# Self Effects, immune? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [June 14, 2008, 9:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/self-effects-immune/13923 "2008-06-14T21:22:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![WildFlower](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wildflower/32/1260_2.png) [@WildFlower](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/WildFlower)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2008, 9:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/self-effects-immune/13923/1 "2008-06-14T21:22:45Z")
Those like myself who don’t get any self effects of certain products (for me it Instant Shine) does this mean if someone else was wearing it around me I would not notice any difference? Will people I interact with be immune to certain [pheromone products](https://a314.com/shop/)? ---
**Author:** ![mockingbird](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mockingbird/32/1790_2.png) [@mockingbird](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2008, 9:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/self-effects-immune/13923/2 "2008-06-14T21:26:09Z")
Probably it wont make any difference if someone else was wearing ishine instead of you. I think it is pretty normal that some people dont feel the effects of [pheromone](https://a314.com/), so no worry since most people wont be immune to the products you are wearing 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2008, 9:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/self-effects-immune/13923/3 "2008-06-14T21:32:03Z")
Every single person wont react to your pheromone signature. There are a lot of other factors to consider. Do they smoke ? Stuffy nose ? Allergies ? Are they distracted or tired stressed ? Its human nature to bury reactions and feelings when something else pressing is on our minds. Also as you mentioned if the molecule is something they are exposed to all the time they become accustomed to it. Its why I rotate my products so people cant become overly used to them. I get no self effects from IFM, nothing nada zip even if someone else is wearing it. I think its because I am generally calm already and perhaps the men in my family make a lot of that mone already. However I have seen it work on others so I know its just a mone that doesn’t fit me personally but is still useful to me Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Inkob](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/inkob/32/985_2.png) [@Inkob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Inkob)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2008, 9:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/self-effects-immune/13923/4 "2008-06-14T21:58:32Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Every single person wont react to your pheromone signature. There are a lot of other factors to consider. > > Do they smoke ? > > Stuffy nose ? > > Allergies ? > > Are they distracted or tired stressed ? Its human nature to bury reactions and feelings when something else pressing is on our minds. > > Also as you mentioned if the molecule is something they are exposed to all the time they become accustomed to it. Its why I rotate my products so people cant become overly used to them. I get no self effects from Instant Female Magic, nothing nada zip even if someone else is wearing it. I think its because I am generally calm already and perhaps the men in my family make a lot of that pheromone already. However I have seen it work on others so I know its just a pheromone that doesn’t fit me personally but is still useful to me > > Tisha What about if they smoke? Do you need a bigger dose of phermons? ---
**Author:** ![WildFlower](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wildflower/32/1260_2.png) [@WildFlower](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/WildFlower)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2008, 9:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/self-effects-immune/13923/5 "2008-06-14T21:59:36Z")
Thanks Trisha, I get no self effects from [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) either. I notice quite a few members on here don’t get self effects on some products so surley that means that some of the general public won’t notice any different if I had Instant Shine on or not. It’s strange really I wonder whats different in these people (excluding smoking and allergies) is it because there less self aware of there emotions or could it be something more like how the VNO and various parts of the brain ‘talk’ to each other is different. ---
**Author:** ![WildFlower](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wildflower/32/1260_2.png) [@WildFlower](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/WildFlower)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2008, 10:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/self-effects-immune/13923/6 "2008-06-14T22:01:37Z")
> [@Inkob](#): > > What about if they smoke? Do you need a bigger dose of phermons? Thank god for the smoking ban in the UK. It’s not even been a year but I can’t ever imagine someone smoking in a pub now, it’s just dirty. ---
