# Retrofitting Your Game. **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [April 16, 2011, 7:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/retrofitting-your-game/49909 "2011-04-16T19:39:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Septerra](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/septerra/32/196_2.png) [@Septerra](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Septerra)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2011, 7:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/retrofitting-your-game/49909/1 "2011-04-16T19:39:56Z")
Hey all, I have been reading through the forum a lot and I’ve come across a few of mixes that seem like they could be awesome (mostly having a314 or ammo mixed with some socials). However, I do have a question pertaining to how people go about introducing these mixes to prospective dates. It seems like having a superb mix that portrays the comfortability factor as well as the alpha male factor is ideal for mostly any situation you would go up against with a woman. Now, with respect to your testing and mixing efforts, would it be a better idea to retrofit in these factors rather than introduce them all at once? What I mean is…say you’ll have a social mix that is geared towards creating a comfort and trust basis with a girl (say IO, IH, IS, ammo/a314), and you use that for a bit, and then slowly introduce mones like tuth and a higher dose of ammo/a314, or even replace the socials with these, for when you want to make your move. Do you feel this just a waste of time, or could it be a better alternative to creating that all-encompassing confusion-of-brain-activity mix. This question is posed for both contexts of meeting single girls as well as building a relationship if this person is what you’re looking for. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2011, 11:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/retrofitting-your-game/49909/2 "2011-04-16T23:07:08Z")
I would say it might be horses for courses. By that I mean I would use different mixes depending on where I was going and what/who I might be doing/meeting - ie It would be a very different mix for a night of drinking, dancing partying & pulling, compared to a more sedate night of bonding/conversation & closeness or with someone of a more serious relationship potential. Although I would carry the tools to help take that one more down & dirty if needed. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Septerra](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/septerra/32/196_2.png) [@Septerra](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Septerra)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2011, 3:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/retrofitting-your-game/49909/3 "2011-04-17T03:24:57Z")
‘Horses for Courses’ … I’ve never heard that one before. I like it though, it makes sense and it rhymes! So what would your two different mixes be if you were limited to the sprays and no putatives (I am trying to start thinking of mixes even though I’m only a week in on one mone test haha). I would think higher ammo/a314 and more IS for a night out dancing or partying. Maybe a IO, IH, IS, and a little -none for a more chill night at a lounge bar or house party. Thoughts? ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2011, 3:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/retrofitting-your-game/49909/4 "2011-04-17T03:43:07Z")
> [@Extended periodization program for pheromones (long post)](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/extended-periodization-program-for-pheromones-long-post/40149): > > Since posting here I’ve seen numerous threads and posts about the problem/issue/whatever of people growing accustomed to your signal. By the same token there’s the issue of your signal changing too dramatically from one day the next, which in my opinion carry the risk of the vibe people getting from you feeling too inconsistant and therefor people may get a sense of you not being somebody they truly know and thus not trustworthy. So this gave me a problem to solve, how can I continue to get sol… > [@Septerra](#): > > Hey all, I have been reading through the forum a lot and I’ve come across a few of mixes that seem like they could be awesome (mostly having a314 or ammo mixed with some socials). However, I do have a question pertaining to how people go about introducing these mixes to prospective dates. > > It seems like having a superb mix that portrays the comfortability factor as well as the alpha male factor is ideal for mostly any situation you would go up against with a woman. > > Now, with respect to your testing and mixing efforts, would it be a better idea to retrofit in these factors rather than introduce them all at once? > > What I mean is…say you’ll have a social mix that is geared towards creating a comfort and trust basis with a girl (say IO, IH, IS, ammo/a314), and you use that for a bit, and then slowly introduce mones like tuth and a higher dose of ammo/a314, or even replace the socials with these, for when you want to make your move. Do you feel this just a waste of time, or could it be a better alternative to creating that all-encompassing confusion-of-brain-activity mix. > > This question is posed for both contexts of meeting single girls as well as building a relationship if this person is what you’re looking for. ---
**Author:** ![Astrea](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/astrea/32/1928_2.png) [@Astrea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Astrea)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2011, 5:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/retrofitting-your-game/49909/5 "2011-04-17T05:06:14Z")
> [@RADMAN513](#): > > [Extended periodization program for pheromones (long post)](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/extended-periodization-program-for-pheromones-long-post/40149) RadMan! This is truly a rad read. I know everything is in the Forum, but to anyone’s knowledge (just so I can actually find it); has anyone done this kind of workup for the girls? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Septerra](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/septerra/32/196_2.png) [@Septerra](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Septerra)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2011, 5:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/retrofitting-your-game/49909/6 "2011-04-17T05:39:34Z")
Wow, many steps ahead Radman…great stuff there. I’ve read through the thread and notice you said you were developing another progression due to the lack of mx301. Have you done that, or is there an alternative comfort mone that would replace 301? Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2011, 3:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/retrofitting-your-game/49909/7 "2011-04-17T15:43:14Z")
