scent and layer it with GIT or Cool water and not clash. I also find it odd how so many people are complaining when Cool Water and GIT are like the #1 most popular colognes out there next to ADG and women love the smell There is obviously a difference between Game scent and GIT, but notes are very similar and I get more compliments from women from the smell Also one of the nice things I find about Game scent is has really good sillage