# Rookie needing help **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [July 18, 2009, 3:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/rookie-needing-help/30799 "2009-07-18T15:09:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![lmasterz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/45deac/32.png) [@lmasterz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lmasterz)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2009, 3:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/rookie-needing-help/30799/1 "2009-07-18T15:09:53Z")
Hello All, I’m a big time Rookie when it comes to pheromones and I’m here to learn as much as possible about them as I do not believe in them at all and reallllyyy hope to be proven wrong. I’ve read a couple of threads on this forum. I’ve mentioned this in my intro; I’m 22 yrs and I’m the type of person that can start off quiet, depending on the group I’m mixing with and how easy it is to break ice with. Some certain type of groups ,especially ones that have more people that I know (than that i do not), I tend to be the main person, making them laugh, project confidence, etc, the basic characteristics of an alpha male. At other points, especially with a new group, I’m not that person, sometimes beta and sometimes neither, again depends also who i’m talking to. My main objective is to experiment it with the ladies. I want to build attraction (and definitely seduction) with as little time possible. I want them to understand that I’m “that unique person with an edge” somehow someway. I want them to want me. Socially wise is not much of a hassle for me, as i’ve mentioned, depending on which group I’m with. Yet again, I would like to break ice way quicker than I usually do with new groups/people. What I concluded so far from what I’ve been reading and recommended is to use [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) and Instant Honesty for attraction and/or comfort. It seems like both have the same effect, not sure about that. I have several questions at the top of my head which I’m still unsure of and would like to have them answered: 1. Would I be able to wear a normal cologne along with the pheromone or would it cancel its effect? 2. What kind of scent do the pheromones have, in general? Is it like some sort of fruity mix or what is it exactly? 3. How much of the pheromone make the effect? For example say I’m out with Instant Honesty, can I just rely on it and results will show? Or would I also have to play a role? Is it a 50% me and 50% pheromone, or one is higher than the other, (on average that is)? 4. How close must you be to the other member for it to take effect? 5. Finally, does the pheromone just have an effect on the opposite member, or does it also have an effect on person wearing it? And how does it actually work (basically speaking) with the other member, does he/she smell it and then triggers something in their body of some sort? Any comments/recommendations are appreciated. sorry for it being lengthy. ---
**Author:** ![jayarea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/48db29/32.png) [@jayarea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jayarea)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2009, 5:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/rookie-needing-help/30799/2 "2009-07-18T17:14:11Z")
What I concluded so far from what I’ve been reading and recommended is to use [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) and Instant Honesty for attraction and/or comfort. It seems like both have the same effect, not sure about that. **comfort yes, attraction ehhhh… io helps to facilitate more conversation, ih helps to facilitate a deeper conversation. if you can somehow squeeze attraction out of this, then more power to ya. i would layer on a separate product for attraction such as ammo or tuth.** I have several questions at the top of my head which I’m still unsure of and would like to have them answered: 1. Would I be able to wear a normal cologne along with the pheromone or would it cancel its effect? **you can wear a normal cologne.** 2. What kind of scent do the pheromones have, in general? Is it like some sort of fruity mix or what is it exactly? **neroli is like a light orange scent, very fresh. game is more like a cologne, comparable to cool water. akuto is a very “gentleman-ly” scent, mature and upscale smooth musky vibe. tuth has its own category, sort of a spicy scent.** 3. How much of the pheromone make the effect? For example say I’m out with Instant Honesty, can I just rely on it and results will show? Or would I also have to play a role? Is it a 50% me and 50% pheromone, or one is higher than the other, (on average that is)? **i personally like to say 90% you, 10% phero. you have to work for the effects. if you’re wearing io, then you have to talk more and others will talk along with you. ih, you have to ask the right questions (or just a lot of them) and others will dig deep for answers.** 4. How close must you be to the other member for it to take effect? **general rule is \< 6 feet.** 5. Finally, does the pheromone just have an effect on the opposite member, or does it also have an effect on person wearing it? And how does it actually work (basically speaking) with the other member, does he/she smell it and then triggers something in their body of some sort? **it depends on where you spray it. for many pheros, people will spray them on the front of their neck; this is a good way to get self effects. let’s say you want to use io but don’t really feel like getting the self effects (maybe you don’t want to accidentally blurt something out) then you can spray it on your wrists, or the back of your neck, etc so you don’t feel it as much.** ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2009, 5:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/rookie-needing-help/30799/3 "2009-07-18T17:50:49Z")
Hey There Welcome 🙂 > [@](#): > > 1. Would I be able to wear a normal cologne along with the pheromone or would it cancel its effect? The products here mostly come in a neroli scent as jay mentioned. It drys down light and blends with most other scents well. > [@](#): > > 1. What kind of scent do the pheromones have, in general? Is it like some sort of fruity mix or what is it exactly? No mones on there own smell like body oder. Most people perceive them differently depending on which mone it is but you will here descriptions ranging from piss to butt cheese LOL. Don’t panic, oddly people don’t perceive it this way when its on you as long as you use some sort of cover scent or get the products in there original cover scent. > [@](#): > > 1. How much of the pheromone make the effect? For example say I’m out with [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) , can I just rely on it and results will show? Or would I also have to play a role? Is it a 50% me and 50% pheromone, or one is higher than the other, (on average that is)? Its a bit of both. Read [What pheromones can and can't do: realistic expectations for newcomers](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-pheromones-can-do-and-what-they-cant-updated/9558) to get a better feel for how they work. Most people will say they enhance reactions by about 10% but I don’t agree with this theory. It can be more sometimes or less sometimes. > [@](#): > > 1. How close must you be to the other member for it to take effect? This is another question with no set answer. Depends on the environment. If your moving around and leaving good sillage you can effect a person clear across the room. If your sitting in one spot it will reach 5 to 8 feet away. Eventually if the air circulation is good it could travel all over a room and effect people. A lot of variations to consider. Just start with 5 to 8 feet away. > [@](#): > > 1. Finally, does the pheromone just have an effect on the opposite member, or does it also have an effect on person wearing it? And how does it actually work (basically speaking) with the other member, does he/she smell it and then triggers something in their body of some sort? Some people get self effects. [Pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) are signalers. Its not the actual scent that triggers the reaction. It could smell like crap and as long as the molecule is present it will trigger the reaction. They are diffused off the body and inhaled into the nasal passage and then enter the brain where they connect with certain neurotransmitters. These transmitters start to fire sending feelings and emotions to other parts of the brain. These emotions and feelings are what the person is responding to and because the signal is coming from you they associate it to you. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Ur\_Conqueror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/51bf81/32.png) [@Ur\_Conqueror](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Ur_Conqueror)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2009, 7:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/rookie-needing-help/30799/4 "2009-07-19T07:09:39Z")
tisha question to cover the nasty smell can i wear a cologne like aqua di gio and not kill the effects? ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2009, 2:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/rookie-needing-help/30799/5 "2009-07-19T14:42:29Z")
Sure you can cover with any scent you want. It wont effect the mones and in some cases if what your wearing diffuses well and leaves good sillage it will help carry the mones which makes it even more effective. Just be careful in using oil based scents to cover. This slows diffusion so your dosage may need adjusting to get the same effect as with a alcohol based cover. Now AMMO is the only one in the consumer line that comes in its own cologne so you cant wear another with it. It smells very sexy in my opinion although I liked the scent they used before this one better. Some of the experimental MX’s come in colognes to so check in the forum before ordering if you want to know. Tisha