# Riding dirty with p83 **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [March 20, 2012, 10:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/riding-dirty-with-p83/54981 "2012-03-20T22:44:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2012, 8:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/riding-dirty-with-p83/54981/21 "2012-03-29T08:15:46Z")
> [@Mark\_38](#): > > It is definitely an option I will look into Ray, from the ingredients listed on their website I can not see any substances that are prohibited in Australia and I can not read the list posted by M&M to see if there are any additional. > > I am thinking that buying the separate individual ingredients may turn out expensive and also thinking I will end up having to take a bucket load of pills which I will struggle to do at bedtime. > > But will stop on the way home tonight and see what is actually available here If you google Roys’s Life Extension’s GH Pituitary Support Day and Night formula to get the list of its ingredients, it would be an easier task as for buying the products seperately, being that it has the IMPORTANT basic GH ingredients, Mark. ---
**Author:** ![Roy\_Dillon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/roy_dillon/32/1380_2.png) [@Roy\_Dillon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Roy_Dillon)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2012, 8:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/riding-dirty-with-p83/54981/22 "2012-03-29T08:43:28Z")
> [@M\_M](#): > > If you google Roys’s Life Extension’s GH Pituitary Support Day and Night formula to get the list of its ingredients, it would be an easier task as for buying the products seperately, being that it has the IMPORTANT basic GH ingredients, Mark. Mark, I know Australia went apeshit on Sly Stallone a few years back when he was caught with some injectable HGH but I hope their paranoia doesn’t extend to simple HGH inducing ingredients (mainly amino acids), but a quick check at the health stores will tell you all you need to know. I hope they are available for your health’s sake! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Roy\_Dillon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/roy_dillon/32/1380_2.png) [@Roy\_Dillon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Roy_Dillon)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2012, 8:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/riding-dirty-with-p83/54981/23 "2012-03-29T08:54:21Z")
I really think us older (more mature sounds better, right? 😉) dudes can appear to be much younger to the younger ladies who are our targets if our behavior & wardrobe match our youthful vibe; if our phero signature also subtlely announces the same vibe, then we are pretty congruent with what we are attempting to project. Increasing my personal production of endogenous HGH has also resulted in a dramatically more youthful appearance than my actual chronological age should indicate; again I am universally perceived as being in my early 40’s which opens the door to gals in their 20’s & certainly ladies in their 30’s because some younger women are dissatisfied with males their own age who have no game or haven’t taken the time to develop a personal style that isn’t the same as every other 20 something dude they run across. But I’m grateful that younger studs are still as clueless about women as they were when I was in my 20’s. Thats why I dig this forum & the gents on it cos they are actively seeking ways & methods to up their game & their personal self worth in the process. Kudos to each of you here at AD, keep going forward by learning & having the guts to practice, practice, practice. And wear those damn mones til ya find that sweet spot 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Roy\_Dillon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/roy_dillon/32/1380_2.png) [@Roy\_Dillon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Roy_Dillon)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2012, 9:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/riding-dirty-with-p83/54981/24 "2012-03-30T09:28:52Z")
