# Riding dirty with p83 **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [March 20, 2012, 10:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/riding-dirty-with-p83/54981 "2012-03-20T22:44:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![MusikAddikt](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/musikaddikt/32/1576_2.png) [@MusikAddikt](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MusikAddikt)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 1:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/riding-dirty-with-p83/54981/41 "2012-04-09T13:10:04Z")
It is truly a shame that some people flat out ignore my advice. Not that this isnt my career, my hobby, my passion #sarcasm. I make money by knowing this information. This is how I live. I’ve been researching suppliments, nutrition, diets & exercise every single day of the week since 2007. The positive effects // increased state of HGh in your body are only temporary and CANNOT be maintained. Chronic usage will ruin your bodies ability to produce growth hormones on its own. Your body will become reliant on HGH supplementation simply to maintain normal GH levels. You should not use GH for longer than 6 weeks. During those 6 weeks you should be taking milk thistle. For a period of 6-8 weeks you should continue taking milk thistle before you go back on to it. The toxins some HGH products create actually PROMOTE hair loss. I’ll post more studies on how useless and dangerous(when misused or abused//or not taking some sort of detoxification suppliment such as milk thistle), hgh supplimentation is tonight. ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 3:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/riding-dirty-with-p83/54981/42 "2012-04-09T15:54:10Z")
Roy With all this talk about how HGH supplementation reduces your natural levels once you come off the cycle, can you state how long you’ve been on the product and do you cycle it? I agree with some of the other posts here. But at the cheap prices LE systems has going on their HGH I couldn’t resists. 60% off sale… wow. I bought 4 months for a little over $100. ---
**Author:** ![Roy\_Dillon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/roy_dillon/32/1380_2.png) [@Roy\_Dillon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Roy_Dillon)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 4:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/riding-dirty-with-p83/54981/43 "2012-04-09T16:36:36Z")
> [@dsouza](#): > > Roy > > With all this talk about how HGH supplementation reduces your natural levels once you come off the cycle, can you state how long you’ve been on the product and do you cycle it? > > I agree with some of the other posts here. But at the cheap prices LE systems has going on their HGH I couldn’t resists. 60% off sale… wow. I bought 4 months for a little over $100. I need to clarify a misunderstanding here; I am not talking about injectable HGH BUT RATHER the secretagogues contained in the LE products (that are primarily amino acids that ‘tickle’ the pituitary to produce MORE of its own endogenous (native) HGH that it secretes naturally anyway). Your pituitary will produce more HGH as it is exposed to the natural ingredients contained in the LE tabs/caps. To answer your q, I always cycle as follows to prevent (hopefully) burning out or ‘over-exposing’ my pituitary to the secretagogues (something MA has been posting about wisely): 5 days on, weekends off (2 days); 6 weeks on this schedule, then 2 weeks completely OFF. The theory behind this cycle is to ‘rest’ your pituitary on the OFF days & OFF weeks. This is pretty much the same cycle that injectable HGH users follow as recommended by their physicians for anti-aging purposes. I personally have my hormone levels tested twice a year with my insurance plan to monitor my progress. I have been using these secretagogues for 3 years now & have the IGF-1 level of a 30-35 yr. old man; before using the secretagogues I had the levels of a 45 yr old man (I was 51 at the time). My pituitary reacts quite favorably to the secretagogues but I can’t say how YOU will react. Try it for one 6 week cycle & see how you do; I really noticed amazing body comp changes after a year - I ALSO eat pretty clean & exercise (resistance weights & aerobics) 3-4 times/week…BTW rigorous weight training ALSO releases your natural HGH. If you neglect exercise you won’t see the results. period. However, increased levels of HGH/test WILL improve your muscle mass & reduce your body fat. Don’t get discouraged, remember that it took you YEARS to get where you are now & it will take adequate time to get where you want to be. This is NOT an overnight solution, but rather an adjunct therapy to assist you feeling & looking better 😉 My experience has not shown a diminishing of my pituitary’s production but rather an enhancement after 3 years usage of secretagogues. However other peeps may have a different result, I can’t say. I’m not the johnny appleseed of HGH secretagogues, just telling on myself & nothing more. But there IS a lot of fear mongering at large about HGH (a hormone our body produces); it tends to get lumped in with test based steroids that fuck.u.up. HGH is NOT a steroid, it is a natural hormone; without it you would die (or lose muscle mass, get brittle bones, increased wrinkles, poor sleep, diminished immune response, in other words- POOR HEALTH!!).☹ ---