**Author:** ![Daedelus76](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Daedelus76](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Daedelus76)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2008, 12:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/self-effects-immune/13923/7 "2008-06-15T00:27:22Z")
Wildflower, the VNO thing is debatable. An organism doesn’t need a VNO to smell [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) and the brain to detect them, lots of species detect pheromones without a VNO. If you can’t detect a pheromone self-effects, it doesn’t mean your nose is broken (necessarily). Now, the fact you can’t consciously pick up on self-effects shouldn’t bug you. They are probably influencing you, you just aren’t aware of how. Don’t worry about it. I tried TAK yesterday and only became aware of what it did fully today, after experiencing it in a higher dosage (and in fact I’m almost certain TAK is just WAGG, the self-effects at a high dosage are the same). Then I could go back and see “wow, it was probably doing lots of little stuff but it was so low key I couldn’t see it”. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2008, 12:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/self-effects-immune/13923/8 "2008-06-15T00:40:10Z")
Tak is not wagg. Its a single molecule. Wagg is a mix of molecules Now wagg could have a simular molecule in it . 🙂 Tisha ---
**Author:** ![K24](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/k24/32/1513_2.png) [@K24](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/K24)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2008, 4:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/self-effects-immune/13923/9 "2008-06-15T04:21:28Z")
I’v also wondered about that and these are the conclusions I came up with: 1. a lot of times the self effects are subtle, not “the buzz” some people describes (i believe those have nothing to do with VNO). e.g. when you put on -Androstenol products, sometimes you probably wonder if it really works, but at the end of the day when you looked back, you all of a sudden realise you started more conversations, said something out of the ordinary which even surprised yourself. 1. not sure if this is 100% correct, but I heard people on high protein diet have higher levels of neurotransmitter, again this relates to one’s blood type and genetics. does this affects other people? directly, i believe the short answer is no. indirectly, maybe yes, pheromones are attached to your own signature, e.g. more self confidence = maybe more congruent with the pheromones = more effective? who knows…pheromones are complicated already so I try not to think about it too much, got many other things to worry about. I just use it…afterall no one can answer these questions. ---
**Author:** ![K24](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/k24/32/1513_2.png) [@K24](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/K24)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2008, 4:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/self-effects-immune/13923/10 "2008-06-15T04:54:30Z")
I forgot to mention smoking, caffeine, alcohol all have a negative effect on the neurotransmitters. so the point i’m trying to make is the main objective of using pheromones is to affect others, self-effect is just a bonus. you should worry more about the target you are trying to affect, their habbits etc. ---
**Author:** ![Inkob](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/inkob/32/985_2.png) [@Inkob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Inkob)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2008, 8:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/self-effects-immune/13923/11 "2008-06-15T08:17:39Z")
> [@K24](#): > > I forgot to mention smoking, caffeine, alcohol all have a negative effect on the neurotransmitters. > > so the point i’m trying to make is the main objective of using pheromones is to affect others, self-effect is just a bonus. you should worry more about the target you are trying to affect, their habbits etc. Sorry i didnt get that? Pheromones has bigger effects on non smoker, alkohol and coffe drinker? If I self drinks a lot of coffe it can be one reason wy i need i higher dose of [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/)? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![K24](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/k24/32/1513_2.png) [@K24](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/K24)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2008, 8:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/self-effects-immune/13923/12 "2008-06-15T08:51:35Z")
I said negative effects, not positive effects 😃 smoking and drinking affects your neuro pathways, toxins to your brain. coffee is fine, as long as you don’t drink 10 cups a day I guess, I do drink coffee and red bull on a regular basis. anyway, like i said, forget about it, you can’t control all these factors of other people. you DON’T need self-effects to see the pheromones working. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2008, 9:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/self-effects-immune/13923/13 "2008-06-15T09:16:45Z")
> [@](#): > > Thanks Trisha, I get no self effects from Instant Female Magic either. > > I notice quite a few members on here don’t get self effects on some products so surley that means that some of the general public won’t notice any different if I had Instant Shine on or not. It’s strange really I wonder whats different in these people (excluding smoking and allergies) is it because there less self aware of there emotions or could it be something more like how the VNO and various parts of the brain ‘talk’ to each other is different. Its not really a question or neurotransmitters or the debated VNO. Smoking and being exposed to a lot of second hand smoke simply irritates the nasal passage causes it to swell and making it more difficult for the molecule to get to its destination. It doesn’t make it impossible though. Most times in smoking environments I just use 1 spray more then the usual. I do find its harder to get a reaction from people who are heavy smokers. Tisha