Two days ago I wore 1s TUTH lower abs, 2s IO back of neck, 2s IH each side of neck, 1s 20 mcg [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) to front of neck (wearing a mone necklace :roll eyes 🙂, 1 drop A314 rubbed forearms together & went about my biz. For lunch I went to my fave restaurant where the hot mgr works. I was greeted by the cute hostess w/yummy large knockers (she always wears LOW cut blouses 😛) & was seated. I had a current copy of April’s Esquire magazine that a lady friend gave to me cos it had a quiz/ survey on SEX inside & she wanted me to review the article & give her my opinions later, so I was reading the article when the cute lil mgr came to my table asking “what are you reading?” & I say “You pry didn’t think I could read, huh?..surprise!” & she giggles & says “oh, I’m sure you’re FULL of surprises” & I flip the mag to its cover which trumpets in big letters “SEX” with a picture of a half naked woman too, and hottie’s eyes get WIDE and she leans in real close to get a better look (thats right honey, get a whiff of my mone necklace plz!) & she takes the mag into her space on the table & sees these yellow highlighted questions (that my gal pal had highlighted) & she asks “why are these highlighted?” so I explain the deal…“is she pretty?” I’m asked, "oh yes, very, her husband doesn’t appreciate how pretty she is…“and she replies “Yeah I know how that goes” but I can tell she’s struggling with her jealousy of this unknown, unseen woman who gave me a magazine all about SEX 😉 I didn’t say any more about her cos I want to remain a complete mystery to my hot mgr with the BF of five years. So she’s reading the article & commenting on the questions, reading out loud “So whats your favorite position…cowgirl, doggie or missionary?” & I reply “all of them, I always go from one to the other cos they’re all so delightful” & she blushes but is absent- mindedly grinning. This goes on for a full five minutes with her asking me questions in the survey “so can you last more than 15 minutes before ejaculating?” (which is the longest category amongst the choices) & I reply “seriously, 15 minutes? Thats called ‘stretching’, just a warm up for the real work out” & she gives me a sly grin. Then the hostess comes over & asks what we’re looking at & hottie shows her & she gets very interested too! I know the p83, IO & IH are lowering their inhibitions cos they’re discussing this article on sex with me like its an article on woman’s purses or something neutral like that 😛 The hostess reads a question “Have you ever shot a video of yourself having sex with your partner?” & looks at me; so does hot mgr - “It was HER IDEA & I let her keep the micro card…” they were caught off guard, slightly alarmed & turned on at the same time. “I could never do that cos I don’t even like seeing myself naked in the mirror” the big titted hostess says & I reply “its always that way until you do it the first time & accept how hot you really do look, we’re always our own harshest critic, believe me you’d look super hot” & I laugh & she starts playing with her hair. Suddenly hot mgr grabs the mag from the hostess & points to the front door “someone’s waiting to be seated!” so now we’re all alone…and she continues quizzing me for my responses to the survey! This is great cos now Ive got her discussing sex with ME despite having a BF in the wings somewhere. Oh yeah, when she would ask me a question I would answer & say"Do you like it when a guy can last more than fifteen minutes?”, her reply “I’m sure I would!” and sweeps her hair behind her left ear (so I know her BF doesn’t last past 15 minutes - an obvious dissatisfaction on her part). “I’m so sorry for you” I say, “but I’m sure he makes up for it in other ways” & she replies “he dresses like a teen age boy with his goofy ball caps & he makes very little money at his job which is why I have to work so hard & be the responsible one in the relationship”…oh my, IH just opening the floodgates to her true feelings! Awesome right? 😃 So the other purposes of mones are becoming very apparent to me (besides initiating attraction). They are remodeling the restaurant by re-upholstering the booths & replacing worn carpet tiles so a foreman comes up to us & asks hottie if he can ask her some questions about work to be done so she has to leave but gives me a sideways look and says “that was fun!” & off she goes. I finish my meal & have to hustle out to meet a client and she waves goodbye to me from across the restaurant, watching me at the register. I would say her Interest Level is around 95% and I am struggling with if I want to put forth the effort required to properly seduce a woman with a BF, even if she is dissatisfied with him on so many counts. She is very hot & only 27 years old (half my age!..yum) so I might make another decision with that other head (I know, you’re right other head, you’re always right…) 😃 ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2012, 2:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/riding-dirty-with-p83/54981/25 "2012-03-31T14:43:01Z")
