# Serious Question Time **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [January 3, 2013, 12:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/serious-question-time/57737 "2013-01-03T00:15:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Evilcalyptic](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/evilcalyptic/32/1567_2.png) [@Evilcalyptic](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Evilcalyptic)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2013, 12:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/serious-question-time/57737/1 "2013-01-03T00:15:18Z")
Ok ok ya ken super serious here ! How much is it the total amout of androstenone you want to be shellin’ off including natural signature? And how do i add the two up (natural and faux) to get the total mcg? I figure to effect a lass (50kg Pale thin white girl) there would be a singular number. so for example; LAD 1: Natural 4.5mcg of androstenone, wearing 5.5mcg of -none mones. Totals in **10mcg** LAD 2: Super lad, natural 8mcg in androstenone, wearing 2mcg of -none mones. Totals in **10mcg** **My point is shouldnt the hen get the same signal from both guys?** **and what is that NUMBER!?** ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2013, 2:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/serious-question-time/57737/2 "2013-01-03T02:12:41Z")
There is no number that fits every women or man for that manner. Suppose when tested a male’s numbers come out 4.5 mcgs. That is going to fluctuate during the day due to different variables. Diet, time of day, state of mind, amount of bacteria on the body all have an effect on your natural anone production. All the test tells you is what your level was at the moment of the test. Then you have to calculate the womens threshold. There are other variables to consider there, experiences and general exposure. Women tend to attract to signatures close to those of the men they have grown up around. However… suppose there was a way to accurately calculate the amount of anone you produce. If both men produced 10 mcgs then yes the signal would be the same to that one female. The reason most users have a range of dosage that works for them with all mone products is because of that fluctuation. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Evilcalyptic](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/evilcalyptic/32/1567_2.png) [@Evilcalyptic](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Evilcalyptic)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2013, 2:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/serious-question-time/57737/3 "2013-01-03T02:18:41Z")
Very true, however; I was looking for more of a general mathamatical ideal range for instance Asians 5-8mcg, white 8-15mcg hispanic/black 15-25mcg and to get a general idea of where i am in mcg not in sprays. So my Androstenone Level = 7.8 (High), I know im manly and do the whole primal thing, I like to tiki dance and do mating ceremonies.. bleh. Anyway, so that would be 7.8 + 2 sprays of ammo (5mcg -none) totaling in 12.8mcg (+ or - 1.5mcg)… so i would attract more white lasses… theoretically I suppose i could go through and do this all myself through test trial and error to determine the general mcg ranges of every [pheromone](https://a314.com/) for each range of women, Age and race. you see how much easier it would be to have a close to percise number though? Like as noob, all you need to do is take the test to get your natural phero ranges then look at my chart and go ok… so I want young asians, thats; 5-8mcg androstenone, 15-20mcg of androsterone, etc… and you will know close to exactly how much of each phero you would need or a good general idea of what range to start in.. (EDIT) OR i could just have the entire forum help me build a range table, were like one giant mone testing computer. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2013, 2:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/serious-question-time/57737/4 "2013-01-03T02:58:01Z")
> [@](#): > > So my Androstenone Level = 7.8 (High), I know im manly and do the whole primal thing, I like to tiki dance and do mating ceremonies.. bleh. > Anyway, so that would be 7.8 + 2 sprays of ammo (5mcg -none) totaling in 12.8mcg… so i would attract more white lasses… theoretically Theoretically yes it would help in a controlled scientific environment. Not a real life environment though. This is what makes the scientific testing of mones so slow going. They work differently in a real life environment then they do in a controlled one. Because of those variables though there are no number ranges we can give. A guy can wake up in the morning with 7.8 mcgs. By afternoon be up to 12 mcgs and then see a hot girl and it will spike to 20 mcgs. Some Caucasian “lasses” will respond to that high sexual signal and some will balk at it depending on there state of mind when exposed and the environment. For instance I may respond to that signal in a social environment but balk at it when I am at work. This doesn’t mean I find your signal unattractive when at work. I just may not have time for it or its not appropriate to my beliefs and values to act on it then. The environment dictates my behavior so if I see you in the pub later and your signature is a bit lower I may still respond then. See my point on variables. Numbers are great but still only can give a general prediction of what could happen. In my opinion its more effective work in generalities and concentrate on just the synthetic numbers, which you can control, then it is to try to control your natural numbers and the environment. Edit to add… > [@](#): > > I suppose i could go through and do this all myself through test trial and error to determine the general [mcg](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram) ranges of every pheromone for each range of women, Age and race. > you see how much easier it would be to have a close to percise number though? Like as noob, all you need to do is take the test to get your natural phero ranges then look at my chart and go ok… so I want young asians, thats; 5-8mcg [androstenone](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/) , 15-20mcg of androsterone, etc… and you will know close to exactly how much of each phero you would need or a good general idea of what range to start in.. You could and I am not discouraging it as long as people know its still just general not even close to percise. Wait let me reword that… It would be percise with numbers but not with results for each person. It seems easier to just start low and work up till you see results though. I really dont need to know my numbers or someone elses to determine what will generally work for a person. Its all the other information about them and there life that determines what will garner the results they are looking for. I am sure it would be useful and interesting though so I say if you can make the chart go for it. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Evilcalyptic](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/evilcalyptic/32/1567_2.png) [@Evilcalyptic](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Evilcalyptic)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2013, 3:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/serious-question-time/57737/5 "2013-01-03T03:18:04Z")
shite… ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2013, 5:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/serious-question-time/57737/6 "2013-01-03T05:15:15Z")
