# Score cologne? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [September 28, 2007, 8:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/score-cologne/5752 "2007-09-28T08:04:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![david8866](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f475e1/32.png) [@david8866](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/david8866)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2007, 8:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/score-cologne/5752/1 "2007-09-28T08:04:23Z")
First time post, be gentle. We have a male friend, quite an obnoxious one. I don’t remember since how long ago, he became somewhat tolerable. Recently he’s so obnoxious again; in one conversation, he said he ran out of his signature cologne “Score”, and it is not available any more. I seem to remember it was on radio commercial, “Score” said to contain [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/). What do you guys and ladies think about that? What do you suggest to make him more likable? Maybe it is the scent make people around him feeling good? Does anyone know which regular perfume has similar scent to it? ---
**Author:** ![inkling](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/inkling/32/2326_2.png) [@inkling](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/inkling)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2007, 8:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/score-cologne/5752/2 "2007-09-28T08:55:58Z")
If your friend wants the cologne I found it listed on Ebay just trying to find info about contents. _copy and paste from the listing:_ _**Made in the USA SCORE [Pheromone Cologne](https://a314.com/shop/) 0.5 US fl oz / 14.7 ml**_ _ **SCORE Contains: Pheromone, Androstene, Dl water, Sexy Smelling Frangrance, SDA 39C** _ _ **Androstene increases Testosterone level which can promote Erection.** _ Personally, I’d go for Androtics products instead. Perhaps the guys here could tell you what is comparable or what pheromone it is that made the guy more tolerable. ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2007, 9:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/score-cologne/5752/3 "2007-09-28T09:46:50Z")
I wonder what Androstene is? A misspelled androstenone or androstenol? Or a trade name designed to trick the unaware into believing it’s a real mones rather than kitty tinkle in alcohol carrier? Sheesh most guys have no problem “promoting” erections. We normally have more than can possibly be useful. The problem is finding a damp and warm place to put it… ---
**Author:** ![inkling](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/inkling/32/2326_2.png) [@inkling](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/inkling)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2007, 9:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/score-cologne/5752/4 "2007-09-28T09:52:44Z")
I searched it for the same reason Gegogi. Other names for Androstenedione include: Andro, **Androstene** , and Androst-4-ene-3,17-dione. _What is it? Androstenedione is banned by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA). It has been used to increase muscle mass, improve strength, improve athletic performance, and increase testosterone (male sex hormone) as an alternative to anabolic steroids._ Why would it be in a cologne? ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2007, 1:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/score-cologne/5752/5 "2007-09-29T01:31:16Z")
Dang, Score is contraband! I guess that explains why they claim promotion of male wood. I can just see the ad copy: “Splash on Score and make wood. Be hard like the Rock of Gibraltar and bigger than Russia.” ---
**Author:** ![Fra\_Septimus](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/fra_septimus/32/692_2.png) [@Fra\_Septimus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Fra_Septimus)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2007, 2:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/score-cologne/5752/6 "2007-09-29T02:02:38Z")
And from an Australian government site on sports and drugs: “Possible side effects of androstenedione include liver damage, development of breast tissue in men, menstrual disturbances, hair loss, deepened voice, acne and infertility.”😮 😮 😮 😮 😮 [ASADA - Substances: Facts about substances: Androstenedione / Androstene](http://www.asada.gov.au/substances/facts/androstenedione.htm) ---
**Author:** ![pherouser3625](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a5b964/32.png) [@pherouser3625](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/pherouser3625)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2008, 8:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/score-cologne/5752/7 "2008-01-17T08:32:29Z")
> [@Fra\_Septimus](#): > > And from an Australian government site on sports and drugs: > > “Possible side effects of androstenedione include liver damage, development of breast tissue in men, menstrual disturbances, hair loss, deepened voice, acne and infertility.”😮 😮 😮 😮 😮 > > [ASADA - Substances: Facts about substances: Androstenedione / Androstene](http://www.asada.gov.au/substances/facts/androstenedione.htm) Sounds like a real ‘score’ to me 🙄 Buy him some and make sure he doesn’t start having ‘menstrual disturbances’😛 ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2008, 12:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/score-cologne/5752/8 "2008-01-17T12:58:58Z")
Androstenedione (Adrost-4-ene-3,17 dione) Is a steroid not a pheromone. Its what some ebay sellers claimed was in the cologne when this was first posted about which Inkling found and copied here for us. There is still one seller making this claim Depending on which ebayers product you look at each of them claim it has something different in it. I saw one say Androstenone, one say Androstenedione which is not even a pheromone and one say Androstadienone. They have no ideal whats in it and its obvious. I am all for making money on the net or ebay but if you decide to sell something know what the hell it is first. Androstadienone (delta 4 16 androstadien-3-one) Androstadienone I do believe there is a currant patent on Androstadienone used in colonges (Realm) which is why Androtics dosnt sell it in cologne form. In my opinion its a bogus product and if by chance it does have any [pheromones](https://a314.com/) in it at the price of $5.00 they would be losing money big time so there is probably so little in there that its undetectable. Products like this piss me off because they are the reason people Are so skeptical in alot of cases. Someone gets a hold of this as a first product and decides its all bogus. JMO Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gone_with_the_wind/32/2227_2.png) [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gone_with_the_Wind)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2008, 1:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/score-cologne/5752/9 "2008-01-17T13:15:05Z")