I enjoy your reports, Wild Child! 😉 What strength of TUTH do you own, Roy … 2.5 or 5.0? Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![Roy\_Dillon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/roy_dillon/32/1380_2.png) [@Roy\_Dillon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Roy_Dillon)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2012, 3:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/riding-dirty-with-p83/54981/26 "2012-03-31T15:53:36Z")
> [@M\_M](#): > > I enjoy your reports, Wild Child! 😉 > > What strength of TUTH do you own, Roy … 2.5 or 5.0? > > Thanks! Its the 2.5 version but seems to "Get “er done” ,LOL 😛 Hows everything with you my man? Enjoying those bedtime pills? Give em time, they will rock your world killer! Do you have a “everyday Mix” u utilize consistently M&M? Mind sharing it with me? I’m also trying my hand at doing up a Journal so its there for the viewing… ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2012, 4:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/riding-dirty-with-p83/54981/27 "2012-03-31T16:14:28Z")
> [@Roy\_Dillon](#): > > Its the 2.5 version but seems to "Get “er done” ,LOL 😛 > > Hows everything with you my man? Enjoying those bedtime pills? Give em time, they will rock your world killer! > > Do you have a “everyday Mix” u utilize consistently M&M? Mind sharing it with me? Pills are in the mail! 😉 Curious to know if you cycle yours, are you an everyday man? I read up, and it is highly advise 5 on 2 off for three months … on month off, and repeat. It made PERFECT sense. My hanging out time has been limited for the last past months … AGE. But … my mixes varies, depending on my mood … NAUGHTY or NICE. **NAUGHTY** … 2 drops of A314, 2 sprays of IS to my face, and 20 mcgs of TUTH or two drops of NPA or two sprays of cologne:NPA 4:1. **NICE WITH AN ATTITUDE** … 2 drops of A314 and 3-4 sprays of AMMO. That can GET naughty, too, depending on the nose of the beholder. I’ve been known to bath in -none during full moons! Two sprays of TUTH covered by two sprays of AMMO, and 2 sprays of IS to the face. Daring somebody’s daughter to make THAT mistake! 🆒 There are so many things that I play with. When it’s time for a session of NAKED TWISTER … my mix of Dirty, [Raw Power](https://a314.com/product/raw-power/), NPA and AE comes out. M to M, to the mistaker: **"GONNA HAVE TO PUT MY HANDCUFFS ON YOU BAAAAAAABY!** **AND GUESS WHAT!!! EVERYTHING IN MY CUFFS … BELONGS TO ME!** **YEAH, I KNOW. I FORGOT TO MENTION THE PRETTY, SOFT, BLACK SILK SCARF. GOTTA MAKE SURE THERE’S NO PEEPING! YOU CAN WATCH ME THROUGH YOUR EVERY NERVE ENDING!" 😃** I can NOT believe how much they like it! They like it! 😛 There you have it, Sir! Served up with a slice of ‘YOU DIDN’T KNOW!?’ and a nice twist of ATTITUDE! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Roy\_Dillon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/roy_dillon/32/1380_2.png) [@Roy\_Dillon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Roy_Dillon)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2012, 4:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/riding-dirty-with-p83/54981/28 "2012-03-31T16:43:38Z")
> [@M\_M](#): > > Pills are in the mail! 😉 > > Curious to know if you cycle yours, are you an everyday man? I read up, and it is highly advise 5 on 2 off for three months … on month off, and repeat. It made PERFECT sense. > > My hanging out time has been limited for the last past months … AGE. But … my mixes varies, depending on my mood … NAUGHTY or NICE. > > **NAUGHTY** … 2 drops of A314, 2 sprays of IS to my face, and 20 mcgs of TUTH or two drops of NPA or two sprays of cologne:NPA 4:1. > > **NICE WITH AN ATTITUDE** … 2 drops of A314 and 3-4 sprays of AMMO. That can GET naughty, too, depending on the nose of the beholder. > > I’ve been known to bath in -none during full moons! Two sprays of TUTH covered by two sprays of AMMO, and 2 sprays of IS to the face. Daring somebody’s daughter to make THAT mistake! 🆒 > > There are so many things that I play with. When it’s time for a session of NAKED TWISTER … my mix of Dirty, Raw Power, NPA and AE comes out. > > M to M, to the mistaker: **"GONNA HAVE TO PUT MY HANDCUFFS ON YOU BAAAAAAABY!** > > **AND GUESS WHAT!!! EVERYTHING IN MY CUFFS … BELONGS TO ME!** > > **YEAH, I KNOW. I FORGOT TO MENTION THE PRETTY, SOFT, BLACK SILK SCARF. GOTTA MAKE SURE THERE’S NO PEEPING! YOU CAN WATCH ME THROUGH YOUR EVERY NERVE ENDING!" 😃** > > I can NOT believe how much they like it! They like it! 😛 > > There you have it, Sir! Served up with a slice of ‘YOU DIDN’T KNOW!?’ and a nice twist of ATTITUDE! 😃 LOL! You rock dude, great attitude, even better methods! Love love love the cuffs & the ownership thereof 😛 If they play they have to PAY, right? 😉 Thanks for the mixology Sir Mixalot! Sounds very effective sir 😃 Curious here; we’re both the same age, do you find the mones help you score the 20-30 YO babes, or is that your target ages?? I can’t resist myself 😃 ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2012, 4:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/riding-dirty-with-p83/54981/29 "2012-03-31T16:49:53Z")