**Author:** ![MusikAddikt](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/musikaddikt/32/1576_2.png) [@MusikAddikt](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MusikAddikt)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 9:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/riding-dirty-with-p83/54981/44 "2012-04-09T21:51:26Z")
Okay let me first start off by saying I apologize for being a little biased earlier. It has been a few years since I’ve read up on HGH supplementation and after 3 hours of reading numerous studies today I have realized that everything I read at that time was referring to a young & healthy adult. It appears that Roy is passing good advice about GH (I apologize for doubting you Roy, it’s just that I deal with misconceptions about supplements on a daily basis at work, turns out today it was me that had the misconception!!) GH can benefit an individual with a Growth Hormone Deficiency. Which can be anyone 40+. **In patients with a deficiency** , GH replacement therapy has been shown to : 1. Increase bone mineral content/density 2. Normalize diastolic blood pressure 3. Normalize lipid profiles 4. Improve cardiac performance 5. Improve cardiovascular function 6. Enhance exercise capacity 7. Increase lipolysis 8. Normalize body composition 9. Increase muscle strength 10. Improve well-being/quality of life IMHO I believe that good 'ol exercise, healthy eating, and wellness can cure most peoples problems. So… Definition of supplement: Something that completes or enhances something else when added to it. By this definition I assume that you have a plan in mind before buying any product. I would hope that one would not buy Thermogenic fat loss pills and expect to lose 15 lbs in a month without exercising. It doesn’t work this way. It’s the same with HGH supplementation. You can’t purchase this kind of supplement and expect great and amazing things to happen over night without having a proper exercise program & a proper diet in place as a foundation to your health. This… This my friends is the #1 reason I disagree with most supplementation. There is ALWAYS room to improve in either your training or your diet FIRST. What is better for your body? Taco bell beef or choice top sirloin? Cereal or eggs? Trans fat or saturated fat? Synthetically engineered vitamins that you purchase at a store or vitamins that you are consuming through a well balanced diet? When it comes to man made vs nature, nature wins every time. Focus on eating correctly, focus on _progressive_ training, and you will lose those 15, 40, 100lbs the _healthy_ & _permanent_ way. Focus on wellness, and you can improve every aspect of your life! #lifecoach My #2 reason for not believing in supplementation: No supplements are regulated. What does this mean? This means that the FDA does not even glance at the supplement industry. This means a supplement company can host a website claiming they have a pill that contains 500mg of calcium but it actually only contains 5mg of calcium and 495mg of filler. That same calcium supplement can boast claims of curing cancer etc. and nothing can prove them wrong until a real expensive study is conducted to prove them wrong and put them out of business. Well guess what? There are too many supplement company’s out there making fraudulent claims to keep up with. There are a few companies out there that conduct the validity of supplement contents like [consumerlab.com](http://consumerlab.com) but they don’t do anything about the claims being made. Another great example is protein. There are a thousand protein companies out there all boasting 20-50G of protein per serving. What they don’t mention, is Biological Value. Protein with a high BV contains sufficient amounts of each of the essential amino acids so that your body can actually utilize all of the protein to it’s fullest potential. Cheaper protein products do not contain enough essential amino acids, but can still boast 20-50G of protein per serving. When taking these products your body may only be able to actually use 50% of said protein. Yet once again this goes unregulated. If you would like to read actual studies on