# San Francisco Hits **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [January 19, 2006, 2:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/san-francisco-hits/106 "2006-01-19T02:54:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2006, 2:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/san-francisco-hits/106/1 "2006-01-19T02:54:34Z")
2 drops A314+ 4 sprays Instant Shine + 2 sprays IFM + 2-3 sprays each Instant Honesty + [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) + 1 spray CTTM2 + 4 sprays TAK 25mcg + 2 sprays Instant Ammunition + 1 spray Turn Up the Heat + 1 spray Impi + 5mcg TAF + 4x 15mcg sprays TAK + 15mcg TAL (objective was to have fun rather than learn in a scientific manner) with a male friend at bar at a trendy hotel in town. odd, possible lesbian reaction by one quite butch girl in group of 3 girls. kept looking over and as we passed around her (with plenty of room to spare) she said “what’s the magic word?”. my friend “please”. her “say pretty please with whipped cream on top”. i wonder if this might have had something to do with the TAL. dinner at a trendy place. hostess super friendly, people look up as we enter. free glass of champagne while we wait. hostess keeps finding excuses to come by. passes by our table and hovers a bit; I make eye contact, exchange hellos - she goes to table next door and asks if everything is okay with their meal and then comes by ours and asks me what the spelling of my name was again. body language makes it clear that she doesn’t really want to know the name and anyway it’s odd since i saw the name v clearly written (booked via my concierge) and already confirmed the name to her as we arrived. I don’t take any action as not in town for long but guess that was a potential subtle hit. i would say at least 50% chance she said yes had i asked her out or to meet us later. move to restaurant lounge and get chatting to lots of people very easily and without effort (not typical for me or my friend). meet the owner, chat to him for a while - he buys me a drink and suggests a place to go to later. general super-friendly and celebrityesque vibe for the rest of the evening though nothing of note to report. (meet a girl at the bar, snog and have potential to close but I have an early flight and choose not to). from that evening my friend is persuaded without much doubt that mones work. If TAK is in A314, I wonder whether this might not be an important contributor to the respect aspect. From other occasions also, TAK does seem to tone down the hair play when used with none or edge. Impi does seem to have consistently strong impact when used with IFM and some other related products in reducing female sexual inhibitions but, even when used with relatively high 'none, does not seem to generate the crazy hair play or male aggressiveness that accompanies Edge/NPA doses. ---
**Author:** ![tacitus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tacitus)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2006, 12:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/san-francisco-hits/106/2 "2006-01-19T12:34:33Z")
Testing the old phero bombe in SF ? as always, one must take into account the nuances of self presentation, the context, the phase of the moon (seriously, [pheromones](https://a314.com/) work better in some contexts during a full moon), one’s level of self awareness at the body-mind level, the fineness that one can read minimal cues, congruity, body language, one’s self presentation skills… For example, speaking with an NLP teacher of some standing the other day, it surprised me how un-compelling his voice was. Not bad, just not compelling. It occured to me that here this man was, doing a portion of his business over the phone, his fortunes rising and falling with his popularity, at the mercy of his vocal limitations. If he had any insight into the situation, he would use some of his NLP skills to motivate himself to develop a great, or at least, more compelling voice. Even if he were hosed down with pheromones, he’s still have that voice to deal with. ---
**Author:** ![MHarris](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mharris/32/2107_2.png) [@MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MHarris)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2006, 8:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/san-francisco-hits/106/3 "2006-01-22T08:11:13Z")
> [@tacitus](#): > > as always, one must take into account the nuances of self presentation, the context, the phase of the moon (seriously, pheromones work better in some contexts during a full moon), one’s level of self awareness at the body-mind level, the fineness that one can read minimal cues, congruity, body language, one’s self presentation skills… > > For example, speaking with an NLP teacher of some standing the other day, it surprised me how un-compelling his voice was. Not bad, just not compelling. It occured to me that here this man was, doing a portion of his business over the phone, his fortunes rising and falling with his popularity, at the mercy of his vocal limitations. If he had any insight into the situation, he would use some of his NLP skills to motivate himself to develop a great, or at least, more compelling voice. > > Even if he were hosed down with pheromones, he’s still have that voice to deal with. There are quite a few trainers with less than optimal voices. Bandler may wax poetic about tonality, but he doesn’t go into details about the