> [@Roy\_Dillon](#): > > LOL! You rock dude, great attitude, even better methods! Love love love the cuffs & the ownership thereof 😛 If they play they have to PAY, right? 😉 > Thanks for the mixology Sir Mixalot! Sounds very effective sir 😃 > Curious here; we’re both the same age, do you find the mones help you score the 20-30 YO babes, or is that your target ages?? I can’t resist myself 😃 Whatever blows your hair back, Roy! 😉 As of this VERY SECOND … my taste buds haven’t clicked over to craving the young and delicious, but I do grade ALL passerbyes. Tis something about a nice set of toilet grippers with matching legs that just deserves to be looked at and graded. I simply love a nice set of stuffed jeans, or one of those dresses that allows the viewer the pleasure of watching her wiggler, jiggle! IF it doesn’t jiggle, I don’t want any! I do, however, keep a packet of sweet and sour sauce on hand … just in case! 😉 Those young ones LOOK good, and are PROBABLY delicious, but I fear one may get stuck between my teeth! 🙄 “HEY, MISTER! THERE’S A LEG STUCK BETWEEN YOUR TEETH, AND I SEE A HAND WAVING!” Still … I coud be persuade, probably. If she gets me drunk and asks me nicely. ---
**Author:** ![Roy\_Dillon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/roy_dillon/32/1380_2.png) [@Roy\_Dillon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Roy_Dillon)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2012, 6:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/riding-dirty-with-p83/54981/30 "2012-03-31T18:01:47Z")
> [@M\_M](#): > > Whatever blows your hair back, Roy! 😉 As of this VERY SECOND … my taste buds haven’t clicked over to craving the young and delicious, but I do grade ALL passerbyes. Tis something about a nice set of toilet grippers with matching legs that just deserves to be looked at and graded. I simply love a nice set of stuffed jeans, or one of those dresses that allows the viewer the pleasure of watching her wiggler, jiggle! IF it doesn’t jiggle, I don’t want any! I do, however, keep a packet of sweet and sour sauce on hand … just in case! 😉 Those young ones LOOK good, and are PROBABLY delicious, but I fear one may get stuck between my teeth! 🙄 “HEY, MISTER! THERE’S A LEG STUCK BETWEEN YOUR TEETH, AND I SEE A HAND WAVING!” > > Still … I coud be persuade, probably. If she gets me drunk and asks me nicely. “One may get stuck between my teeth”!!!😮 In that case you’ll just have to suck on her til she melts in your mouth IMO…😛 Re: Cycling- I do 5 days on & 2 days off for 6 weeks, the I take 2 weeks off completely, then restart the same cycle. You do resting days & weeks to “rest” your pituitary, as I’m sure you already know. I have found that taking just 2 weeks off is completely satisfactory for the resting phase, just my 3 year experience in a nutshell. I hear ya about loving ladies of ALL ages bro, it just seems that this past year I’ve had GREAT luck w/the young ones; maybe its “daddy issues”, or their opinion that an older gent will treat them better or know how to be a better lover, whatever it might be I’m completely down with this streak of wet dripping luck 😉 And now the reintroduction of mones is just cementing this good fortune for me, making my game consistent w/my vibe. Gonna go snack on some young quiff now, wish me luck 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Roy\_Dillon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/roy_dillon/32/1380_2.png) [@Roy\_Dillon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Roy_Dillon)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2012, 4:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/riding-dirty-with-p83/54981/31 "2012-04-06T16:12:09Z")
