# Sex -Up the EST **URL:** \ **Category:** Women's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [January 15, 2009, 4:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/sex-up-the-est/24921 "2009-01-15T16:15:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2009, 4:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/sex-up-the-est/24921/1 "2009-01-15T16:15:43Z")
i would like to hear both genders speak about what you personally mix with EST to sexx it up… in what dosages? in what atmosphere? how high can we go with EST before it is simply redundant? ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2009, 7:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/sex-up-the-est/24921/2 "2009-01-17T07:49:55Z")
> [@Lor](#): > > i would like to hear both genders speak about what you personally mix with EST to sexx it up… > > in what dosages? > > in what atmosphere? > > how high can we go with EST before it is simply redundant? Est: Between 60-75 mcg is uber effective. I think more is a waste. I use several different things to sex up Est: Cops! - A must have with Est. P80 - awesome for giving that little bit of aggressive edge. 2.5-20.0 mcg [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) - frustrates us both, but with sex it adds more restrained aggressiveness. 0.5 - 3.0 mcg Androstenone: between 2.5-7.5 mcg (I have also used Edge Gel/W - small amount, and TUTH - 5.0 mcg) TAC - makes those cuddles and soft kisses more physically thrilling and pleasurable, taking that receptive, bonding Est to more sexual realms. ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2009, 3:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/sex-up-the-est/24921/3 "2009-01-17T15:50:17Z")
thnx diane. i was really wondering if cops did anything for EST or if the EST smothered anything sexual. i thought the TAC and P80 were more of a masculine feel, but i havent used them alot (especially for these particular purposes) so thats an idea. ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2009, 7:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/sex-up-the-est/24921/4 "2009-01-17T19:24:59Z")
> [@Lor](#): > > thnx diane. > i was really wondering if cops did anything for EST or if the EST smothered anything sexual. > > i thought the TAC and P80 were more of a masculine feel, > but i havent used them alot (especially for these particular purposes) so thats an idea. P80 is definitely masculine. I only wear it with Meo-Est, Est, Beta-Androstenol, TAF, P102, and P103. In that mix it is still a bit masculine, but the physical sensations are so ramped up with it… it is almost indescribable. TAC is just pure physical. I don’t feel masculine with it at all… none of the aggressiveness I feel with [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/), P80 and androstenone. And it does something really special with muscle tension that is just a really good bonus. It is one of my favorites. Diane ---
**Author:** ![immaculate\_concepts](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/immaculate_concepts/32/2445_2.png) [@immaculate\_concepts](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/immaculate_concepts)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2009, 8:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/sex-up-the-est/24921/5 "2009-01-17T20:09:05Z")
Could you tell me where you got your Est? I looked on the androtics store and its out of stock, and I’m looking for somewhere to buy it from.. dying to try it! ☹ ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2009, 8:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/sex-up-the-est/24921/6 "2009-01-17T20:13:47Z")
> [@immaculate\_concepts](#): > > Could you tell me where you got your Est? I looked on the androtics store and its out of stock, and I’m looking for somewhere to buy it from.. dying to try it! ☹ There are 12 available in the 30.0 mL 50.0 mcg/spray in the store right now. [ExperiMone™ Pheromone Estratetraenol :: ExperiMone™ Series :: Androtics Direct/SmartMones](https://phera.com/) Diane ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2009, 11:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/sex-up-the-est/24921/7 "2009-01-17T23:01:15Z")
i guess my only problem now is getting a hold of good quality cops. i have been journaling about my work situation and using EST in different combinations to produce a nice and lucrative environment . i guess im enjoying it enough to want to use it at home, but i dont want any flames getting smothered by it. i was thinking maybe P79 as well, and possibly P86. i will be experimenting with Diane’s advice putatives as well. bottom line is cops are unfortunately necessary. heard the newest batch of EoW sucks, but i dont know that first hand. thinking of trying it? ---
**Author:** ![remmy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/remmy/32/2451_2.png) [@remmy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/remmy)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2009, 1:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/sex-up-the-est/24921/8 "2009-01-18T01:23:45Z")
hi the newest cop does certainly suck ☹ it smells almost floral and never effective. im a fertile 23 (22 when i used it 😉 ) yo girl, but i still have to use like 10 drops to get the same effects. i really wouldnt recommend buying it ☹ i was thinking of letting it sit for awhile and maybe that might help with the situation.. i still have a bit of the old eow left fortunately ---
