# returning my pheros..\*Sighs\* **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [July 24, 2011, 3:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/returning-my-pheros-sighs/51404 "2011-07-24T15:32:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![lostguy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a4c791/32.png) [@lostguy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lostguy)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2011, 3:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/returning-my-pheros-sighs/51404/1 "2011-07-24T15:32:47Z")
so havent been on here for some time… but while back spoke to steve and he had told me to exp with ammo .. as in the forums.. spray 3 day and the next 3 day nonthing then again ya’ll get what im saying but I haven yet to really get a solid hit…I can’t test TUTH well kinda did test it at a bar but nothing at work i can’t use it..(bought it for my wife but i barely see her these days) so no use … IS and IH really didnt seem to do much… NPA i cant understand the dosage… either nothing comes out or a shit load comes out.. of that little hole.. so idk maybe this isnt for me.. so im gonna back out.. maybe someday i’ll give A314 a shot… there is not much left in ammo so idk how much of a refund i’ll get back.. lets see ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2011, 4:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/returning-my-pheros-sighs/51404/2 "2011-07-24T16:07:14Z")
> [@lostguy](#): > > so havent been on here for some time… but while back spoke to steve and he had told me to exp with ammo .. as in the forums.. spray 3 day and the next 3 day nonthing then again ya’ll get what im saying but I haven yet to really get a solid hit…I can’t test TUTH well kinda did test it at a bar but nothing at work i can’t use it..(bought it for my wife but i barely see her these days) so no use … IS and IH really didnt seem to do much… NPA i cant understand the dosage… either nothing comes out or a shit load comes out.. of that little hole.. so idk maybe this isnt for me.. so im gonna back out.. maybe someday i’ll give A314 a shot… there is not much left in ammo so idk how much of a refund i’ll get back.. lets see Well I don’t work for AD so don’t take this as AD trying to get out of refunding you…they’re an awesome company and guarantee their stuff solidly. I just like to try to be helpful. I think one thing you should have done is actually continue posting here for a while. You’d be amazed at what you can learn from others experiences. Another thing, and I’ve advised this to newbies before is to establish a baseline. You see most people are going around in a walking daze and acting on autopilot. Minor, but valid and significant changes in the behavior of the people around them tend to go unnoticed. So much so that anything less than a ridiculously exaggerated “Axe Effect” won’t register. I advise most new people to take a week or so before actually using their [pheromones](https://a314.com/) to make note (either mental or literal) of the behaviors and moods of the people around them. How talkative are they?, Do they interrupt when you talk or are they more respectful, how often are you greeted with smiles?, how often does this person initiate physical contact? Does this person look you in the eye when they speak or do they look down? How about when YOU speak? etc. It’s actually quite common for people to get results and not even know it. That’s the thing about these products…negative reactions like None OD are easy to spot, but the positive reactions tend to be subtle and often require a degree of social awareness to spot them, and social intelligence to capitalize on them. Now imo TuTH at the bar was a bad idea, I think Ammo and IO would have been better for that environment. IH…to be honest much like yourself when I first tried IH I just didn’t get it, I thought it was a less fun version of IO. After I realized what to look for I found it works wonders for creating a sense of connection and rapport. It can be talkative but not necessarily. Thing about IH is people are more inclined to trust you, they’ll be more likely to tell you things that you’d normally think they want to keep private, and likewise, they’ll be more inclined to take what you have to say at face value. As for NPA…while I myself have never used it, from what I understand it’s not supposed to be applied directly. That’s a sure fire way to get a None OD. Too much None can have numerous negative effects ranging from Ghosting, where people ignore and avoid you, Aggression…where you wish you were being ghosted, or the signal is simply so strong as to not be believable and is thus disregarded and no effect at all is noticed. To use NPA I would suggest getting either a spray bottle from AD or at least a Sephora Atomizer and pour One Part NPA to Five Parts of your favorite cologne and apply that way. That’s what the A in NPA stands for…New Pheromone **ADDITIVE.** Anyway, I’m sorry you feel these products haven’t worked out for you. And I acknowlege that they might not work for or even ON everyone but I believe that being more aware of the little things that normally go unnoticed…and how to capitalize on those signs is the best way to make the most of some great products. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2011, 4:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/returning-my-pheros-sighs/51404/3 "2011-07-24T16:08:34Z")