HGH supplementation you can go here: [growth hormone: Why are we trying to enhance it, and… Is it even working? - Bodybuilding.com Forums](http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=6226571&page=1) ^^^ There is an incredible amount of information about HGH supp. on that thread. Took me a while to look it up a few days ago but that’s where I pulled the first study I posted from. OH AND BY THE WAY… dont get me wrong I use a select few supplements as well, I am just very selective on what I buy and make sure I am getting my moneys worth. There was a time in my life i was spending 300$$/mo on supplements. Around that same time is when I started researching supplements. If you are going to do GH therapy you might be interested in combining it with a all natural testosterone booster. It will improve your libido along with many other added benefits in gym. My personal recommendation is P6 by Cellucor but that’s because it’s the only all natural test booster I know that’s worth spending money on currently. -Be Strong(er) ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2012, 11:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/riding-dirty-with-p83/54981/45 "2012-04-09T23:35:34Z")
> [@MusikAddikt](#): > > Okay let me first start off by saying I apologize for being a little biased earlier. It has been a few years since I’ve read up on HGH supplementation and after 3 hours of reading numerous studies today I have realized that everything I read at that time was referring to a young & healthy adult. It appears that Roy is passing good advice about GH (I apologize for doubting you Roy, it’s just that I deal with misconceptions about supplements on a daily basis at work, turns out today it was me that had the misconception!!) > > GH can benefit an individual with a Growth Hormone Deficiency. Which can be anyone 40+. > > **In patients with a deficiency** , GH replacement therapy has been shown to : > > 1. Increase bone mineral content/density > > 2. Normalize diastolic blood pressure > > 3. Normalize lipid profiles > > 4. Improve cardiac performance > > 5. Improve cardiovascular function > > 6. Enhance exercise capacity > > 7. Increase lipolysis > > 8. Normalize body composition > > 9. Increase muscle strength > > 10. Improve well-being/quality of life > > IMHO I believe that good 'ol exercise, healthy eating, and wellness can cure most peoples problems. > > So… > Definition of supplement: Something that completes or enhances something else when added to it. > > By this definition I assume that you have a plan in mind before buying any product. I would hope that one would not buy Thermogenic fat loss pills and expect to lose 15 lbs in a month without exercising. It doesn’t work this way. It’s the same with HGH supplementation. You can’t purchase this kind of supplement and expect great and amazing things to happen over night without having a proper exercise program & a proper diet in place as a foundation to your health. > > This… This my friends is the #1 reason I disagree with most supplementation. There is ALWAYS room to improve in either your training or your diet FIRST. What is better for your body? Taco bell beef or choice top sirloin? Cereal or eggs? Trans fat or saturated fat? Synthetically engineered vitamins that you purchase at a store or vitamins that you are consuming through a well balanced diet? When it comes to man made vs nature, nature wins every time. Focus on eating correctly, focus on _progressive_ training, and you will lose those 15, 40, 100lbs the _healthy_ & _permanent_ way. Focus on wellness, and you can improve every aspect of your life! > #lifecoach > > My #2 reason for not believing in supplementation: No supplements are regulated. What does this mean? This means that the FDA does not even glance at the supplement industry. This means a supplement company can host a website claiming they have a pill that contains 500mg of calcium but it actually only contains 5mg of calcium and 495mg of filler. That same calcium supplement can boast claims of curing cancer etc. and nothing can prove them wrong until a real expensive study is conducted to prove them wrong and put them out of business. Well guess what? There are too many supplement company’s out there making fraudulent claims to keep up with. > > There are a few companies out there that conduct the validity of supplement contents like [consumerlab.com](http://consumerlab.com) but they don’t do anything about the claims being made. > > Another great example is protein. There are a thousand protein companies out there all boasting 20-50G of protein per serving. What they don’t mention, is Biological Value. Protein with a high BV contains sufficient amounts of each of the essential amino acids so that your body can actually utilize all