Todays mone wardrobe: 1s TUTH to chest (Im really digging the horny self-effects the past few days) 1s p83 (20mcg)to front of neck 2s IO/1sIH to opposite sides of neck 2 drops a314 to forearms (so I can breathe deep too for self-effects) 1s AMMO to lower leg (I am wearing shorts today, nice weather 😃 ) No appts today so went to wash Caddy to take Chloe to dinner tonight in a gleaming ride; after car wash I dropped car off for a vacuum by the staff & went to sit down on a bench outside the office while I waited. There were 3 benches to choose from, only one had a pretty slender blonde sitting on it so I wanted to sit there too; as I approached the cute blonde I made eye contact & smiled & she smiled back & sorta patted the bench seat next to her, so I assumed that as an invitation to sit down & so I did. She looked at me & smiled & said “What a great day huh?” & I said it back to her. The mones must of hit her cos she got a VERY BIG GRIN on her face but said nothing! 😛, a true DIHL moment, just love those, so I asked “which baby is yours being detailed?” & she replied 'the GMC Yukon in front of us, which one is yours?" & I pointed to my Caddy. “Of course it is!” she quipped, “I would expect nothing less”…pry a high value feeling from the a314 ? but I said “thank you, your car is very nice too” & she started blathering non-stop about how dirty she lets it get cos she lives in the country about 45 minutes from town & then explained how she works in this area & has a long commute every day. All in all we talked about 10 minutes very nicely & she actually turned her seated body towards me so we could maintain eye contact throughout our convo. I noticed her HUGE wedding ring & suddenly they announced her car was ready & she said “so soon? I was just having fun” & I said “enjoy your Easter, maybe we’ll bump into one another again here” & she said “that would be nice” with that big grin that never seemed to leave her face. Then whoosh she was gone but looked back at me as she climbed into her Yukon 😉. Then my car was ready but as I was walking to it a HOT brunette in a very short LBD got out of her BMW SUV & she smiled at me as our paths crossed…nice parting bonus! I would have liked to open her up too but had to split to finish my errands, but man she was hot! These two female encounters really started my day off right & Ive been in an awesome mood ever since. I can’t wait to bone Chloe after dinner, haven’t seen her for several days to keep her on the hook, never NEVER NEVER make yourself TOO available to a chick, you young stallions, cos if you do then you lose all your mystery & then your desirability evaporates with your perceived neediness. Just a free tip 😉 for what its worth 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![MusikAddikt](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/musikaddikt/32/1576_2.png) [@MusikAddikt](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MusikAddikt)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2012, 6:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/riding-dirty-with-p83/54981/32 "2012-04-07T06:57:31Z")
I don’t know guys… Let’s take a step back here for a second. There are only 2 ingredients on that label that I do not get from either my pre workout supplements, my BCAA supps, or my protein powders. All of which contain far greater amounts of each ingredient listed at a fraction of the price. Compare that label to jack3d, rage, evolution x7, any BCAA product from optimum nutrition, or heck.. Any standard protein product out there is fortified with at least 4x the amount of stuff that’s on that label—and they want 100$$$ per bottle?!? A little thing about HGH products: Growth hormone secretagogues (GHSs) act at distinct levels to control growth hormone (GH) secretion. At the pituitary level they reinforce or extend a tonic GH-releasing-hormone (GHRH)-induced activated state by mobilizing intracellular Ca2+ store. At the hypothalamic level GHS actions are more complex than originally anticipated. Chronic treatments with GHS result in loss of responsiveness to the secretagogues, an effect probably accounted for by indirect negative feedback of GHS stimulated plasma GH levels over GHRH release. Moreover, intracerebroven-tricular treatments with GHS can have paradoxical, inhibitory effects on GH secretion. Several mechanisms can account for such dual effects. GHS receptors were found to extend far beyond the arcuate nucleus and are mainly coexpressed, by GHRH, somatostatin, and neuropeptide Y (NPY) neurons. Activation of GHRH neurons by GHS can be direct or indirect. Indeed using antisense strategy we found that sst1 are physiological activators of arcuate GHRH neurons and we propose that activation of SRIH arcuate interneurons by GHS can increase GHRH neuron activity. Moreover, GHS can stimulate distinct populations of NPY neurons having opposite effects on GH secretion: arcuate NPY interneurons, act as indirect facilitators of GHRH release, whereas, on the contrary, a different subset of NPY neurons projecting to the periventricular hypothalamus (those also involved in mediating leptin