# sd alcohol destroys pheromones? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [April 21, 2010, 6:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/sd-alcohol-destroys-pheromones/37911 "2010-04-21T06:28:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Trushotta817](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a587f6/32.png) [@Trushotta817](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Trushotta817)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2010, 6:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/sd-alcohol-destroys-pheromones/37911/1 "2010-04-21T06:28:25Z")
Is it true that alcohol destroy [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/) if soo why does apr have sd alcohol 40 in it 😕 ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2010, 6:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/sd-alcohol-destroys-pheromones/37911/2 "2010-04-21T06:44:01Z")
> [@Alcohol or oil?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/alcohol-or-oil/37405/4): > > I read that alcohol destroys pheromones. Is that true? No, there is no evidence that alcohol destroys pheromones. In fact, alcohol may destroy bacteria that can break pheromones down slowly over time. Pure oil-base pheromone samples and products like Primal Instinct do seem to lose some potency with age, but it is a slow process that takes years and can be avoided to some extent by storing such products away from sunlight and heat, and keeping the cap on tightly. Bottom line is… there are prod… ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2010, 6:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/sd-alcohol-destroys-pheromones/37911/3 "2010-04-21T06:57:06Z")
Androtics uses SD38 and or SD39 (just a better quality grade of perfumers alcohol) in our products. It absolutely enhances the pheromones! Where did you read such rubbish? Please cite the source so we can quickly dispel it as false.🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2010, 8:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/sd-alcohol-destroys-pheromones/37911/4 "2010-04-21T08:09:54Z")
> [@Trushotta817](#): > > Is it true that alcohol destroy pheromones if soo Only if you drink it. ---
**Author:** ![joel2280](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/joel2280/32/1341_2.png) [@joel2280](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/joel2280)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2010, 8:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/sd-alcohol-destroys-pheromones/37911/5 "2010-04-21T08:44:22Z")
> [@Gegogi](#): > > Only if you drink it. So ingesting alcohol destroys Pheromones?? Natural Pheromones or manufactured ?? ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2010, 9:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/sd-alcohol-destroys-pheromones/37911/6 "2010-04-21T09:00:59Z")
Heh, someone can’t tell when someone is joking. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![joel2280](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/joel2280/32/1341_2.png) [@joel2280](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/joel2280)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2010, 10:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/sd-alcohol-destroys-pheromones/37911/7 "2010-04-21T10:09:34Z")
> [@mikotorocks714](#): > > Heh, someone can’t tell when someone is joking. 😛 LMAO!! Gegogi is thinking DA!! 😛😛 ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2010, 10:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/sd-alcohol-destroys-pheromones/37911/8 "2010-04-21T10:16:37Z")
I am thinking there must be some marketer out there with a oil product spreading this bullshit because its been asked a lot lately. LOL Not your fault there is a lot of conflicting misinformation out there and its hard to know what to believe. In chemistry Alcohol is used to stabilize molecules including pheromones, Hormones and Steroids. This you can see in many University abstracts that test pheromones and have nothing to do with the marketing of pheromones. If alcohol was a problem they would not use it in there experiments. Bacteria is what breaks down hormones. Alcohol breaks down enzymes. (like bacteria) but hormones are not enzymes they are … > [@](#): > > There are four types of hormones in most animals. They are grouped by the chemicals from which they are made. When scientists say hormones are _derived from_ it means they are _made from_ something by changing it. These changes are chemical changes. > > - Steroid hormones – these are _derived from_ [cholesterl](http://www.pheromonetalk.com/wiki/Cholesterol). The three big groups of steroid hormones are: sex hormones, glucocorticoids, and mineralocorticoids. > > - Lipid hormones – these are hormones derived from lipids, which are kinds of [fats](http://www.pheromonetalk.com/wiki/Fat). These are mostly hormones that send messages _nearby_ the cell that makes the hormones. > > - Amino acid – these are derived from amino acids which are the molecules from which proteins are made. These are important in the brain. Many of these hormones are neurotransmitters. These are the hormones that one [nerve](http://www.pheromonetalk.com/wiki/Nerve) cell sends to another nerve cell. > > - Protein – these are hormones that are proteins which are made from amino acids that are connected together. Many of these hormones tell _other_ glands to make other hormones. These are also important hormones that regulate metabolism. Pheromones are derived from hormones. Now oil based [pheromones products](https://a314.com/shop/) have a short “lifespan” compared to alcohol based products unless a antibacterial EO is used in the mix. Pheromones can be quickly converted or turn rancid in a oil base if not handled and stored properly. Now this part gets a little tricky, confusing and some of us have a difference of opinion when it comes to mixing. Some people say you should not mix with a EO that has anti bacterial properties. I dont agree. As I mentioned bacteria breaks down pheromones. You want to prevent this from happening to a certain extent because **anol is anol until it breaks down usually into anone but then the anone starts to break down into something else which then becomes non-pheromonal in nature…** Bold part edited for correction (Thanks guys) ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/pheromonetalk/original/2X/2/20a655de696e116be6e1ae5c2dd1385787f39642.gif) …You dont want break down you want diffusion. Heat causes diffusion not bacterial conversion. Anywho… that subject aside. You dont need to worry with Androtics products because the alcohol actually stabilizes the molecules. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![minimalistic](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/minimalistic/32/1676_2.png) [@minimalistic](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/minimalistic)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2010, 4:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/sd-alcohol-destroys-pheromones/37911/9 "2010-04-21T16:33:18Z")
Tish, im confused. i thought anol breaks down into anone and not vice versa? ---