Quite a bit of this product hit the market after the FDA banned Androstenedione. I think it was selling at a higher price point when there were no legal problems with selling it. Someone got stuck with a lot of stock they couldn’t move easily. I picked up a number of bottles at $1 each a while back. I’m still testing but I don’t think it’s bogus. I think the FDA concerns are primarily with eating or injecting Androstenedione for its steroidal effects. I don’t anticipate problems with topical applications, but I could be wrong. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2008, 1:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/score-cologne/5752/10 "2008-01-17T13:25:58Z")
50 bottles 😮 Way to take one for the team LOL If its in there its just not a pheromone its a steroid and although most pheromones are created through conversion of hormones and steroids in our bodies into pheromones which we secrete. In the form of Androstenedione on the body its not going to convert IMO . It converts inside us, then it comes out in bodily functions such as sweat or urine. Let us know how you do with them. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gone_with_the_wind/32/2227_2.png) [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gone_with_the_Wind)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2008, 2:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/score-cologne/5752/11 "2008-01-17T14:00:58Z")
We have to avoid getting too tied up in conceptual models. If we define pheromones as molecules that transmit information through the air from one being to another, then precursors to hormones are also likely candidates as well as hormone breakdown products. In fact, I think Androtics sells some (legal) precursor molecules also. Perhaps one of us needs to make a nice map of testosterone synthesis and degradation, showing the various molecules involved. Any biochemists volunteer? ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2008, 2:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/score-cologne/5752/12 "2008-01-17T14:35:13Z")
> [@](#): > > Perhaps one of us needs to make a nice map of testosterone synthesis and degradation, showing the various molecules involved. Any biochemists volunteer? I think it would be a interesting and worth while study. Prehaps Androtics is already working on on as we speak. 😉 I certainly agree that many different types of molecules can effect peoples behavior. Not just pheromones, Take aromatherapy for instance. Many compounds are said to effect a persons well being and behavoir and have been used for centurys but they are not classified as pheromones. > [@](#): > > I think Androtics sells some (legal) precursor molecules also. I am very sure they do but they keep them in the advanced section and they are not classified as pheromones. This is my point. They are upfront and honest here. They dont try to pass something off just to sell the product like these other companies are doing. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Pheraoh](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pheraoh/32/857_2.png) [@Pheraoh](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pheraoh)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2008, 9:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/score-cologne/5752/13 "2008-01-17T21:30:34Z")
Certain testosterone treatments can take the form of transdermal topical creams, or nasal sprays. I think a scent carrier like alcohol would be an inferior form of delivery, not to mention the amount of mcgs is probably very little. Chances are the doses are probably so low that side effects would hardly be an issue. Excess testosterone in men gets converted to estrogen hence all side effects. Would probably be a great product for older men if anything. The product sounds like it may be effective though, as the chemical principal for arousal in women is when their endocrine system produces testosterone to mix with estrogen. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2008, 1:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/score-cologne/5752/14 "2008-01-18T01:16:49Z")
> [@](#): > > Androstenedione is further converted to either [testosterone](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testosterone) or [estrogen](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estrogen). Conversion of androstenedione to testosterone requires the enzyme [17β-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/17%CE%B2-hydroxysteroid_dehydrogenase), while conversion of androstenedione to estrogen (e.g. [estrone](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estrone) and [estradiol](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estradiol) requires the enzyme [aromatase](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aromatase). > [@](#): > > The product sounds like it may be effective though, as the chemical principal for arousal in women is when their endocrine system produces testosterone to mix with estrogen. Thats just it, Androstenedione is the precursor of Testosterone and estrogen, it hasnt been yet converted. Its dosnt become sexual (in nature) till after conversion. To convert it it would require other chemicals that the body produces. Now I am not saying it shouldnt be tested. Quite the contrary it should. We test things here all the time which may or may not act as pheromones. Its the whole point of the advanced section. But until more testing is done companies like those who sell score shouldnt mislead people. Thats just my opinion. It reminds me to much of Pherlure and there di-hydroepiandrosterone which dosnt exist. By the way the precurser to Androstenedione is dehydroepiandrosterone or DHEA which has already been labled a non pheromone. Does it mean people shouldnt test it, no of course not but at least they will be aware of what it is exactly and what its not. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gone_with_the_wind/32/2227_2.png) [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gone_with_the_Wind)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2008, 4:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/score-cologne/5752/15 "2008-01-18T04:55:47Z")
Here’s the synthesis map. ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/pheromonetalk/original/2X/1/1c04bdd7c6e648a3feb34911d3f4d0fd5c81c434.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Bella](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bella/32/1738_2.png) [@Bella](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bella)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2008, 8:19am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/score-cologne/5752/16 "2008-01-18T08:19:11Z")