effects on GH) seems able to activate SRIH release. [http://www.springerlink.com/content/p3q42512765g761h/](http://www.springerlink.com/content/p3q42512765g761h/) In short what this means, if I deciphered correctly (and if my knowledge about testosterone boosting supplements coincides with HGH boosting supplements), is that your GH levels will be temporarily boosted but over the course of 2-3 months will plateau off and start to decline back down to their normal state. Then once you come off of whatever GH supplement you’re on your GH levels will decline even MORE-SO because your body has become dependent on the GH supplements and has in turn begun creating less of it on its own. It may take up to 6 months before your GH levels reach normal levels again. Melatonin has a HUGE impact on the quality of your sleep, which in turn will have you feeling like a star the next morning. Let’s focus on a healthy whole foods diet, plenty of good sleep, and maybe a few suppliments that arn’t over the 20-50$ price range. Good eating habits will be the key to a long lasting life and a youthful look with plenty of energy to spare from all of that great sleep you’ve been getting with the assistance from melatonin. Just my 2 cents… Sorry for going against the grain and speaking my mind. I’m all about living healthy, but I’m also all about getting the best bang for your buck. I feel that 95% of the entire suppliment industry is one big scam. ---
**Author:** ![Roy\_Dillon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/roy_dillon/32/1380_2.png) [@Roy\_Dillon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Roy_Dillon)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2012, 7:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/riding-dirty-with-p83/54981/33 "2012-04-07T07:37:59Z")
> [@MusikAddikt](#): > > I dunnnooooo guysss… Let’s take a step back here for a second. > > This product gives you MINISCULE amounts of ingredients you can get in normal body building suppliments for half the price… There are only 2 ingredients on that label that I do not get from either my pre workout suppliments or my BCAA supps, both of which have approx. 10x the amount of ingredients listed. > > Compare that label to jack3d, rage, evolution x7, any BCAA product from optimum nutrition, or heck.. Any standard protein product out there is even fortified with at least 4x the amount of stuff that’s on that label—and they want 100$$$ per bottle?!? > > If you guys want suppliment advice, PLEASE PLEASE pick my brain, this is my life, my addiction, and has been since 2007. > > Melatonin has HUGE impacts on the quality of your sleep, which in turn will have you feeling like a star the next morning. Let’s focus on a healthy whole foods diet, plenty of good sleep, and maybe a few suppliments that arn’t over the 20-50$ price range. Good eating habits will be the key to a long lasting life and a youthful look with plenty of energy to spare from all of that great sleep you’ve been getting with the assistance from melatonin. > > Just my 2 cents… Sorry for going against the grain. I feel 95% of the suppliment industry is one big scam. I feel ya & you are right about the mg/g contents of the LE (& other HGH secretagogues) but I also take BCAA’s & pre-workout powders but they contain enormous amounts (unfortunately) of various stimulants that I won’t take at bedtime (the melatonin wouldn’t stand a chance)😉 that contain higher dosages of glutamine/glycine/ornithine etc. If u know of a stimulant free formula that would work better plz let me know, always looking to improve my health! Also agree on necessity of clean diet & exercise, I wouldn’t look 15-20 yrs younger than actual chrono age if I was busy tearing down my temple with a destructive lifestyle! Great post 😃 ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2012, 8:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/riding-dirty-with-p83/54981/34 "2012-04-08T08:27:16Z")
Roy can you tell me which HGH products you use.. brand please? posting Link appreciated… dsouza ---
**Author:** ![MusikAddikt](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/musikaddikt/32/1576_2.png) [@MusikAddikt](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MusikAddikt)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2012, 9:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/riding-dirty-with-p83/54981/35 "2012-04-08T09:13:45Z")
Did nobody read the study i posted? I have two more if you need further proof… Roy: I’ll shoot you some of my personal recommendations when I get off work, but to be honest it sounds like you most likely already have all of your bases covered 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Roy\_Dillon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/roy_dillon/32/1380_2.png) [@Roy\_Dillon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Roy_Dillon)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2012, 8:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/riding-dirty-with-p83/54981/36 "2012-04-08T20:58:21Z")