**Author:** ![Maidenfan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Maidenfan01](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Maidenfan01)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2010, 6:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/sd-alcohol-destroys-pheromones/37911/10 "2010-04-21T18:53:07Z")
Erm me too. I thought it went like this A1-anol-anone Maybe she had a brain fart. ---
**Author:** ![joel2280](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/joel2280/32/1341_2.png) [@joel2280](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/joel2280)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2010, 7:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/sd-alcohol-destroys-pheromones/37911/11 "2010-04-21T19:13:42Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > I am thinking there must be some marketer out there with a oil product spreading this bullshit because its been asked a lot lately. LOL Not your fault there is a lot of conflicting misinformation out there and its hard to know what to believe. > > In chemistry Alcohol is used to stabilize molecules including pheromones, Hormones and Steroids. This you can see in many University abstracts that test pheromones and have nothing to do with the marketing of pheromones. If alcohol was a problem they would not use it in there experiments. > > Bacteria is what breaks down hormones. > > Alcohol breaks down enzymes. (like bacteria) but hormones are not enzymes they are … > > Pheromones are derived from hormones. > > Now oil based pheromones products have a short “lifespan” compared to alcohol based products unless a antibacterial EO is used in the mix. Pheromones can be quickly converted or turn rancid in a oil base if not handled and stored properly. > > Now this part gets a little tricky, confusing and some of us have a difference of opinion when it comes to mixing. > > Some people say you should not mix with a EO that has anti bacterial properties. I dont agree. As I mentioned bacteria breaks down pheromones. You want to prevent this from happening to a certain extent because anone is anone until it breaks down usually into anol but then the anol starts to break down into something else which then becomes non-pheromonal in nature. > > You dont want break down you want diffusion. Heat causes diffusion not bacterial conversion. > > Anywho… that subject aside. You dont need to worry with Androtics products because the alcohol actually stabilizes the molecules. > > Tisha Great Info Tisha!! 🙄🙄 So if alcohol stabilizes the sprays?? What stabilizes the oils? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2010, 8:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/sd-alcohol-destroys-pheromones/37911/12 "2010-04-21T20:56:33Z")
Whooops LOL Thank you very much for pointing that out, even though I know this well I did get it backwards . That’s what I get for typing to fast that early in the morning. Sometimes my hands move faster then my brain … Hey never claimed to be perfect…Yes Tisha has brain farts to LOL 😃 Here is the correct conversion **(Androstadienone \> Androstenol \> androstenone).** I will edit as to not confuse the newbies. Now because androtics uses alcohol and very high quality pheromones conversion rarely occurs unless you spray to places high in the coryneform bacteria like your pits and groin so you really dont have to worry about major conversion. > [@](#): > > So if alcohol stabilizes the sprays?? What stabilizes the oils? 😕 I dont know what Androtics uses in oils but I would say Dipropylene glycol. I have used jojoba oil and I know this is what Drsmellthis uses are well from his postings on it. This post may help you with that more … > [@Which of oil a dissolver for pure androstenone, -ol (crystal)?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/which-of-oil-a-dissolver-for-pure-androstenone-ol-crystal/26114): > > Someone can knows in what oil it is possible to dissolve pure androstenone -ol (crystal)? Vegetable oils, almond or jojoba interest. It can be possible at increase a temperature or by means of intermediate solvent which then can be dissolved in oil. On the Internet a lot of information that androstenone -ol is dissolved in alcohol. But how to dissolve it in oil I information could not find frowning Though production on the basis of oils has enough. What oil is used for it and which a technolog… Thanks again guys 😉 Tisha ---
**Author:** ![joel2280](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/joel2280/32/1341_2.png) [@joel2280](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/joel2280)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2010, 9:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/sd-alcohol-destroys-pheromones/37911/13 "2010-04-21T21:27:30Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Whooops LOL Thank you very much for pointing that out, even though I know this well I did get it backwards . That’s what I get for typing to fast that early in the morning. Sometimes my hands move faster then my brain … Hey never claimed to be perfect…Yes Tisha has brain farts to LOL 😃 > > Here is the correct conversion > > **(Androstadienone \> Androstenol \> androstenone).** > > I will edit as to not confuse the newbies. > > Now because androtics uses alcohol and very high quality pheromones conversion rarely occurs unless you spray to places high in the coryneform bacteria like your pits and groin so you really dont have to worry about major conversion. > > I dont know what Androtics uses in oils but I would say Dipropylene glycol. I have used jojoba oil and I know this is what Drsmellthis uses are well from his postings on it. > > This post may help you with that more … > > [Which of oil a dissolver for pure androstenone, -ol (crystal)?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/which-of-oil-a-dissolver-for-pure-androstenone-ol-crystal/26114) > > Thanks again guys 😉 > > Tisha You really know your stuff!! You single? 😉 😃🆒 ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 2:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/sd-alcohol-destroys-pheromones/37911/14 "2010-04-22T02:01:20Z")
Actually, Tisha, it is a “marketer”. I saw them on eBay… don’t know if they’re still selling there, but they make a big deal out of how alcohol destroys pheros and anything with alcohol in it is a scam. Which is pretty stupid, considering how fast it backfires when people realize they’re full of sh\*t. ---
**Author:** ![reddog](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/reddog/32/2091_2.png) [@reddog](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/reddog)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 2:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/sd-alcohol-destroys-pheromones/37911/15 "2010-04-22T02:21:48Z")
Just in case you did not know alcohol kills bacteria; some EO’s kill bacteria and that should clear up NOT using those EO’s that kill or inhibit bacteria. Both can be bacterialcidal. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 2:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/sd-alcohol-destroys-pheromones/37911/16 "2010-04-22T14:43:16Z")
> [@reddog](#): > > Just in case you did not know alcohol kills bacteria; some EO’s kill bacteria and that should clear up NOT using those EO’s that kill or inhibit bacteria. Both can be bacterialcidal. I believe MHarris before anyone else and if Harris says some EO’s will kill the bacteria the mones need, well I believe him.