**Author:** ![msselva](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/msselva/32/943_2.png) [@msselva](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/msselva)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2009, 1:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/sex-up-the-est/24921/9 "2009-01-18T01:47:22Z")
> [@Lor](#): > > heard the newest batch of EoW sucks, but i dont know that first hand. > thinking of trying it? Aww, Lor, don’t waste your money really. I’m so pissed about it actually, it’s really bad, they’ve diluted it alot, and I could tell a difference from my first eow to the last! My first eow: smelled like rotten cheese + nasty butt (but it worked super well) – I only needed to use 2-4 drops, I’m younger than you, pretend you needed like 10-12drops? My 2nd bottle of eow (I got a few monthes ago): smells like rotten grape juice (worked okay but had to use more), I had to use like 6-8ish drops, don’t remember exactly, but I definately had to use 2X more. My last bottle of eow (which I got a month after I ordered my 2nd bottle): smelled like grape flavoured cough syrup. It dried down completely, didn’t smell bad at all. But I had to use like 16-18 drops to get the similar reactions like my first eow. Mom (she’s 40) wanted to use it, so I was like I dunno lady, maybe you’re going to need like 6 dropper fulls or something ☹ I’d suggest you to wait for cops from androtics. My patience is killing me, but what to do, good things come last lol ---
**Author:** ![ntk23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/65b543/32.png) [@ntk23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ntk23)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2009, 3:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/sex-up-the-est/24921/10 "2009-01-18T03:52:20Z")
I would very much like to get EST and [Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/) in my next order and try mixing those two for a laugh/experiment. I wonder if they’d a) cancel each other out or b) work orthogonally in some strange manner or c) something else very weird What’s the general consensus on how long an application of EST lasts for, BTW? ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2009, 4:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/sex-up-the-est/24921/11 "2009-01-18T04:46:46Z")
> [@ntk23](#): > > I would very much like to get EST and Instant Jerk in my next order and try mixing those two for a laugh/experiment. I wonder if they’d > a) cancel each other out or > b) work orthogonally in some strange manner or > c) something else very weird > > What’s the general consensus on how long an application of EST lasts for, BTW? A long time… 10-12 hours. I don’t know if that is the [pheromone](https://a314.com/) or the effects that last so long. In my situation, I can’t be sure. Diane ---
**Author:** ![diane999](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/diane999/32/1110_2.png) [@diane999](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/diane999)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2009, 4:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/sex-up-the-est/24921/12 "2009-01-18T04:57:05Z")
> [@Lor](#): > > i was really wondering if cops did anything for EST or if the EST smothered anything sexual. The short answer is yes. Cops will sex up Est. I can hardly wait until Androtics finally releases their new cops. There really is no good alternative right now. W-9 smells much more natural than EOW, but they didn’t do anything to the formula to make it sticky, so it lasts approximately 1/20th of a second and then it is gone. I’m sure it is a lot less toxic than the old EOW was, but if it doesn’t stick around long enough for anyone to smell it, what good is it anyway? Mixing DPG and/or Artisan’s Alcohol in with W-9 makes it stick around enough to be effective, at least for a while, but you still need to use a lot more of it. So, it really isn’t a good buy. Luckily, according to Tish, Androtics is soon to release their formula and all us ladies can be happy again. Diane ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2009, 2:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/sex-up-the-est/24921/13 "2009-01-19T14:39:23Z")
soon is relative. sorry, but i havent had my coffee yet and its been a year that new cops were a topic ☹ i will have to try something while waiting. i was thinking since the newest batch of EoW doesnt behave correctly, maybe the oil version would. heard its both horrible to smell and then it works great LOL. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2009, 3:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/sex-up-the-est/24921/14 "2009-01-19T15:31:36Z")
> [@](#): > > i was thinking since the newest batch of EoW doesnt behave correctly, maybe the oil version would. > > heard its both horrible to smell and then it works great LOL. The oil version is not bad but still weaker then the origonal version we played with a year or so ago. It does smell god awful but hell there cops its to be expected LOL. I am sure the crew over there filled you in on it among other things. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2009, 3:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/sex-up-the-est/24921/15 "2009-01-19T15:45:28Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > The oil version is not bad but still weaker then the origonal version we played with a year or so ago. It does smell god awful but hell there cops its to be expected LOL. > > I am sure the crew over there filled you in on it among other things. > > Tisha actually, i based a feel for it on read-posts about the stuff but heard about it first _here_. noone has filled me in on anything yet as i basically have to experience something to _really_ believe it. people who know me dont even try 😉 i notice alot of people seem to have similar experiences after first inquiring what something experimental will do. like EST for instance, everyone says they get “fawned” over, and while i find the stuff invaluable in other ways, i **didnt** even get A LITTLE of that 😠. so for me i am interested in others experiences for the purpose of avoiding anxiety on my little ones at home, but i never _assume_ i will have the same reaction, because so far that isnt always true. and besides Tisha, any cops is better than no cops,right? i have been copless for almost a year, please let that be true …😃 ---