The best way is IME to do as much testing as you can around as wide a range of people as possible in as wide a range of conditions and note your results. That way you will build-up an idea of what ranges work well for different people/conditions and by shaking things-up a bit occasionally you will then get an idea of how the exceptions and variables might be handled. Then so-armed, you can get down to fine-tuning your dose/mix for individuals as you get to know them better. And there really is no way to determine exact phero output without following the test subject around with a testing tent and having the samples taken at all sorts of times/places worked-over by an experienced mass spec operator. Which is exactly what we did in our phero work on insect repellents a few years back - It took literally hundreds of readings over a protracted period to get a reliable profile for each of our subjects. ---
**Author:** ![Marihino](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/marihino/32/1286_2.png) [@Marihino](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Marihino)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2013, 9:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/serious-question-time/57737/7 "2013-01-03T09:00:41Z")
another thread with this idea being pushed… Why not make a chart with pickup lines then? Like, “hello” works 40% of the time and “hi” 42%, so it’s better to say “hi”? Or, better to wear a yellow shirt to a club than a green one, because someone said that he got laid after wearing a yellow one? It’s human communication, it’s the most complex subject in the world, you cannot break it down to the number of micrograms. I’ve had some success with absolutely crazy amounts of androsterone and androstenone, definitely deep in the OD zone. I’ve also had some spectacular success not wearing any [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/) at all, close to not even my natural ones, as right after long shower/bath. Let’s say the woman in that first (OD) case was a brunette, and the latter one was a mousy blonde. Does it mean that the effective amount of androstenone for brunettes is something around 40mcg, and for mousy blondes 0mcg? No, it means that there so many other things going on that it’s impossible to make this chart. Just my opinion. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2013, 9:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/serious-question-time/57737/8 "2013-01-03T09:26:28Z")
Exactly why sweet spot testing is important. When you start at one spray and build it up to where you feel you get a generalized feel good vibe, you are actually doing it for numerous reasons. You start with one spray for several days so you can acclimate yourself with low dosages to understand when and where those low dosages are appropriate. You’re not wearing one to really get a feel on what it won’t do, but rather what it will do. I wouldn’t wear more than one spray of TUTH or [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) to certain spots because of the testing I have done. In these scenarios I know that the best results come not from my sweet spot for myself, but the sweet spot for the situation. Just like I know when to wear 3 or 5 sprays of TUTH or Ammo. I think most guys on here are under the assumption that sweet spot testing is for you. On some level it is, but the more intuitive and socially aware know that sweet spot testing is for the environment and the objective with just a little bit of you thrown into the mix. ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2013, 12:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/serious-question-time/57737/9 "2013-01-03T12:30:06Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > There is no number that fits every women or man for that manner. > > Suppose when tested a male’s numbers come out 4.5 mcgs. That is going to fluctuate during the day due to different variables. > > Diet, time of day, state of mind, amount of bacteria on the body all have an effect on your natural anone production. All the test tells you is what your level was at the moment of the test. > > Then you have to calculate the womens threshold. There are other variables to consider there, experiences and general exposure. Women tend to attract to signatures close to those of the men they have grown up around. > > However… suppose there was a way to accurately calculate the amount of anone you produce. If both men produced 10 mcgs then yes the signal would be the same to that one female. > > The reason most users have a range of dosage that works for them with all mone products is because of that fluctuation. > > Tisha After checking Wikipedia again, yes, apocrine sweat–where mammal pheros come from–tends to be produced in bursts. It is not like eccrine sweat, which, when you’re hot, will flow like a river. Bacterial action will ultimately decompose apocrine sweat and lead to odor. If you use anti-bacterials (triclosan), you may be killing your natural bacteria, something doctors increasingly do not recommend. Washing in anti-bacterial soaps merely promotes growth of harmful bacteria, like staph. ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2013, 12:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/serious-question-time/57737/10 "2013-01-03T12:34:39Z")
> [@Steve](#): > > Exactly why sweet spot testing is important. When you start at one spray and build it up to where you feel you get a generalized feel good vibe, you are actually doing it for numerous reasons. > > You start with one spray for several days so you can acclimate yourself with low dosages to understand when and where those low dosages are appropriate. You’re not wearing one to really get a feel on what it won’t do, but rather what it will do. I wouldn’t wear more than one spray of TUTH or Ammo to certain spots because of the testing I have done. In these scenarios I know that the best results come not from my sweet spot for myself, but the sweet spot for the situation. > > Just like I know when to wear 3 or 5 sprays of TUTH or Ammo. I think most guys on here are under the assumption that sweet spot testing is for you. On some level it is, but the more intuitive and socially aware know that sweet spot testing is for the environment and the objective with just a little bit of you thrown into the mix. Yep. I can use truckloads of product in club situations. try that in a business office or a car, you got problems. I love me some 3 sprays of IShine or IO in a club. If you are in a car with someone for an hour, however, you may get more than you bargained for. Wear too much NONE to the chest…you can’t wash it off. Date may get up and bolt from the car. Last thing you want is OD on NONE in a confined space. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2013, 11:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/serious-question-time/57737/11 "2013-01-04T11:47:59Z")
I have been trying to thank you and or rep you monesmadedoit, but apparently they aren’t working right. Anyone else having this issue? ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2013, 1:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/serious-question-time/57737/12 "2013-01-04T13:03:43Z")
> [@Steve](#): > > I have been trying to thank you and or rep you monesmadedoit, but apparently they aren’t working right. Anyone else having this issue? Nope I just thanked him for you and it worked fine. Tisha