# seriousness gets no love **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [January 4, 2008, 3:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/seriousness-gets-no-love/8048 "2008-01-04T15:52:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Genesis](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/genesis/32/440_2.png) [@Genesis](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Genesis)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2008, 3:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/seriousness-gets-no-love/8048/1 "2008-01-04T15:52:32Z")
first off, i apologize for making 2 threads, but they’re totally different topics so i didn’t want to combine them and confused people. it seems that even though i’m wearing none products (mx103, ammo) mixed with androstenol (cttm) i may be giving off a very strong and serious vibe. my friends always tells me that i look almost mean sometimes and it makes people afraid to approach me. unless i start most conversations and keep it going, they do not run themselves at all. even so, sometimes when i create the conversation and keep it going, my persona is actually very sarcastic and i make a lot of jokes, people may not seem me as friendly or may take my jokes offensively. any comments on this? ---
**Author:** ![z414a4d](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/z414a4d/32/1299_2.png) [@z414a4d](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/z414a4d)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2008, 3:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/seriousness-gets-no-love/8048/2 "2008-01-04T15:56:15Z")
If that is the case (someone please correct me if im wrong) But you would want to steer a little bit more away from Androstenol products like CTTM2 / A314 / IG – AMMO has a little (I think, right guys?) but i dont think it would be enough to cause that kind of vibe, but then again everyone is different. I would stick with the socials til you get a little bit better grasp of everything and find the right dosages. ---
**Author:** ![z414a4d](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/z414a4d/32/1299_2.png) [@z414a4d](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/z414a4d)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2008, 3:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/seriousness-gets-no-love/8048/3 "2008-01-04T15:56:35Z")
Oh ya, What are you looking to to get from pheros? ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2008, 4:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/seriousness-gets-no-love/8048/4 "2008-01-04T16:04:40Z")
> [@Genesis](#): > > first off, i apologize for making 2 threads, but they’re totally different topics so i didn’t want to combine them and confused people. > > it seems that even though i’m wearing none products (mx103, ammo) mixed with androstenol (cttm) i may be giving off a very strong and serious vibe. my friends always tells me that i look almost mean sometimes and it makes people afraid to approach me. unless i start most conversations and keep it going, they do not run themselves at all. even so, sometimes when i create the conversation and keep it going, my persona is actually very sarcastic and i make a lot of jokes, people may not seem me as friendly or may take my jokes offensively. > > any comments on this? None will do that to “self” for a lot of users. You actually have to make a conscious effort to REMEMBER that it effects you in that way and work hard to look, seem, and be friendlier, OR you have to stop with the none 'cause ya can’t handle it. 🙄 Seriousness only works for those that THINK they’re above the norm … boring! :o ---
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2008, 6:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/seriousness-gets-no-love/8048/5 "2008-01-04T18:48:32Z")
> [@Genesis](#): > > it seems that even though i’m wearing none products (mx103, ammo) mixed with androstenol (cttm) i may be giving off a very strong and serious vibe. my friends always tells me that i look almost mean sometimes and it makes people afraid to approach me. unless i start most conversations and keep it going, they do not run themselves at all. even so, sometimes when i create the conversation and keep it going, my persona is actually very sarcastic and i make a lot of jokes, people may not seem me as friendly or may take my jokes offensively. How many sprays of each are you normally wearing when this occurs? I suspect that’s the MX103, and with your persona and sarcasm thrown in, it’s overpowering. Try toning it down a bit, or not wearing it at all and see if things don’t change. ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2008, 8:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/seriousness-gets-no-love/8048/6 "2008-01-04T20:13:34Z")
[Pheromones](https://a314.com/) in and of themselves don’t do much. Otherwise you could sniff the bottle and get all hot 'n bothered. Pheromones are however extremely context sensitive. Their success or failure is wholly dependent on your acting ability, i.e., controlling your persona. And, because pheromones amp up or enhance your words and actions, people tend to be unusually responsive to minute facial expressions, body language and vocal inflections. When I’m moned up on NPA I can send folks packing with one finch. So I’ve learned to keep my communication–body, face and words–in agreement. Whenever I slip up I can immediately see it in the reactions of my targets. They often think I don’t like them or disapprove. Perhaps true, but I didn’t intend to show it. Now, although the negative can be enhanced, once the get your body under control the positive can become huge. And that’s why we use these little smelly and expensive bottles of piss 'n sweat. ---
**Author:** ![sigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dec6dc/32.png) [@sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sigma)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2008, 12:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/seriousness-gets-no-love/8048/7 "2008-01-05T00:15:16Z")
> [@Genesis](#): > > first off, i apologize for making 2 threads, but they’re totally different topics so i didn’t want to combine them and confused people. > > it seems that even though i’m wearing none products (mx103, ammo) mixed with androstenol (cttm) i may be giving off a very strong and serious vibe. my friends always tells me that i look almost mean sometimes and it makes people afraid to approach me. unless i start most conversations and keep it going, they do not run themselves at all. even so, sometimes when i create the conversation and keep it going, my persona is actually very sarcastic and i make a lot of jokes, people may not seem me as friendly or may take my jokes offensively. > > any comments on this? AndrosteRone is probably more of a culprit here than androsteNone. androsterRone is known to have a very serious nature to it, and can be a little alienating when used in a light-hearted setting. MX103 (an A314 variant), and Ammo contain a generous amount of androsteRone, and I can see how mixing the two together could create a serious vibe. If I recall correctly, MX103 is based on the Mutant Batch of A314, which was noticeably ‘heavier’ than the classic variant. A314 Mutant was too serious for my tastes in most settings outside of work, although the classic version works well socially. The Beta-androstenol in CTTM 2 could also be contributing to the serious nature of the mix. Though beta-androstenol is a good pheromone for building rapport with others and can help lower social barriers, it can be very ‘deep’ and ‘serious’…this is especially true when beta-androstenol is used in conjunction with other serious pheromones like androsteRone and androsteNone. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2008, 12:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/seriousness-gets-no-love/8048/8 "2008-01-05T00:25:42Z")