of the protein to it’s fullest potential. Cheaper protein products do not contain enough essential amino acids, but can still boast 20-50G of protein per serving. When taking these products your body may only be able to actually use 50% of said protein. Yet once again this goes unregulated. > > If you would like to read actual studies on HGH supplementation you can go here: > [growth hormone: Why are we trying to enhance it, and… Is it even working? - Bodybuilding.com Forums](http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=6226571&page=1) > > ^^^ There is an incredible amount of information about HGH supp. on that thread. Took me a while to look it up a few days ago but that’s where I pulled the first study I posted from. > > OH AND BY THE WAY… dont get me wrong I use a select few supplements as well, I am just very selective on what I buy and make sure I am getting my moneys worth. There was a time in my life i was spending 300$$/mo on supplements. Around that same time is when I started researching supplements. > > If you are going to do GH therapy you might be interested in combining it with a all natural testosterone booster. It will improve your libido along with many other added benefits in gym. My personal recommendation is P6 by Cellucor but that’s because it’s the only all natural test booster I know that’s worth spending money on currently. > > -Be Strong(er) I myself am in my early forties, and work out 4 times a week with weights and cardio. I know supplements don’t replace good sleep, diet, and exercise, but they sure do help boost the results if you are getting adequate amounts of the above. Being over 40, and having shown signs of HGH loss I think this supplement will only help me. I am going to follows Roy plans. He sounds like a man who knows what he’s talking about for sure! 5 on 2 off, 6 weeks on , 2 weeks off. Can’t wait! 😉 dsouza ---
**Author:** ![Roy\_Dillon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/roy_dillon/32/1380_2.png) [@Roy\_Dillon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Roy_Dillon)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 8:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/riding-dirty-with-p83/54981/46 "2012-04-10T08:56:27Z")
> [@dsouza](#): > > I myself am in my early forties, and work out 4 times a week with weights and cardio. I know supplements don’t replace good sleep, diet, and exercise, but they sure do help boost the results if you are getting adequate amounts of the above. > > Being over 40, and having shown signs of HGH loss I think this supplement will only help me. I am going to follows Roy plans. He sounds like a man who knows what he’s talking about for sure! > > 5 on 2 off, 6 weeks on , 2 weeks off. > > Can’t wait! 😉 > > dsouza dsouza, you & I are EXACTLY the age group that the HGH secretagogues are intended to help - not 20 or early 30somethings…we aspire to reach their HGH levels, they are where they should be & need no augmentation whatsoever. We benefit from these sups, they don’t (like MA pointed out). I need to quickly address a problem that I have encountered by my appearing to be 15 years or so younger than I really am…what I call the ‘vampire effect’, meaning that if you don’t appear to age in a ‘traditional fashion’ you encounter certain challenges with society, but here I’ll address only the challenges presented by women of all ages that I have encountered so far. Younger women are poorer judges of a mans true age than more mature women, by this I mean a woman in her twenties to mid-thirties can NEVER guess my true age - they know that I am older than they are but because they find me attractive and are inexperienced with guesstimating men’s ages they always assume I am in my early forties (not actually 54!). A more mature woman will guess that I am at least 10 years younger than I truly am (usually 43-45)…this is due I believe to their having been around peeps of ALL AGES for a longer period of time than women in their 20’s & 30’s…they are simply a better judge of true chrono age than their younger counterparts. In the past I have occasionally gotten a weird vibe from older women ( in their early to mid 40’s)when I reveal my true age (especially after I’ve bedded them) because of the disconnect of my reality w/their perceptions of me; no one likes to be deceived, especially by themselves, by their OWN judgment. I wish to avoid this problem by emitting a very congruent age-vibe by using the appropriate mones; so far I’ve been doing well with sweet sweet Chloe. She proves my point - she is 24 yo & doesn’t suspect she is being banged senseless by a man old enough to be her father (I am truly 30 years older than she is!).She brought my age up last night & I told her to guess (I ALWAYS handle it this way) & she wrongly