Before you give-up on the NPA, have a read of these two threads, which cover or link to a lot of info on using it effectively. > [@I want to know more about NPA....](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/i-want-to-know-more-about-npa/27499): > > Okay, I will always be a loyal Androtics customer, but I really want to know more about this NPA product from “Love Scent”… I just want to know is it really necessary to mix NPA with other colognes and after shaves?? Can’t I just wear NPA by itself?? Also, can anybody share any good NPA stories about sucessful “hits”?? Thanks all! > [@How to apply NPA effectively????](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-apply-npa-effectively/27698): > > Okay, today I experimented with NPA for the first time and my results were not so good. I tried to pour 1 drop on my wrist, but the bottle leaked what I guess was approximately 5 drops all at once. So, I immediately washed off a small amount of NPA. I then smeared some of the remaining NPA all around my wrists. I then applied 3 sprays of MX292 to my wrists… I won’t go into details, but I had really TERRIBLE results with the above mixes while at a fast food restaurant and then at work. So… … It sounds to me like you are trying to use it straight from the bottle, undilluted - Which is a recipe for OD if you ask me. It also needs to be mixed with a scent to work well. Have you looked at your behaviour/body language as well? IME, all the advantage of pheros are lost if you are not congruent with the signal they send. Good luck whatever your decision. 🙂 ETA - Why can’t I thank you Rad? That is superb advice! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![lostguy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a4c791/32.png) [@lostguy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lostguy)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2011, 4:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/returning-my-pheros-sighs/51404/4 "2011-07-24T16:44:10Z")
this was more advice i could ask for… i’m sure i may have done these things a bit diff… i have noticed that im very different after wearing it well.. not that different but the “axe affect” is by far the last thing i want.. just wanted to know if i’d get a hit… like i said im not saying these products don’t work.. .. i might invest this towards A314… cause that was my initial target but ended up with other stuff.. and NPA you are right about adding it but i also read if i apply it and spray a clone over it.. but then again the mix isn’t calculated .. so not much point to it.. like i said i haven’t given up on this yet.. maybe for now but not all the way… this was the only company to give me some actual support.. lol so not done yet i might just hit with a314 and IS and NPA.. see where that takes me.. " i kinda know how to read body language" so i know if there is any interest at all from the other person…regardless of sex.. oh well.. lets see what the future holds.. ( i guess i have yet to find a sweet spot… correctly but to damn costly for me at the moment… lol ---
**Author:** ![John\_Sebastian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/john_sebastian/32/1060_2.png) [@John\_Sebastian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/John_Sebastian)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2011, 5:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/returning-my-pheros-sighs/51404/5 "2011-07-24T17:19:12Z")
Lostguy please don’t post assumptions like that about our refund policy if you havent even looked into it- as you may confuse others. No matter how much is left in the bottle you return we **always** give a full refund for the product itself. Call us Monday. ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2011, 5:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/returning-my-pheros-sighs/51404/6 "2011-07-24T17:22:57Z")
> [@John\_Sebastian](#): > > Lostguy please don’t post assumptions like that about our refund policy if you havent even looked into it- as you may confuse others. > > No matter how much is left in the bottle you return we **always** give a full refund for the product itself. > > Call us Monday. Told ya they were awesome 😃 ---
**Author:** ![lostguy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a4c791/32.png) [@lostguy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lostguy)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2011, 5:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/returning-my-pheros-sighs/51404/7 "2011-07-24T17:39:59Z")
> [@RADMAN513](#): > > Told ya they were awesome 😃 lol sry i wasn’t assuming .. i guess i know.. but yeah my bad well ---
**Author:** ![John\_Sebastian](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/john_sebastian/32/1060_2.png) [@John\_Sebastian](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/John_Sebastian)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2011, 5:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/returning-my-pheros-sighs/51404/8 "2011-07-24T17:48:48Z")
> [@lostguy](#): > > lol sry i wasn’t assuming .. i guess i know.. but yeah my bad well We will totally take care if you. Obviously I can’t speak for the NPA, but I’d really like to see you use your refund to give something else a go if you can. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![millwark](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/millwark/32/560_2.png) [@millwark](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/millwark)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2011, 7:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/returning-my-pheros-sighs/51404/9 "2011-07-24T19:00:30Z")
I may be making assumptions here, but the op comes across kind of negative and down. First off, people aren’t attracted to others who are like that. That may be why the [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) didn’t work as you’d hoped. I would simply go with the A314…as it will lift you up, first, in your own mind, and then to other people. That right there is quite possibly where you’ll begin to see the true benefits of pheros. Let’s start at the beginning. ---
**Author:** ![lostguy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a4c791/32.png) [@lostguy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lostguy)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2011, 2:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/returning-my-pheros-sighs/51404/10 "2011-07-25T02:03:49Z")
> [@millwark](#): > > I may be making assumptions here, but the op comes across kind of negative and down. First off, people aren’t attracted to others who are like that. That may be why the Ammo didn’t work as you’d hoped. I would simply go with the A314…as it will lift you up, first, in your own mind, and then to other people. That right there is quite possibly where you’ll begin to see the true benefits of pheros. Let’s start at the beginning. hehe lets start again at the beginning ehh?.. lol most likely i will have too ---