> [@](#): > > Otherwise you could sniff the bottle and get all hot 'n bothered. Actually a bottle of TUTH will get me “Hot and bothered” and quite a few of my friends to. Then again the smell of my husbands pillow gets me hot and bothered to and reminds me of TUTH even though he never used it. I can bury my head in that pillow when he is away and sniff all day LOL Otherwise I agree with everything else gegogi said 😉 Great post Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2008, 12:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/seriousness-gets-no-love/8048/9 "2008-01-05T00:45:51Z")
I wish sniffing bottles got me hot ‘n bothered! I tried EoW many times to no avail. Even smeared it on my arm and practiced kissing it. Nuttin.’ If it did make nasy, I’d sure save a lot of time and money wasted on dates! ---
**Author:** ![Genesis](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/genesis/32/440_2.png) [@Genesis](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Genesis)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2008, 1:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/seriousness-gets-no-love/8048/10 "2008-01-05T01:12:02Z")
if beta nols is the culprit mixed with the androsteRONE prducts, would alpha nols be working better opposed to the betanols? ill try to notice my own actions, body language, tone of voice etc better and post the results, but because mx103 and ammo is the only source of none products i have, i’ll have to stick with them. any recommendations on buffers for them? ---
**Author:** ![renny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/renny/32/2104_2.png) [@renny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/renny)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2008, 1:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/seriousness-gets-no-love/8048/11 "2008-01-05T01:55:14Z")
Sigma is definitely on to something here. I have found that I can wear TUTH (-none)and IH (betanol)together to create a boistrous sort of atmosphere, while when I’m wearing IG (androsterone), IO (alphanol) is a much livelier foil. IG + IH seem much more serious. I can’t tell from your post are you getting this effect from CTTM, mx103, and ammo all together, or from CTTM +ammo as well as CTTM + mx103? If it’s all three together then try CTTM with each of the others separately and see what happens. ---
**Author:** ![Genesis](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/genesis/32/440_2.png) [@Genesis](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Genesis)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2008, 12:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/seriousness-gets-no-love/8048/12 "2008-01-06T00:46:02Z")
ammo and mx103 is my only source of none so i have to stick with them, but i’ll try experimenting with them alone again and double check the results. as for cttm, which androstenols is in it? alpha? beta?. i’ve read from tacitus on older posts that alpha nols can severely help out the seriousness factor for a person, just wanted to see if this would true in helping me use it as a buffer ---
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2008, 1:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/seriousness-gets-no-love/8048/13 "2008-01-06T01:27:06Z")
> [@Genesis](#): > > as for cttm, which androstenols is in it? alpha? beta?. CTTM is equal parts A and B Nols ---
**Author:** ![Genesis](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/genesis/32/440_2.png) [@Genesis](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Genesis)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2008, 10:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/seriousness-gets-no-love/8048/14 "2008-01-06T10:26:42Z")
> [@mark-in-dallas](#): > > CTTM is equal parts A and B Nols thanks mark but so is the rumor about alpha nols giving a more friendly vibe true as well? ---
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2008, 5:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/seriousness-gets-no-love/8048/15 "2008-01-06T17:58:24Z")
> [@Genesis](#): > > thanks mark > > but so is the rumor about alpha nols giving a more friendly vibe true as well? Sorry, I can’t answer that question. I have not tested each individually yet. ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2008, 6:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/seriousness-gets-no-love/8048/16 "2008-01-06T18:12:53Z")
I’ve used chemset versions of both alpha and beta Androstenol extensively and while both are ultimately in the same ball park, the alpha version is more edgy, verbal and social. If you want loose lips and verbage, it does the job and good. So yeah, I’d call alpha Androstenol more friendly. I also consider it the most truly essential pheromone. I could probably live without most other pheromones, but alpha Androstenol has proven useful in just about any situation for me. You really can’t go wrong with increased communication and friendliness. Okay, there are a few, err, talkitive women I might avoid wearing alpha Androstenol around. The friendly factor isn’t merely a rumor. It’s been a well known characteristic for years: [http://pherolibrary.com/human-pheromones/androstenol.htm](http://pherolibrary.com/human-pheromones/androstenol.htm) ---
**Author:** ![Genesis](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/genesis/32/440_2.png) [@Genesis](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Genesis)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2008, 12:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/seriousness-gets-no-love/8048/17 "2008-01-07T12:07:35Z")
great information. i’ll be trying heavy dosages of alpha nols when it comes back and is available. ---
**Author:** ![sigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dec6dc/32.png) [@sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sigma)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2008, 5:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/seriousness-gets-no-love/8048/18 "2008-01-12T05:56:37Z")
> [@Gegogi](#): > > I’ve used chemset versions of both alpha and beta Androstenol extensively and while both are ultimately in the same ball park, the alpha version is more edgy, verbal and social. If you want loose lips and verbage, it does the job and good. So yeah, I’d call alpha Androstenol more friendly. I also consider it the most truly essential pheromone. I could probably live without most other pheromones, but alpha Androstenol has proven useful in just about any situation for me. You really can’t go wrong with increased communication and friendliness. > > Okay, there are a few, err, talkitive women I might avoid wearing alpha Androstenol around. > > The friendly factor isn’t merely a rumor. It’s been a well known characteristic for years: > > [http://pherolibrary.com/human-pheromones/androstenol.htm](http://pherolibrary.com/human-pheromones/androstenol.htm) I agree. Alpha-nol is probably the single most useful, most versatile [pheromone](https://a314.com/) out there.