said “you are 40, maybe 38 or so”. I didn’t correct her but stated “you’re a very good judge of age my dear, I hope you don’t mind having an older experienced lover!” & she cooed thats a big part of my allure for her! If it aint broken why fix it! I KNOW she would have a huge mental disconnect if she knew my true age because men my age don’t have 6 pack abs, great muscle mass, full head of hair & very few wrinkles…and the sexual stamina to go the distance with a hot energetic 24 yo babe. But I do & the consistency is there. I find the mones REALLY are the convincer because the women can ‘smell’ & therefor ‘sense’ that I am who they think I am. In particular I think the p83, IO/IH, TUTH (for a youthful hot sexual vibe), & [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) give off the ‘youthful age appropriate vibe’ I am seeking. In fact I will direct my future posts to dig a bit deeper on this ‘I appear younger than I really am’ aspect & relate my experiences to others on this magnificent forum- it turns out there are PLENTY of guys here in their 40’s & 50’s who we can all share our success stories & general womanizing experiences with!😃 ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 4:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/riding-dirty-with-p83/54981/47 "2012-04-10T16:02:43Z")
I think I already look 30 , especially my face, since I get hit on by all the 20-27 year olds all the time. If i take this HGH I may pass as 25 who knows, maybe even younger as my body hasn’t aged that much since my 20’s. I may be 10 lbs overweight and that is all I want to lose. Some people have said women can guess a man’s true age and experience tells me , like your experience, the younger ones can’t. Just today I was wearing AM, True Love, and [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) and got hit on by a 21 year old who I had talked to prior time, and she was waving to me, and all smiles after I looked at her and ignored her for a bit. I went up to her and told her all about my music career and gave her my card and told her to look me up on youtube. I also told her sometime we should have a coffee (she works at the mall). I was going to number close when a customer walked in. I decided to leave some mystery behind and told her I’d see her later and just left. I figure I’d rather build some interest and intrigue by her wondering who is this guy who always comes to talk to me shows interest and leaves. Next time I see her I’ll ask for the digits. She seemed down I had to leave. I think she was crushing on me with the p83! I tend to simmer things slowly with women as I want to build mystery, chemistry, intrigue and suspense, and not be the gabber that just talks her ear off. When its time for me to neck her I want to make sure she’s ripe if you know what I mean 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2012, 9:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/riding-dirty-with-p83/54981/48 "2012-04-10T21:03:37Z")
> [@MusikAddikt](#): > > Okay let me first start off by saying I apologize for being a little biased earlier. It has been a few years since I’ve read up on HGH supplementation and after 3 hours of reading numerous studies today I have realized that everything I read at that time was referring to a young & healthy adult. It appears that Roy is passing good advice about GH (I apologize for doubting you Roy, it’s just that I deal with misconceptions about supplements on a daily basis at work, turns out today it was me that had the misconception!!) > > GH can benefit an individual with a Growth Hormone Deficiency. Which can be anyone 40+. > > **In patients with a deficiency** , GH replacement therapy has been shown to : > > 1. Increase bone mineral content/density > > 2. Normalize diastolic blood pressure > > 3. Normalize lipid profiles > > 4. Improve cardiac performance > > 5. Improve cardiovascular function > > 6. Enhance exercise capacity > > 7. Increase lipolysis > > 8. Normalize body composition > > 9. Increase muscle strength > > 10. Improve well-being/quality of life > > IMHO I believe that good 'ol exercise, healthy eating, and wellness can cure most peoples problems. > > So… > Definition of supplement: Something that completes or enhances something else when added to it. > > By this definition I assume that you have a plan in mind before buying any product. I would hope that one would not buy Thermogenic fat loss pills and expect to lose 15 lbs in a month without exercising. It doesn’t work this way. It’s the same with HGH supplementation. You can’t purchase this kind of supplement and expect great and amazing things to happen over night without having a proper exercise program & a proper diet in place as a foundation to your health. > > This… This my friends is the #1 reason