**Author:** ![aftermath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/77aa72/32.png) [@aftermath](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/aftermath)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2011, 3:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/returning-my-pheros-sighs/51404/11 "2011-07-25T03:41:26Z")
> [@John\_Sebastian](#): > > Lostguy please don’t post assumptions like that about our refund policy if you havent even looked into it- as you may confuse others. > > No matter how much is left in the bottle you return we **always** give a full refund for the product itself. > > Call us Monday. That’s amazing! how do you guys stay in business with a policy like that? ---
**Author:** ![kSage](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbce88/32.png) [@kSage](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/kSage)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2011, 3:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/returning-my-pheros-sighs/51404/12 "2011-07-25T03:48:48Z")
lostguy, I suggest you read this thread I wrote way back when: > [@How to think about pheremones' effects](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/how-to-think-about-pheremones-effects/16064): > > Now that I’ve been using SmartMones for over a year, I’m writing the intro post that I wish had been there for me to read when I got started. There are some other great posts about what the different [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) and combos do, so I won’t go into that here. Instead I want to talk about setting realistic expectations and using pheromones for the best results. First off, pheromones work. Just accept it. They do not, however, work as obviously and clearly as a hammer on a nail. (More on how the… It’s about setting appropriate expectations for how pheromones work and how to notice their effects. I wrote it after experimenting with pheromones for over a year as the post I wish I’d read at the start to guide me not on what to use or how to use it (there were already great posts on that) but rather on how to be the best experimenter/observer I could be of these pheromone tests. kSage ---
**Author:** ![millwark](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/millwark/32/560_2.png) [@millwark](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/millwark)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2011, 4:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/returning-my-pheros-sighs/51404/13 "2011-07-25T04:26:01Z")
> [@aftermath](#): > > That’s amazing! how do you guys stay in business with a policy like that? Because the stuff works…plain and simple. I’ve been a paying customer for a number of years now. I wasn’t paid to say that either. I speak from experience. I’ve come a long way. You should have seen me trying to figure some of this stuff out. I searched this forum high and low and asked a lot of questions, but mainly, I tried things out until I gained my own experiences and went from there. The first thing to point out is always try the basics first. A314, some Ammo and maybe some [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/). ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2011, 5:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/returning-my-pheros-sighs/51404/14 "2011-07-25T05:05:42Z")
If you’re looking for specific effects then tell us in detail what you want to achieve. If you want to be a sorta phero enthusiast that really knows this stuff then work your way down the consumer line and find your sweet spot for everything. Side note, regarding the woman…while a single application might help to create a mood…and I mean HELP, not totally do the job, the most powerful effects are created with regular prolonged exposure. Remember, it’s not like “spray product A and target will become horny”. These are communication signals, so when the signal hits somebody that already thinks they know you and has their own notions about you as a person…there can be some resistance. With prolonged and regular exposure people begin to subconsciously say “ahhhh so he HAS changed a little and THIS is who he is now.” Strangers react immediately as it’s part of their initial first impression of you. With a friend, family member or lover you’re dealing with an impression that’s been built over weeks, months or even years and trying to change that impression in hours. If you wear the same product 3-4 days a week for a couple of weeks however then you start to see changes. ---
**Author:** ![lostguy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a4c791/32.png) [@lostguy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lostguy)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2011, 4:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/returning-my-pheros-sighs/51404/15 "2011-07-28T04:18:12Z")
maybe my testing wasnt at the best.. i mean i know what to look for and such…i think i should test with A314 as it was my first initial choice but because of price i couldn’t I have more then half of tuth left 1/4 of ammo and idk if i want to return IH because there is barely any left.. i mean I know how andros are to accept any amount back for a full refund… but i wouldn’t feel happy about that.. but anyway im thinking if i return this stuff and use the refund/creds for A314 .. you know i know ammo is power full but i think i have to do more learning before understanding it… i did go through the website for the returns.. i dont know what to do next do i have to contact or someone will contact me?.. someone please let me know thank you ---
**Author:** ![millwark](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/millwark/32/560_2.png) [@millwark](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/millwark)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2011, 4:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/returning-my-pheros-sighs/51404/16 "2011-07-28T04:31:27Z")
> [@lostguy](#): > > you know i know ammo is power full but **i think i have to do more learning before understanding it** … Well…young Padawan, the learning process comes with using the products as well as asking lots of questions on the forum. Just a thought, but maybe you did get results…? It’s possible and even likely that you simply did not know how to interpret the reactions in other people. You may have even thought that they were just being themselves. What I find works is knowing how certain people act towards you normally, and then later, trying on a product to see if that person reacts differently than normal to the use of that product. Also, you’ll need to learn how to properly interact with people who are affected by your pheromone usage to appreciate the full benefits of the products. It will take time, but you can grow into pheromones and they can help you enrich your life, but it will take effort on your part. Take the next step…you can do it. ---