These companies don’t know wtf’s in their products AND they seek to confuse the consumer as well. They prey on the _uninformed_ consumer. The people who get duped are the ones who haven’t done their research. Anybody who’s got the sense that God gave a _goat_, knows not to take any such claims at face value. If they do they learn quickly…sometimes, unfortunately, an expensive lesson. 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gone_with_the_wind/32/2227_2.png) [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gone_with_the_Wind)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2008, 12:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/score-cologne/5752/17 "2008-01-18T12:32:37Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Thats just it, Androstenedione is the precursor of Testosterone and estrogen, it hasnt been yet converted. Its dosnt become sexual (in nature) till after conversion. … Interesting hypothesis. Could it be that the presence of certain hormonal precursors in the scent signature signal overall health, and thus high mating potential? I don’t know or claim that they do, but it crosses my mind as a possibility. > [@tisha23](#): > > , By the way the precurser to Androstenedione is dehydroepiandrosterone or DHEA which has already been labled a non pheromone. Does it mean people shouldnt test it, no of course not but at least they will be aware of what it is exactly and what its not. Who is doing this labeling of compounds as pheromones or non-pheromones? Is there a cataloged list somewhere we can look for the “official” pronouncement on a certain compound? From what I’ve seen there is still considerable disagreement, even amongst the “experts.” ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2008, 1:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/score-cologne/5752/18 "2008-01-18T13:54:52Z")
> [@](#): > > Could it be that the presence of certain hormonal precursors in the scent signature signal overall health, and thus high mating potential? Could be and agree that further experimentation is needed and important to [pheromone research](https://pheromonelabs.com/). Those hormonal precursors are in every human body since they day your born. They help in the normal developement and growth of children into adults. This is why when most people look at children they get that feeling of health and vitality. Simular to a certain product here IMO. In one form it is still experimental in another it contains proven pheromones with it so its classified and presented as a pheromone. (wont go farther into that on the forum since its my opinion from my own researching and experience and I dont want to taint people perceptions of certain products). As those children grow up the balance of natural hormones and chemicals in the body send them into puberty. Still by the conversion that I mentioned above and am to lazy to write again LOL. This is when normal people start looking at them as having high mating potential. After the conversion. So can Androstenedione the precursor to estrogen and testosterone act as a pheromone. Its quite possible, although not necessarily as a sexual signal as score is presenting it. Its my opinion that if it does act as a pheromone, Androtics will be the first to prove it even though I am sure in science it will be debated long after I am gone. I am not in anyway suggesting that further tests should not be explored by pheromone users or science. Its part of the reason we are here trying new potential products. I am still learning like everyone else. With all that being said its not really the point of my above posts though. My pet peeve is how some companies present there products to be something that they are not. Score is even a worse offender then Pherlure in my opinion. The people who sell it on ebay are not even sure whats in it or if it acts as a pheromone or not. I think it puts pheromone research back in a way in the eyes of the people who are allready skeptical on the subject. As Bella said they prey upon the uninformed and in my opinion set pheromone research back. > [@](#): > > Who is doing this labeling of compounds as pheromones or non-pheromones? Is there a cataloged list somewhere we can look for the “official” pronouncement on a certain compound? From what I’ve seen there is still considerable disagreement, even amongst the “experts.” In scientific circles anything that has not been proven to be what its expected to be yet has the word “non” in front of it or putative. My brother is a scientist/chemical engineer for exxon and I hear it alot from him and have even argued the point but he always wins (snort)😛 > [@](#): > > Just for the new peoples benefits… > PUTATIVE > **1** **:** commonly accepted or supposed > **2** **:** assumed to exist or to have existed I have also read studies here and there which mention the word “non pheromone” when it comes to certain compounds or molocules. Of course its still disagreed upon thats the point of the word non. I am not saying that because its written or classified that way it will never be proven to be a pheromone. I am saying that until further test results are available its classified as a non pheromone. Jeez gotta stop hanging with my brother I am starting to sound like him. LOL Prehaps I am spoiled to all other companies because of the way Androtics is so up front with the way they present there products in the advanced section and let us share in the research. Its something that has always drawn me to this company above others. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gone_with_the_wind/32/2227_2.png) [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gone_with_the_Wind)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2008, 2:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/score-cologne/5752/19 "2008-01-18T14:06:59Z")
Unfortunately I think much further research on pheromonal properties of Androstenedione will be hampered by the FDA ban. I’m guessing the deal with the Score is that a bunch was dumped on the market after the ban, when it became unsellable through normal outlets. E-bay marketeers snapped it up in quantity at $1 a bottle or less as I did, and are turning it around at $5 a bottle for a quick profit. They do this with all kinds of products they know little about. If blue socks go out of fashion they will sell overstocked blue socks in a similar manner. These retailers may know little more about the product than what they read on the label. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2008, 3:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/score-cologne/5752/20 "2008-01-18T15:08:11Z")
> [@](#): > > Unfortunately I think much further research on pheromonal properties of Androstenedione will be hampered by the FDA ban. Could be but you have 50 bottles of it although probably in low ratios of mone to carrier so some testing can be done still. Who knows maybe androtics has it 🆒 Not sure if the FDA ban would include products that are not ingested either but maybe they did so I agree they are probably unloading it all. [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/score-cologne/5752.md?page=2)