I disagree with most supplementation. There is ALWAYS room to improve in either your training or your diet FIRST. What is better for your body? Taco bell beef or choice top sirloin? Cereal or eggs? Trans fat or saturated fat? Synthetically engineered vitamins that you purchase at a store or vitamins that you are consuming through a well balanced diet? When it comes to man made vs nature, nature wins every time. Focus on eating correctly, focus on _progressive_ training, and you will lose those 15, 40, 100lbs the _healthy_ & _permanent_ way. Focus on wellness, and you can improve every aspect of your life! > #lifecoach > > My #2 reason for not believing in supplementation: No supplements are regulated. What does this mean? This means that the FDA does not even glance at the supplement industry. This means a supplement company can host a website claiming they have a pill that contains 500mg of calcium but it actually only contains 5mg of calcium and 495mg of filler. That same calcium supplement can boast claims of curing cancer etc. and nothing can prove them wrong until a real expensive study is conducted to prove them wrong and put them out of business. Well guess what? There are too many supplement company’s out there making fraudulent claims to keep up with. > > There are a few companies out there that conduct the validity of supplement contents like [consumerlab.com](http://consumerlab.com) but they don’t do anything about the claims being made. > > Another great example is protein. There are a thousand protein companies out there all boasting 20-50G of protein per serving. What they don’t mention, is Biological Value. Protein with a high BV contains sufficient amounts of each of the essential amino acids so that your body can actually utilize all of the protein to it’s fullest potential. Cheaper protein products do not contain enough essential amino acids, but can still boast 20-50G of protein per serving. When taking these products your body may only be able to actually use 50% of said protein. Yet once again this goes unregulated. > > If you would like to read actual studies on HGH supplementation you can go here: > [growth hormone: Why are we trying to enhance it, and… Is it even working? - Bodybuilding.com Forums](http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=6226571&page=1) > > ^^^ There is an incredible amount of information about HGH supp. on that thread. Took me a while to look it up a few days ago but that’s where I pulled the first study I posted from. > > OH AND BY THE WAY… dont get me wrong I use a select few supplements as well, I am just very selective on what I buy and make sure I am getting my moneys worth. There was a time in my life i was spending 300$$/mo on supplements. Around that same time is when I started researching supplements. > > If you are going to do GH therapy you might be interested in combining it with a all natural testosterone booster. It will improve your libido along with many other added benefits in gym. My personal recommendation is P6 by Cellucor but that’s because it’s the only all natural test booster I know that’s worth spending money on currently. > > -Be Strong(er) I’d be curious to know what other supplements are you taking, Musik? Is that P6 or P6 Extreme? Have you found a descent protein with high BV? Thanks for all of your thoughts/ideas. You, too, Roy! I just started taking my HGH supplement on Sunday, so … We! We! Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2012, 9:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/riding-dirty-with-p83/54981/49 "2012-04-18T09:30:29Z")
Please remember this is a [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/) forum. If you would like to discuss other supplements such as hGH you are free to do so, but in the lounge. ---
**Author:** ![GetTheEdge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gettheedge/32/1555_2.png) [@GetTheEdge](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/GetTheEdge)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 7:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/riding-dirty-with-p83/54981/50 "2012-04-19T07:08:02Z")
> [@Roy\_Dillon](#): > > 😉 So my 20mcg P83 arrived this morning FEDEX priority by 10:30 AM (awesome service by AD as usual..thanks!) & was very eager to add it to my mix for the day, so thats what I did; 1s IO back of neck, 2s IH hair, 1s TUTH to lower abs, 1 teensy drop A314 to crook of elbows &…1s P83 each side of neck. > I’m freaking ready to ride at this point, right? So off I go to catch some breakfast at this joint I’ve been dining at but haven’t been there for 5 days; theres a hot new manager there that has been giving me some nice attention & I want to see the effect of THIS mix on her. The 20 year old waitress sniffs me & starts grinning & talking tongue tied then blushes, takes my order & turns around to look at me grinning as she walks away to place my order…we’re defo off to a good start! I haven’t spied the hot manager yet, but when my food is served by the still grinning, stammering cute waitress, suddenly there she is at my table using her lithe body to block the waitress out of her way 😛 She speaks grinning & asks how my weekend was & where have I been? so I ask “which question should I answer first?” & she gets embarrassed & I don’t answer but ask her how her weekend was instead & did she get into any trouble? She answers “it was OK, I told my BF I wanted to do something fun but I was disappointed…” so first I hear of her BF is in a somewhat negative tone. > Long story short, she hangs at my table for 15 minutes straight giving me big cute smiles so I neg her a little & say “You had braces when you were younger didn’t you?” & she says yes & I say “they did a great job leaving that tiny gap between your two front teeth, looks so natural” & she gets kinda flustered & asks if its too noticeable & I quip “Naw, its charming, no one’s perfect” & quickly change subject by complimenting her black pants while quickly looking right at her snatch 😃 then up to her eyes. She subconsciously responds by pressing her hips towards me & I look again then back up to her eyes & mouth.She’s getting DIHL & moves body closer to me & keeps rapping, closing the distance, pushing those thin sexy hips at me ever so slightly. The whole time at my table her feet & body are STRAIGHT at me & I sensed she wanted to sit down as she started to make that kind of motion but then BAM the entrance gets slammed with patrons & she says “I’m sorry, but I’ll be back” and off she goes to help ring up peeps. I catch her looking sideways at me then DOWN (good sign) & then when custys are gone I get up to pay my bill & she helps me & asks “will you be in again this week, I’m off Friday & Saturday?” & I tell her “I’ll be back in as my schedule allows, but you are awfully cute” & she grins huge showing those cute front teeth w/gap between them. I can tell shes down for whatever! I would say the P83 definitely helped things along, tremendous hits & great convo & IOI’s the whole time…nice 😉 > Oh yeah & as I’m paying the cute waitress comes to the register just to smile at me 😕 as she did nothing else business wise & my mgr shooed her away to clean a table! I was hoping for a hair pulling, blouse ripping cat fight! LOL P83 works it for me 😃 I’ve only managed to read this first post of this thread If I’m right her telling you “…I’m off friday and saturday?” is because she’s being subtle but wants to meet with you when she doesnt have to work? I think any women on the forum would be able to tell better than me what women mean when they’re being subtle lol Its quite common for women to be subtle, and for other women to know what they mean, …but men being just uhh…blind? ---
**Author:** ![Roy\_Dillon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/roy_dillon/32/1380_2.png) [@Roy\_Dillon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Roy_Dillon)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 9:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/riding-dirty-with-p83/54981/51 "2012-04-19T09:26:34Z")
> [@GetTheEdge](#): > > I’ve only managed to read this first post of this thread > > If I’m right her telling you “…I’m off friday and saturday?” is because she’s being subtle but wants to meet with you when she doesnt have to work? > > I think any women on the forum would be able to tell better than me what women mean when they’re being subtle lol > > Its quite common for women to be subtle, and for other women to know what they mean, …but men being just uhh…blind? Thanks for getting this thread back on track 😉 I believe she meant to tell me her schedule so I would know when to come back in again to see her. She also was hinting at her willingness to hook up one on one at some future point (in other words, revealing her interest in me ‘with subtlety’). As time revealed, she has a LT BF & that needs to be handled discretely…not sure its worth the drama since I’m getting laid now with a hot young thing. I would love for some ladies on this forum to weigh in on this one cos us guys miss a lot & even read too much into trivial statements or body language. We can get soooo confused 😕 as we chase trim 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Gotchaz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/35a633/32.png) [@Gotchaz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gotchaz)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 9:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/riding-dirty-with-p83/54981/52 "2012-04-19T09:53:44Z")