**Author:** ![msselva](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/msselva/32/943_2.png) [@msselva](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/msselva)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2009, 6:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/sex-up-the-est/24921/16 "2009-01-19T18:08:20Z")
Hey Lor! Have you tried p86+p83+est+mx135? Awesome combo! Tried it today at school and all the guys were taking double looks at me. Guys who walked infront of me even turned around to see me! 😮 I used 150mcg of est though. Self effects: none so far. Tommorrow, I’ll test est alone. ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2009, 6:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/sex-up-the-est/24921/17 "2009-01-19T18:17:27Z")
> [@msselva](#): > > Hey Lor! > > Have you tried p86+p83+est+mx135? > > Awesome combo! Tried it today at school and all the guys were taking double looks at me. Guys who walked infront of me even turned around to see me! 😮 > > I used 150mcg of est though. > > Self effects: none so far. > > Tommorrow, I’ll test est alone. it just might be that your totally acclimated to specific mixes. i have tried MX135 with P86 and 100 mu EST, but didnt think to add the [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/). i have it so i might give it a go. did my P86 alone experiment. it really needs a buddy to work with me, like adding it to a mix 😕 ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2009, 6:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/sex-up-the-est/24921/18 "2009-01-19T18:43:12Z")
> [@](#): > > i notice alot of people seem to have similar experiences after first inquiring what something experimental will do. True, I notice it to which is why I dont post my notes much on the putatives. Same with Tacitus and a few others I think. There are a few putatives that I just dont get anything others have gotten with them. Its best to look for the pattern in all the reports though. Usually there is one or two emotions or reaction that keeps repeating itself for everyone or at least a large percentage of people testing. Sometimes the emotion is just similar or related to another feeling. If you chart peoples reports and reactions you can see it easier. Still they need a heck of alot more feedback the they have been getting. Whoops that reminds me of another task I have to do LOL > [@](#): > > like EST for instance, everyone says they get “fawned” over, and while i find the stuff invaluable in other ways, i **didnt** even get A LITTLE of that 😠. I find for myself the longer I use a experimone like EST or one of the putatives the more nuances show themselves over time. My intial impression of EST is still basically the same but as my enviroment changes or situation so does the vibe. I guess that is normal though. > [@](#): > > and besides Tisha, any cops is better than no cops,right? > i have been copless for almost a year, please let that be true … Of course they are, I have both the oil version and the origonal myself. I prefer the old EOW but I will take what I cant get at this point. Cops are not easy to come by compared to other mones. I like BI which you can get the same place as the oil one better though. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![msselva](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/msselva/32/943_2.png) [@msselva](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/msselva)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2009, 7:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/sex-up-the-est/24921/19 "2009-01-19T19:30:27Z")
> [@Lor](#): > > it just might be that your totally acclimated to specific mixes. > > i have tried MX135 with P86 and 100 mu EST, > > but didnt think to add the P83. > > i have it so i might give it a go. > > did my P86 alone experiment. > it really needs a buddy to work with me, like adding it to a mix 😕 do try p83, it gives off this flirty/sexy edge. However, with est, people seemed to be more caring about me. I asked my teacher a question (I was pretty worried about my given topic), and he did stuff like pat my back, pat my arms and my head…chuckle out loud (and this guy is a grumpy ass) but then I’m not sure if he’s normally touchy, a moody person or if it was just plain coincidence, or if it was est and p83 working their magic. So I’ll need to use it more to see if the results are consistent. Yea, I felt like a dog though. But hey if good marks drop in, I’m not complaining 😃 I like p86 so far though, it definately improved my self esteem. Today morning, I felt so pretty! ---
**Author:** ![msselva](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/msselva/32/943_2.png) [@msselva](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/msselva)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2009, 7:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/sex-up-the-est/24921/20 "2009-01-19T19:32:19Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Of course they are, I have both the oil version and the origonal myself. I prefer the old EOW but I will take what I cant get at this point. Cops are not easy to come by compared to other mones. I like BI which you can get the same place as the oil one better though. you have the oil version of eow hmm. What did you use to cover it, bath&body goddess? 😃 I bet you had to use a very strong/thick scented perfume. I tried pink sugar but failed _sigh_ [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/sex-up-the-est/24921.md?page=2)