# Scentless... Frustrated! **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [October 22, 2013, 7:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/scentless-frustrated/60296 "2013-10-22T19:54:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 3\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![ziltoid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c37758/32.png) [@ziltoid](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ziltoid)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2013, 7:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/scentless-frustrated/60296/1 "2013-10-22T19:54:39Z")
I hear rave reviews on Ammunition here all the time, but I have a serious problem with even trying it. I am a cologne fanatic and collector, I’ve sampled upwards of 50 or so colognes just this year, and I have a meticulously chosen 11 bottle collection. I am very, **very** particular about how I smell. I do not enjoy clashing scents on myself, and go out of my way to buy unscented deodorant, shampoo, hair gel… Contrary to what is advertised, I do not find the scent of the “instant” lineup to be easy to cover up, nor does it smell that great. I feel like I’m layering this feminine/fruity hair salon scent over top of all my beloved colognes (some of which it mixes at best tolerably with, some of which is an olfactory disaster). Though I keep seeing recommendations, I frankly am not even interested in trying Ammunition at this point because the odds of me liking the scent itself, no offense to its makers intended, are close to zero. Even if I did like the scent, I would not want to smell the same every time I opt to wear [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/). I like to mix things up, and I like to wear certain scents for certain scenarios. I was optimistic when I saw there is a “custom additions” section of the site that offers the removal of scent from certain products, and was content to just use up my current bottles and then reorder everything scentless the next time around… Until I realized; why does it cost **$75** to REMOVE scent from the products? I’m no economist, but if you’re taking an ingredient out of something, how are you not effectively making it cheaper to produce? Is the Instant lineup premixed in large batches? I’ve dropped an obscene amount of money on designer and niche colognes alike over the years, and am very strongly attached to the ones that I own, so it feels weird that I’d be charged extra for the audacity of not wanting to hamfistedly layer other scents on top of the $80-$200 bottle of cologne that I’m partial to. I’m kind of bummed out here… While I’ve had some interesting results with Androtics Direct pheromones so far (especially IS and IJ) and am curious to try Ammo, the scent is just plain not doing it for me. I will probably end up using up my existing bottles but I’m not sure I’ll be reordering anything. ---
**Author:** ![still18](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/34f0e0/32.png) [@still18](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/still18)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2013, 9:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/scentless-frustrated/60296/2 "2013-10-22T21:09:55Z")
> [@ziltoid](#): > > I hear rave reviews on Ammunition here all the time, but I have a serious problem with even trying it. > > I am a cologne fanatic and collector, I’ve sampled upwards of 50 or so colognes just this year, and I have a meticulously chosen 11 bottle collection. > I am very, **very** particular about how I smell. I do not enjoy clashing scents on myself, and go out of my way to buy unscented deodorant, shampoo, hair gel… > > Contrary to what is advertised, I do not find the scent of the “instant” lineup to be easy to cover up, nor does it smell that great. I feel like I’m layering this feminine/fruity hair salon scent over top of all my beloved colognes (some of which it mixes at best tolerably with, some of which is an olfactory disaster). > > Though I keep seeing recommendations, I frankly am not even interested in trying Ammunition at this point because the odds of me liking the scent itself, no offense to its makers intended, are close to zero. > Even if I did like the scent, I would not want to smell the same every time I opt to wear pheromones. I like to mix things up, and I like to wear certain scents for certain scenarios. > > I was optimistic when I saw there is a “custom additions” section of the site that offers the removal of scent from certain products, and was content to just use up my current bottles and then reorder everything scentless the next time around… Until I realized; why does it cost **$75** to REMOVE scent from the products? I’m no economist, but if you’re taking an ingredient out of something, how are you not effectively making it cheaper to produce? > Is the Instant lineup premixed in large batches? > > I’ve dropped an obscene amount of money on designer and niche colognes alike over the years, and am very strongly attached to the ones that I own, so it feels weird that I’d be charged extra for the audacity of not wanting to hamfistedly layer other scents on top of the $80-$200 bottle of cologne that I’m partial to. > > I’m kind of bummed out here… While I’ve had some interesting results with Androtics Direct pheromones so far (especially IS and IJ) and am curious to try Ammo, the scent is just plain not doing it for me. I will probably end up using up my existing bottles but I’m not sure I’ll be reordering anything. If you had interesting results with IS and IJ you could have your AMMO customized to Light Frangrance 6% [Neroli](https://a314.com/product-category/scented/androtics-neroli/) that would cost only $15 and cover it with your own cologne. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2013, 7:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/scentless-frustrated/60296/3 "2013-10-23T07:11:05Z")
The $75 charge for unscented is to discourage inexperienced users from ordering unscented, then coming back to moan when they find the pheros ineffective because they don’t diffuse properly or smell bad for lack of a cover scent. **However** if you are willing to do a little work to learn the basics of mixing and how to scent and regulate diffusion, they will often waive this charge. So long as you accept that these are now your own experimental mixes, that may be slightly different to the consumer line products and that any comment you make on them will have to reflect that (and the lack of warranty from the outset). A good search for instructions on how to mix alcohol/colognes and use DPG, some reading and an email to John or Mick might be in order if you want to proceed.