If you’re getting laid by a hot little thing then why would you care, this chick has a guy. Stop trying to mow his lawn, unless you’re looking to get an ass kicking. You’ve already introduced yourself to the guy so he knows who you are. Even if the girl is at fault we all know the BF’s take it out on the guy not her. Sure you may have changed her oil and her BF knows exactly what you’re up ta, he’s not stupid. Plus maybe she is using you to get a rise out of him. I’d step away from this one, you’re call tho. ---
**Author:** ![Roy\_Dillon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/roy_dillon/32/1380_2.png) [@Roy\_Dillon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Roy_Dillon)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 10:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/riding-dirty-with-p83/54981/53 "2012-04-19T10:27:10Z")
> [@Gotchaz](#): > > If you’re getting laid by a hot little thing then why would you care, this chick has a guy. Stop trying to mow his lawn, unless you’re looking to get an ass kicking. You’ve already introduced yourself to the guy so he knows who you are. Even if the girl is at fault we all know the BF’s take it out on the guy not her. Sure you may have changed her oil and her BF knows exactly what you’re up ta, he’s not stupid. Plus maybe she is using you to get a rise out of him. I’d step away from this one, you’re call tho. 😃 That oil changing guy was some one else Gotchaz, not the Roy Dillon. I read that post is how I know. Besides, I don’t change oil unless I’m going to an aroma therapy oil 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Gotchaz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/35a633/32.png) [@Gotchaz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gotchaz)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 10:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/riding-dirty-with-p83/54981/54 "2012-04-19T10:31:22Z")
> [@Roy\_Dillon](#): > > 😃 That oil changing guy was some one else Gotchaz, not the Roy Dillon. I read that post is how I know. Besides, I don’t change oil unless I’m going to an aroma therapy oil 😛 LOL sorry mate my comment was for the Jiffy Lube guy 😃 Deleted it. ---
**Author:** ![Roy\_Dillon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/roy_dillon/32/1380_2.png) [@Roy\_Dillon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Roy_Dillon)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 10:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/riding-dirty-with-p83/54981/55 "2012-04-19T10:47:00Z")
> [@Gotchaz](#): > > LOL sorry mate my comment was for the Jiffy Lube guy 😃 Deleted it. Jiffy Lube 😃 LOL No worries, cheers! ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 11:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/riding-dirty-with-p83/54981/56 "2012-04-19T11:57:11Z")
Roy and others please join me in the lounge to continue our discussion of HGH and health supplements ---
**Author:** ![GetTheEdge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gettheedge/32/1555_2.png) [@GetTheEdge](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/GetTheEdge)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 6:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/riding-dirty-with-p83/54981/57 "2012-04-20T06:24:30Z")
> [@Roy\_Dillon](#): > > Thanks for getting this thread back on track 😉 I believe she meant to tell me her schedule so I would know when to come back in again to see her. She also was hinting at her willingness to hook up one on one at some future point (in other words, revealing her interest in me ‘with subtlety’). As time revealed, she has a LT BF & that needs to be handled discretely…not sure its worth the drama since I’m getting laid now with a hot young thing. > I would love for some ladies on this forum to weigh in on this one cos us guys miss a lot & even read too much into trivial statements or body language. We can get soooo confused 😕 as we chase trim 😛 Hey mate I also got the feeling that she was hinting at her willingness to hook up one on one at some future point 😉 ---
**Author:** ![DssMaster](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dssmaster/32/1686_2.png) [@DssMaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/DssMaster)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2012, 11:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/riding-dirty-with-p83/54981/58 "2012-11-04T11:23:48Z")
So what’s new Roy? Would like to read more about your mones experiences. Are you still using the [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) with great success? I have read somewhere else that increasing the dose of P83 turns the ladies on, and opens them up to more physical contact on the wearer. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/riding-dirty-with-p83/54981.md?page=2)