**Author:** ![lostguy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a4c791/32.png) [@lostguy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lostguy)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2011, 4:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/returning-my-pheros-sighs/51404/17 "2011-07-28T04:37:21Z")
> [@millwark](#): > > Well…young Padawan, the learning process comes with using the products as well as asking lots of questions on the forum. Just a thought, but maybe you did get results…? It’s possible and even likely that you simply did not know how to interpret the reactions in other people. You may have even thought that they were just being themselves. > > What I find works is knowing how certain people act towards you normally, and then later, trying on a product to see if that person reacts differently than normal to the use of that product. It will take time, but you can grow into pheromones and they can help you enrich your life, but it will take effort on your part. > > Take the next step… at ork.. well for around a month or so i understood how everyone is.. til i got pheros… all of them peeps are still the same i mean I’m the one to watch with an eagle eye… you may look at me and say oh hes not looking here… but infect my whole mind eyes ears are there… ⭕rolleyes: .. even if im sleep..half of my mind is woken .. and friends have tried to prank me and im able to pull back just before anything happens.. idk something clicks in my mind… not saying im the master at such but im able to pickup a sign if someone shows interest in me or there behavior is different towards me.. hmm call me a weird freak… ---
**Author:** ![mariocisneros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d2c977/32.png) [@mariocisneros](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mariocisneros)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2011, 9:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/returning-my-pheros-sighs/51404/18 "2011-07-28T09:05:21Z")
> [@lostguy](#): > > at ork.. well for around a month or so i understood how everyone is.. til i got pheros… all of them peeps are still the same i mean I’m the one to watch with an eagle eye… you may look at me and say oh hes not looking here… but infect my whole mind eyes ears are there… ⭕rolleyes: .. even if im sleep..half of my mind is woken .. and friends have tried to prank me and im able to pull back just before anything happens.. > > idk something clicks in my mind… not saying im the master at such but im able to pickup a sign if someone shows interest in me or there behavior is different towards me.. hmm call me a weird freak… Hey there brow! I just wanted to put my little grain of sand in here 🙂 You could say that I’m a “new” user to pheromones, since I have only used them once before. Right now I’m waiting for my next shipment since I wasn’t being able to place another order, but I wanna tell u that my experiences with the pheromones that first time were just amazing. The first time I ordered a full bottle of AMMO, a TO-GO bottle of IS, IH and TUTH. They put in for me a TO-GO bottle of IG as a gift, which I didn’t get to use since I received it empty, but anyways, I greatly thanks the guys! First of all, I read in the forum a lot, which everyone is great and very helpful in here, before I could make my first order, I wanted to learn how to use them, and what to get from them according to my goals and needs. Also, I read about the sweet spot test, which I did so I could get the best benefits out of the mones. Let me tell u that I was really amazed with the results, to the point that I kept telling my friends how worried I was about running out of mones, and how I would love to have a gallon of each! LoL… My confidence level raised a lot , I felt so confident, the way a walked, the way I talked to people, and the best, the way I spoke and gamed with the ladies! After finishing my mones, I kept all that confidence, and I can tell u that u can get the best out of it making a good chemistry with them, and behaving according to what u are using. I got tons of stories, and I met so many women thanks to them, but as the guys said and keep saying all the time, do not expect the mones to do magic and all do work for u; u definitively are the big part of that magic. Learn how to read body language, that’s a must, like Radman said, most of the signals will go unnoticed if you do not learn how to read them, and watch carefully for people’s behavior that u alrdy know. I’m in Mexico right now, and it’s pretty difficult to get the mones in here, but not impossible… I did a lot of effort the first time to get my mones in here, tried many ways, but finally got them 😉 and I’m really glad I did! For my second order, which already have been delivered to my friend in the US border and will bring them to me in the next 2 weeks, consists of all full bottles of AMMO 2X, TUTH 2X, IO 2X and IJ. Why did I order Double strenght mones? Because after experimenting with the Mexican women, I found out that they are not as vulnerable to mones, and found myself applying much pheromones and felt like a walking cologne, but I certainly got the results I desired with the correct use 🙂 Also bought big bottles because this products are so amazing that I don’t want to run out of them anytime soon! hehe… I only overdosed once, and that was definitively my mistake, since I thought I applied IS when I did apply TUTH and applied TUTH again haha, that was pretty funny, since things were going greaaat! and I went to the car, applied TUTH, and suddenly every girl just ran away hahahaaha… later I figured that I did apply TUTH instead of IS haha.. oh well! Learned from the experience to be more careful about that! Anyways bro, do not get discouraged, since this are great products, and also want to let u know that I do not work for the company as Radman stated as well… I just wanted to share my great experiences with this products and I want u to do too! Hope I didn’t bore u guys with my post! My best wishes always!