> [@dsouza](#): > > Roy can you tell me which HGH products you use.. brand please? > > posting Link appreciated… > > dsouza Hey there, using currently Life Extension Foundation Evening Formula & Daytime Support Formula, about $20/ #120 caps each. [LifeExtensionFoundation.com](http://LifeExtensionFoundation.com) I have used other products in the past as well but LE’s products are reasonable & effective. May I ask your age? Interested for anti-aging purposes or something else? ---
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> [@MusikAddikt](#): > > Did nobody read the study i posted? I have two more if you need further proof… > > Roy: I’ll shoot you some of my personal recommendations when I get off work, but to be honest it sounds like you most likely already have all of your bases covered 🙂 Hello MA, I always like learning from another student of hormone-ology 😃 You sound like a serious student of this topic so I would benefit from whatever info you are willing to share…very interested in thyroid sups in conjunction w/HGH for anti-aging & muscle mass increase…what can you share about this topic? Lots of conflicting info that I’ve read up to now. Thanks!😉 ---
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> [@Roy\_Dillon](#): > > Hey there, using currently Life Extension Foundation Evening Formula & Daytime Support Formula, about $20/ #120 caps each. [LifeExtensionFoundation.com](http://LifeExtensionFoundation.com) > I have used other products in the past as well but LE’s products are reasonable & effective. > > May I ask your age? Interested for anti-aging purposes or something else? Sure dude. I am 42 and have found over the past 3 years I have gained weight, and lost sex drive (not just sexual ability). Working out helps but still hasn’t been able to fix everything. I think part of it was psychological aging (Looking down at turning 40— saying goodbye to my youth) which effected my physical health. Looking for an advantage to younger tighter skin, more hair growth on head, and more sex drive, not to mention a sharper mind and better looking body. Also to lose the last 10 lbs of fat. Now something very important I should mention, I have sleep apnea and use a CPAP machine to treat it during the night. Do you think this HGH will worsen my sleep in any way as I can’t have that! 😃 ---
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> [@dsouza](#): > > Sure dude. I am 42 and have found over the past 3 years I have gained weight, and lost sex drive (not just sexual ability). Working out helps but still hasn’t been able to fix everything. I think part of it was psychological aging (Looking down at turning 40— saying goodbye to my youth) which effected my physical health. > > Looking for an advantage to younger tighter skin, more hair growth on head, and more sex drive, not to mention a sharper mind and better looking body. Also to lose the last 10 lbs of fat. > > Now something very important I should mention, I have sleep apnea and use a CPAP machine to treat it during the night. Do you think this HGH will worsen my sleep in any way as I can’t have that! > > 😃 I don’t think you need anything other than a solid juice fast for about ten days. Get yourself a decent juicer and do some serious veggie juicing. Taking hormones or HGH is just a quick recipe for disaster IMHO. ---
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Thanks to you Roy Dillon I’ve ordered me some day and nighttime formula HGH from LE website. I couldn’t resists the prices and I’d rather here about results from a real person using it than 20 testomonials on a products website. Did you notice a big change in your weight to muscle ratio when using it? If so can you elaborate on that? How much fat did you lose (or inches off waist), and how much muscle did it put on? How long did it take to reshape yoru body? Regarding mones, your formulas of usage are good. AD makes some good stuff. Looking forward to picking up some more IS AMMO in the upcoming month. I like to switch between that and some other mones I use. dsouza [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/riding-dirty-with-p83/54981.md?page=1) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/riding-dirty-with-p83/54981.md?page=3)