mechanics. I think he expects your unconscious now to just do it. Probably the only one that goes into details about vocal mechanics is Jonathan Atfeld, but I wouldn’t necessarily recommend his course as an initial one. Was the one you talked with Rex Sikes? He has a speech impediment that sounds physiological in nature. (i.e., I’m sure sure he could do much about it) I won’t even guess lower on the ladder, such as the non-licensed ones. Except for Carmine Baffa, the ones that fake their relationship to NLP are about as uncompelling as you can get. Such are the lives of those who steal anything - the dishonest are almost always their own best enemies. Voice is a powerful motivator. Anyone reading this needn’t do anything all that advanced or expensive. Just hum simple melodies for at least 10 minutes every day (in the car, maybe?), and your voice will get better naturally. Maybe get Roger Love’s course from Nightingale Conant. (he simplified much of what he learned from the renowned Seth Griggs, and Roger keeps everything very positive and motivational) That’s who I’d recommend without hesitation. I’m not big into Tony Robbins, but I know Roger helped him out with his monster voice. ---
**Author:** ![tacitus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tacitus)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2006, 10:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/san-francisco-hits/106/4 "2006-01-22T10:39:00Z")
not to name names here… Most of my studies were with the original santa cruz bunch and their immediate offspring. As far as Richard is concerned, there was/is Richard ver 1.0, 2.0, and 3.0… Richard ver 1.0 was an absolutely amazing, astounding guy to watch and listen to, regardless of his specific voice production he could use his voice to great effect. When I see photos of Richard ver 3.0 I simply cannot recognize the man, physically, he’s lost so much weight, who knew that craggy bone structure was under all of that ? He had a multitude of theories about seduction that didn’t appear to work all that well in practice, unfortunately. Grinder had a beautiful soft spoken authority that I found more compelling in its understatement, if Grinder had wanted to be seductive, which he didn’t, he went out of his way to interrupt any dependencies or transferences, he easily could have been the absolute master of the game. He relied too heavily, in my estimation, on his theories about modelling and something called the “know nothing state”. Although I did find inserting myself into foreign cultures and learning them from the inside out a rather intense experience from the Grinder approach. Gringos do learn that what they take for their great seductive prowess may in fact be the power of the green card… many a foreign beauty would love to bypass the hassles of the INS and get her feet on American soil… some unbelievably stunning women have approached me, and I ain’t pretty. Now, Carmine Baffa is one _bicho raro_ as they say, as strange a creature as I have ever met… he looks like Jose Feliciano crossed with a football player, powerful voice, he seems to have gone off on his own tangent out there in the midwest, almost like a booming minister with his devoted flock of oddballs. Seductive ? Ummmmm… no.. with a good hairstylist and wardrobe consultant he might actually look pretty sharp… I’m poking around, checking into what this generation of trainers and illuminati have to offer, wondering how may of them logged in any time with Dave Dobson, the master of congruity and no longer training due to congestive heart failure, Dobson could, when his mood suited him, use his voice in rather mind boggling and unexpected ways, far too few of these _soi disant_ masters ever heard of Dobson, much less trekked out to Puget Sound and learned from him… Well, they could hike up their britches and go work with Stephen Gilligan if they want to refine their understanding of the “relational field” (Gilligan’s phrase for an intersubjective mutual trance state), they could sit down and work with serious voice trainers in highly competitive commercial arenae like voice overs, theatrical voice… but that would be, you know, really hard work… ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2006, 11:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/san-francisco-hits/106/5 "2006-07-19T23:10:33Z")
as above, so below? > [@tacitus](#): > > as always, one must take into account the nuances of self presentation, the context, the phase of the moon (seriously, pheromones work better in some contexts during a full moon), one’s level of self awareness at the body-mind level, the fineness that one can read minimal cues, congruity, body language, one’s self presentation skills… came across this post from earlier in the year. tell me more about full moons, sunspots, geomagnetic storms and how people react to 'mones… it certainly seems to be true that there can be a peak in excitability in the run-up to a full moon that is followed by a release of emotions that had been built up. geomagnetic storms (peak in mar/apr and oct) make most people grumpy and neurotic. also from tchichevsky that people are more restless at periods of peak sunspot activity (2001, 1998, 1968 etc). curious to know how you feel this may influence receptivity to different pheromonal notes. i mean some things seem obvious - like be careful with androstenone when a gms is in progress but I bet you have some more developed ideas and would love to hear them.