> [@Astrea](#): > > RadMan! This is truly a rad read. I know everything is in the Forum, but to anyone’s knowledge (just so I can actually find it); has anyone done this kind of workup for the girls? 😛 To my knowledge it hasn’t been done and at this current point and time I don’t know for sure that it can be…at least not to the extent that the program I designed was done. There simply isn’t enough womens oriented products to work a progression like this. The best I think a woman could do would be to follow the steps for the social progression, IO to CTTM2 to IH for the progressively deepening sense of connection run concurrently with [Instant Sexiness](https://phera.com/product/instant-sexiness/) of which there is only one version of now. Not to say that adding certain putatives and experimones wouldn’t work but you’d be better served asking the ladies in their forum about what products would work for a female equivalent to this. ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2011, 3:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/retrofitting-your-game/49909/8 "2011-04-17T15:56:06Z")
> [@Septerra](#): > > Wow, many steps ahead Radman…great stuff there. I’ve read through the thread and notice you said you were developing another progression due to the lack of mx301. Have you done that, or is there an alternative comfort mone that would replace 301? Thanks! I haven’t reworked it yet, but given the effects I’ve witnessed with it, if and when [P130](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p130/) becomes available for regular purchases I may include it. The new progression won’t remove TuTH for MX301. I’m thinking I’ll keep the blatant sexuality and instead of replacing it, enhance it with a heavy comfort mix. I haven’t decided on ratio’s yet but I’m looking into P74 P78 P83 P86 P130 None would be unnecessary since I’d still be using TuTH. And the Bnol and TAA would be redundant since I’d already be on multiple sprays of IH and Shine. ---
**Author:** ![Septerra](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/septerra/32/196_2.png) [@Septerra](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Septerra)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2011, 5:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/retrofitting-your-game/49909/9 "2011-04-17T17:08:13Z")
So, MX301 was a comfort/boyfriend safety kind of signal? If so, why not re-introduce IG at a higher dosage than 1x if 301 isn’t available. Doesn’t IG portray a very similar vibe? Maybe with an IH thrown in to give it a more connecting dimension. Sorry If I’m throwing out stupid questions or assumptive suggestions…I’m just trying to better understand the signals really, there’s a lot to learn!! ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2011, 6:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/retrofitting-your-game/49909/10 "2011-04-17T18:18:07Z")
> [@Septerra](#): > > So, MX301 was a comfort/boyfriend safety kind of signal? If so, why not re-introduce IG at a higher dosage than 1x if 301 isn’t available. Doesn’t IG portray a very similar vibe? Maybe with an IH thrown in to give it a more connecting dimension. > > Sorry If I’m throwing out stupid questions or assumptive suggestions…I’m just trying to better understand the signals really, there’s a lot to learn!! Not totally, it was an attraction vibe but from my own experiences a more boyfriend quality vibe than a simple “attractive guy” vibe. The reason I chose not to reintroduce IG was because the progression to A314 would make it redundant imo. IG is like a softer A314 and the goal isn’t so much to soften A314 but rather to add other aspects to it. See the model as it’s originally written is designed for a few things. 1.) to gradually escalate the vibes of Social, Sexual, and Respect oriented products…ie the socials progress from the light, fun and care free chit chat of IO to the deeper communication of IH. and likewise with the other products. The goal being to slowly change the vibe in a structured way as opposed to random and haphazard jumping back and forth between signals. 2.) the breaks in between cycles and rising and falling wave pattern is for the purpose of giving those who you interact with regularly a break from a signal. This way it allows the impression to settle in without the use of mones. ( A314 gives the alpha impression, continuing to act alpha during the break solidifies it in their mind) and to prime the brain for the return to a similar but slightly modified signal later. (1 drop of A314 gave you some Alpha status, then a week off to maintain Alpha status minus the signal, then come back with an even stronger Alpha signal) Now the products chosen were chosen for very specific reasons. IO to CTTM2 to IH is a pretty obvious progression and I won’t bother to explain it further. Now [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) is a very well rounded and still reasonably work safe (especially when buffered by respect and social products) general attraction product. Progressing to TuTH escalates it to a more sexual vibe. Transitioning from a sexy man, to a sexual man. Doing this with Ammo and TuTH alone is risky in certain environments. But…by doing it while shifting from Anol to Bnol and IG progressing on up to A314 (using 297 as a bridge product) the sexual vibe you send off is enhanced with a gradually deepening sense of connection and a perception of value and status. 301 was actually a sexual/attraction product but it seemed to be more along the lines of love than lust, it was a great compliment to A314 and MX347 (the first A314 spray) and worked extremely well on younger women. I got most of my hits from women 25 and under, I turn 39 next month. Now IG does have the vibe of masculine warmth and comfort in many ways, but also seems to tame None a little. When dealing with escalating sexual and romantic attraction with women you see regularly this is not needed as A.) they should already be acclimated to your none oriented signals, and B.) the other products should already be buffering/steering it. The goal in the final stages it for the strong sexual TuTH vibe to be there, but for the connection of IH, the status of A314 and some more comfort bonding products (as mentioned in the previous post) to make the sexual nature of TuTH feel more natural and acceptable…not to reign it in which I suspect IG may do. But as with anything…I am not the final say on mones, plenty of other people here have FAR more experience and knowledge than I do…oh and then of course there’s the inherent value of the scientific method, ie if it sounds like it might work…try it out and see.😃 ---
**Author:** ![Septerra](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/septerra/32/196_2.png) [@Septerra](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Septerra)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2011, 7:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/retrofitting-your-game/49909/11 "2011-04-17T19:03:41Z")
Awesome Radman…clarification successful. I didn’t realize that IG would buffer a314 like that. I guess good 'ole trial and error is necessary to find these things out. Also, now I better understand how your progression model works, as it not only progresses on a macro [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/) scale (slowly building rapport and transitioning to a more alpha presence) but it encompasses a micro scale (transitions between alike mones such as IG to MX297 to a314). Great stuff, lots of thought put into that one! I might need to read through it a couple more times so I don’t ask you questions that you’ve already answered almost a year ago :o