# Rough design vs. refined, Thomas Edison & R&D vs. Time Square Rolodex salesmen **URL:** \ **Category:** Messages From Michael\ **Created:** [August 18, 2009, 6:10am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/rough-design-vs-refined-thomas-edison-r-d-vs-time-square-rolodex-salesmen/31653 "2009-08-18T06:10:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 2
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> [@Turn up the heat / Alpha 7 ...same?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/turn-up-the-heat-alpha-7-same/31639/3): > > > [@Turn up the heat / Alpha 7 ...same?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/turn-up-the-heat-alpha-7-same/31639/3): > > > > Alpha 7 contains the “big 3” (nol,none, rone), I forget the exact ratios though. I had good results with it, though it’s a bit “rougher” than AD products. No buffering. > > Some like it rough. > > Hey now! I didn’t originally mean what that obviously sounds like, but I guess that’s true, too. 😉 > > You’ll always tend to find, however, my mix philosophy and refinements getting the way of this roughness – even when I don’t mean to, ala MX292 (the design intent of which was to be “bomb” like – i.e., a big effect, yes, but with lots of schrapnel and rough edges!) > > That’s why I like different quality voices in the market. The key being _quality_ voices; I could do without fraud being used in marketing, and other types of BS, I’ll tell you that! This should be Nvidia vs. ATI type stuff, and nothing more. > > Our forum’s biggest debates should be closer to what you see at [appleinsider.com](http://appleinsider.com), and not the FBI roster! > > Anyway… > > Alpha 7 is a bit after my time, but during my time of using other products, I think LaCroy had one of the best “rough” products out there. > > I honestly don’t know if Alpha 7 is good or not. I should take the time to try it. I’ll sort of have to take your word for it, but I do mostly like LS and I think LaCroy is an excellent “voice”. They make good product and “keep their nose clean” (a big thing to me in what is mostly a dishonest market that doesn’t have anybody’s good in mind, really). > > I only wish they made something after Impi, which seemed to be a bit of a misstep. > > I also wish George Dodd would make something new. Does LS still have Xcite Wipes? > > I really like that guy. I wish KioTech didn’t go almost exclusively into fishing lures. Also, since Dodd seems to take a gentle approach not too dissimilar to mine (i.e., refined product, good for social uses), I’d really like to see what else he could come out with. > > I’d rather “worry” about someone decent, gentle (and legally compliant!) like Dodd “kicking” Instant Openness’ “ass”, than I would someone kicking the ass of our staff and their kids, I’ll tell you that! > > Anyway, enough from me, lest I start to rant. As I said originally, though, sometimes rough is good – even right down to the core design (the molecules themselves). I actually liked one of the rougher synthesis’ of androstenone I have over the more clinical synthesis. For some purposes, anyway. > > A314 benefits from the cleaner synthesis route, while something like MX292 benefits from the rougher one. Something we never would’ve known unless we had done the actual work over the years to split test the hell out of this stuff. > > I hope today’s marketers who step over the line to become nothing more than street cons selling Rolodexes in Time Square, learn that the “old way” – good ol’ R&D and testing trials – eventually pays off. > > Their BS ads and ballsy tricks may “work” in the short term, but the fact is that Thomas Edison’s lightbulb wouldn’t have lasted as long as it did without the very real sweat equity put into designing the damn thing in the first place. > > [http://www.trendhunter.com/images/phpthumbnails/50209\_1\_468.jpeg](http://www.trendhunter.com/images/phpthumbnails/50209_1_468.jpeg) > > Keep in mind, that despite some of his personal foibles, Thomas Edison is widely acknowledged as the person who created the first high production R&D model. i.e, the man who basically “invented inventing”. > > I may not like how things seemed to play out with Tesla, but I’ve got to credit the man for his actual positive contributions. We are in a sense, nothing but a modern variation of Edison’s Menlo Park experiment (and later, Bell Labs), combined with some of the principles of the modern internet. > > Again, I better shut up before I write a book on this stuff… but I’ll end by giving kudos to other companies like LaCroy, KioTech, Pherin Pharmaceuticals and maybe even the guys behind Alpha 7 who seem to understand this! Thanks, guys, for taking a basically classical approach to product development and sales. You’re some of the few good ones. I know George Dodd is still going - I remember reading that the Excite Wipes seem to have been taken over by someone else, but I have a cologne of his that you can still buy online. I can’t say i like the scent - too feminine but feels like a pure Androstenol product to me. Alpha 7 I’ve tried and don’t mind - but I’ve never been able to find much out about the manufacturer or what, if anything, else they make. Lacroy’s stuff is great - although not versatile 🙂 At the risk of sounding like I’m sucking up, I’m very glad I found my way here - the diversity of products and the wide spectrum of situations over which they can be used is tremendous. --- _[View the full topic](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/rough-design-vs-refined-thomas-edison-r-d-vs-time-square-rolodex-salesmen/31653)._